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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87

    yeah good idea..... Illget some... but honestly I really dont mind... its kinda awsome to confuse the heck outa my gf. cause I can tell her no for sex and she gets this dumb founded look on her face. lol. pay back!!!
    Hahaha I dunno I get pissed off if I can't perform, but I guess I never thought of it that way. Libido and ed issues won't really go away tell you take the caber, that's what kind of worried me about running 19nors is all the horror stories where peoples **** doesn't work normal ever again. Adding caber to the equation makes it a non issue.
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    Caber is awesome. There has been some really happy women and impressed from the use of caber..... a true performance enhancing drug lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave
    Caber is awesome. There has been some really happy women and impressed from the use of caber..... a true performance enhancing drug lol
    yeah ill getsome. I'sont want it to not work completely
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    I have some thoughts. One, I don't think you will need a GH product alongside the GHRP/GHRH combo. I've been researching different studies and have seen that one single dose of GHRP-6 can amount to 1.4 to 1.8iu of GH. Taken 3 times per day you get 5+ iu's equivalence. I'm inclined to believe this as well since I have been taking CJC-1295 (the original long half-life) w/ GHRP-6 and Ipamorelin...I've noticed outstanding results...and I'm only on day 10 or so.

    Another thing - CJC-1295 No DAC is aka Mod GRF 1-29, which only has a half-life of 30 minutes in the bloodstream. It doesn't build up in your system. CJC-1295 does build up since it's half-life is 3 days or so; it is also more expensive. Since you have GRF 1-29, you always have to take it w/ GHRP and make sure one of those two or three doses is at bedtime since this is the most effective time for GH release. I just couldn't imagine a silly "GH Booster" that these supp companies offer to actually make a difference. Safe your money and buy more CJC/GHRP, imo. From what I researched, GHRP/GHRH combo taken 3 times per day is about as effective as 20+ iu of exogenous GH every week. It's about as good as 3-4iu's of GH ED, basically. I can believe it too considering the sleep enhancement, strength gains, weight gain, appetite increase, painless joints and pumps that I experience both in and out of the gym.

    However, the price is obviously a bit contrasting between the two! I can get away with $100/month for peptide combo's and it cost upward of $250/month for generic, out of country GH and about $1000+/month for legit, pharma-grade GH @ 4 iu's per day. Clearly, even if the results only amounted to half as good as exogenous GH, it still remains worth the purchase and use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion
    I have some thoughts. One, I don't think you will need a GH product alongside the GHRP/GHRH combo. I've been researching different studies and have seen that one single dose of GHRP-6 can amount to 1.4 to 1.8iu of GH. Taken 3 times per day you get 5+ iu's equivalence. I'm inclined to believe this as well since I have been taking CJC-1295 (the original long half-life) w/ GHRP-6 and Ipamorelin...I've noticed outstanding results...and I'm only on day 10 or so.

    Another thing - CJC-1295 No DAC is aka Mod GRF 1-29, which only has a half-life of 30 minutes in the bloodstream. It doesn't build up in your system. CJC-1295 does build up since it's half-life is 3 days or so; it is also more expensive. Since you have GRF 1-29, you always have to take it w/ GHRP and make sure one of those two or three doses is at bedtime since this is the most effective time for GH release. I just couldn't imagine a silly "GH Booster" that these supp companies offer to actually make a difference. Safe your money and buy more CJC/GHRP, imo. From what I researched, GHRP/GHRH combo taken 3 times per day is about as effective as 20+ iu of exogenous GH every week. It's about as good as 3-4iu's of GH ED, basically. I can believe it too considering the sleep enhancement, strength gains, weight gain, appetite increase, painless joints and pumps that I experience both in and out of the gym.

    However, the price is obviously a bit contrasting between the two! I can get away with $100/month for peptide combo's and it cost upward of $250/month for generic, out of country GH and about $1000+/month for legit, pharma-grade GH @ 4 iu's per day. Clearly, even if the results only amounted to half as good as exogenous GH, it still remains worth the purchase and use.
    exactly. but some convos on this forum talked about how much stronger they hit using gh boosters with the peptides. but all the equivalencies on comparing to hgh totally agree. the main point of my 1-29 is at 40 mcg is to see how well this stuff can work through even at low doses. and maybe with some help of the gh booster aka bulk 1 carboxy. I do agree two to three shots daily in conjunction with ghrp and ghrh. all in one slin actually. just something im trying thanks for coming in fueled! the benefits are beautiful on peps. I ran it last time 100mcg on both and everything was wonderful, sleep joint health skin, pumps. etc. im trying to reach that by making it cheaper.
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    during this week at work I will be focusing on low to mid carb level. dont want to go to low since my job has a high activity level. im up to 90 mg on the x tren. feeling good. body is hard, and very agressive.... im avoiding my bosses. lol.

    but starting to notice my sleeping patterns are getting better. had some deep dreaming last night. hunger is increasing. pumps are getting better also. yesterday while wotking out my shoulders started cramping up. missed out on some of water intake could of been it. but streangth is up was proud on some heavy lifting, lifted 85 db on bench press 4x10,8,6,4 the next db was 100s dont think I could do but if they would of had 90s I would of tried em.
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    Are you doing 100mcg ghrp and cjc 2-3x/day? I read in one of dats post that there's a greater pulse with a 20 or 40mcg dose of ghrp with 100mcg cjc, but I've never been able to verify that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    Are you doing 100mcg ghrp and cjc 2-3x/day? I read in one of dats post that there's a greater pulse with a 20 or 40mcg dose of ghrp with 100mcg cjc, but I've never been able to verify that.
    Correct. But even better results can be seen with saturation point on BOTH GHRP and GHRH which in his case is about 85mcg. They work independently from one another. GHRP is a ghrelin mimicker that by-passes Somatotropin (the stuff that inhibits GHRH from secreting GH). GHRH simply adds a greater amount of "fuel" to work with for GH release but doesn't actually cause a pulse. It will only make sure that each normal pulse that your body has will be a larger dose of GH. Combine the two and each dose of GHRP/GHRH combo will have similar effects to a 2iu GH shot. However, this is a pulse that lasts 3 hours instead of pure exogenous GH that lingers for 8hrs or longer. Their is a a few studies that datbtrue compiled together and converted all measurements to ng/mL or something like that and found that taking GHRP/GHRH 3 times a day or more is actually comparable to pinning GH at 3-6iu/day but without the side effect of suppression. Given how great I feel when on this stuff, I'm inclined to believe so too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion

    Correct. But even better results can be seen with saturation point on BOTH GHRP and GHRH which in his case is about 85mcg. They work independently from one another. GHRP is a ghrelin mimicker that by-passes Somatotropin (the stuff that inhibits GHRH from secreting GH). GHRH simply adds a greater amount of "fuel" to work with for GH release but doesn't actually cause a pulse. It will only make sure that each normal pulse that your body has will be a larger dose of GH. Combine the two and each dose of GHRP/GHRH combo will have similar effects to a 2iu GH shot. However, this is a pulse that lasts 3 hours instead of pure exogenous GH that lingers for 8hrs or longer. Their is a a few studies that datbtrue compiled together and converted all measurements to ng/mL or something like that and found that taking GHRP/GHRH 3 times a day or more is actually comparable to pinning GH at 3-6iu/day but without the side effect of suppression. Given how great I feel when on this stuff, I'm inclined to believe so too.
    yeah and when I did 3 times daily with 100 mcg of each. it was amazing. euphoric.
    but the whole point is to see results of low dose cjc. ill be cranking it up in two weeks. if im not satisfied I will be cranking it back up to 100 on each.
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    Maybe I misinterpreted the info, but I thought ghrp solo 3x a day was comparable to that figure and the addition of cjc was an even greater amount of gh. But that's what I'm saying there was a list of equivalent exogenous gh numbers that said with cjc at saturation and ghrp at a quarter or a third that the pulse was actually greater than with ghrp at saturation. Wasn't able to verify that though. But I feel great on ghrp without cjc, so I'm getting kinda excited about the idea of throwing cjc in.
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    oh yeah man its beautiful. just watch out for anxiety. I have noticed a little increase.
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    What I read was that GHRP-6 @ 1mcg/kg was equivalent to 1.4-1.8iu of GH injection. So doing that three times per day (since GHRP is in and out in 3 hours time) we can make an assumption of something like 4.2-5.4iu of GH is comparable to GHRP-6 3 times per day.

    With CJC in the picture, all we know is each injection can go upwards of 2iu/day. For realistic assumptions sake, I'd say we could expect a 4-8iu/day effect from the GHRP/GHRH combo - and that number greatly depends on genetics, age and ability of one's pituitary gland to dish out that kind of GH. Either way, I'm doing it because I can feel and see the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion
    What I read was that GHRP-6 @ 1mcg/kg was equivalent to 1.4-1.8iu of GH injection. So doing that three times per day (since GHRP is in and out in 3 hours time) we can make an assumption of something like 4.2-5.4iu of GH is comparable to GHRP-6 3 times per day.

    With CJC in the picture, all we know is each injection can go upwards of 2iu/day. For realistic assumptions sake, I'd say we could expect a 4-8iu/day effect from the GHRP/GHRH combo - and that number greatly depends on genetics, age and ability of one's pituitary gland to dish out that kind of GH. Either way, I'm doing it because I can feel and see the difference.
    That's a valid assumption man. If you see results and no negative sides then may as well. Is it possible to get lab work done to see what the effect is? When would you dose around the test to get the most accurate result? About an hour or 2 before?
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    I dont know. I need someone like PA to give advice or instruction on performing this. I'm getting a full male hormone panel done in a few weeks to verify t-levels, thyroid health, cholesterol and IGF-1 levels...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion
    I dont know. I need someone like PA to give advice or instruction on performing this. I'm getting a full male hormone panel done in a few weeks to verify t-levels, thyroid health, cholesterol and IGF-1 levels...
    dat b has the research so I thought? yeah I wanna get my hormone level done too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion
    What I read was that GHRP-6 @ 1mcg/kg was equivalent to 1.4-1.8iu of GH injection. So doing that three times per day (since GHRP is in and out in 3 hours time) we can make an assumption of something like 4.2-5.4iu of GH is comparable to GHRP-6 3 times per day.

    With CJC in the picture, all we know is each injection can go upwards of 2iu/day. For realistic assumptions sake, I'd say we could expect a 4-8iu/day effect from the GHRP/GHRH combo - and that number greatly depends on genetics, age and ability of one's pituitary gland to dish out that kind of GH. Either way, I'm doing it because I can feel and see the difference.
    yes this is my understanding also.. I understood this before I was booted from dats website lol. and with that manfy units of gh going through. why wouldnt you take this stuff! lol I def would love to get my hans on some.generic hgh. just to compare..... some peopls stack somotrop w/ cjc. dont know the results though.
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    I dont have a mirror at my work so I cant really see my results.... Its always a surprise when I come back home off the boats. but I train late on these weeks at my docks gym. have back today, and will do some lunge challenge .

    lunge challenge _ my goal is to be able to do lunges 200 yrds there and back with 45s. right now im doing 100 yrds. I realized its alot of endurance lol. im recovering from knee injury and they are almost no pain at all unless I twist awkwardly.... I want my legs back so well see!

    diet has been high fat and low carbs at work. had home cooked wings today. celery, and carrots. salad last night with grilled chicken and two protein shakes.
    still pinning twice a day on peps.... week three on tren... hard as a rock!
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    workout was ok. I made the mistake of eating chicken breast and half a cucumber.... it took forever to digest. so I justt stuck ro simple lifts. if I was to do lunges I would of hurled lol
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    not gaining any real weight. def getting bigger in size though. im still 180. ill bust out measurements and getting real close to pct. one more week. cycle has been fun but the whole goal is to try to keep all gains. which I guess would be judged through measurements.
    the peptides are supposed to put out insilin which then matures new muscle. so it should be permanent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87
    workout was ok. I made the mistake of eating chicken breast and half a cucumber.... it took forever to digest. so I justt stuck ro simple lifts. if I was to do lunges I would of hurled lol
    Haha I hear you there, I always have stuff in my stomach when I workout and frequently feels like its about to come up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87
    not gaining any real weight. def getting bigger in size though. im still 180. ill bust out measurements and getting real close to pct. one more week. cycle has been fun but the whole goal is to try to keep all gains. which I guess would be judged through measurements.
    the peptides are supposed to put out insilin which then matures new muscle. so it should be permanent.
    Yup, I been stuck at 195 for like a week, but I look bigger too. Pct should be pretty smooth with the peptides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smash1904

    Yup, I been stuck at 195 for like a week, but I look bigger too. Pct should be pretty smooth with the peptides.
    im thinkin so to. I still gotta get some lean extreme. anti cortisol
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    Quote Originally Posted by smash1904

    Haha I hear you there, I always have stuff in my stomach when I workout and frequently feels like its about to come up.
    yeah man it was nothing heavy just chicken grilled and fresh cucumber... sat like a rock!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    Yup, I been stuck at 195 for like a week, but I look bigger too. Pct should be pretty smooth with the peptides.
    This has been the case for me as well. I'm eating well, looking much leaner (on day 15 or so now) and strength is still climbing even in PCT but the scale still reads relatively the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion

    This has been the case for me as well. I'm eating well, looking much leaner (on day 15 or so now) and strength is still climbing even in PCT but the scale still reads relatively the same.
    yeH calories are there.... I wonder what will push past that? is it genetics? if so arent igf and hgh/peptides supposed to change genetics?
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    well, I don't think so. Consider peptides as reaching the 100% genetic potential rather than actually pressing you passed your genetics. The reason I say that is because no matter how much GHRP/GHRH you pump into your body, the pituitary is only gonna do what the pituitary is able to do. Some people might be able to pump out 10iu's worth of GH per day on peptides while others may only be able to generate 2-3 iu's..

    GHRP/GHRH work in an endogenous fashion rather than exogenous. I believe if taken with steroids you could reach size, strength and leanness that your body never would have achieved without it BUT that doesn't mean that your DNA has been "altered". It just means that you've effectively approached that 100% potential of your DNA. For whatever reason, as we age our pituitary starts reducing GH production along with Testosterone, etc etc. So far, TRT has been the obvious answer for most men (and women) who want to be stronger, leaner and have a greater ability to heal muscle and bone injuries as well. I see GH peptides as the solution to GH deficiencies in the near future for this same demographic currently utilizing TRT. Granted, it's just an attempt at living forever but also super healthy like you were at 18. it won't work but in the end it will make us American's freakin huge and strong and confident - even at 60+ ages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion
    well, I don't think so. Consider peptides as reaching the 100% genetic potential rather than actually pressing you passed your genetics. The reason I say that is because no matter how much GHRP/GHRH you pump into your body, the pituitary is only gonna do what the pituitary is able to do. Some people might be able to pump out 10iu's worth of GH per day on peptides while others may only be able to generate 2-3 iu's..

    GHRP/GHRH work in an endogenous fashion rather than exogenous. I believe if taken with steroids you could reach size, strength and leanness that your body never would have achieved without it BUT that doesn't mean that your DNA has been "altered". It just means that you've effectively approached that 100% potential of your DNA. For whatever reason, as we age our pituitary starts reducing GH production along with Testosterone, etc etc. So far, TRT has been the obvious answer for most men (and women) who want to be stronger, leaner and have a greater ability to heal muscle and bone injuries as well. I see GH peptides as the solution to GH deficiencies in the near future for this same demographic currently utilizing TRT. Granted, it's just an attempt at living forever but also super healthy like you were at 18. it won't work but in the end it will make us American's freakin huge and strong and confident - even at 60+ ages.
    yeH this is what I thought too... im a family line of string beans.... i think im the biggest and baddest of my family line lol. igf might be the addition. I wanna be 200 dangit! & not fat lol
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    maybe even test and tren a..... hardcore stack.... im afraid of tren a though.... heard you feel like pure crap....
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    im sry I have been slacking on the meal pictures ill post one tonight of my faMous hobo spaghetti!
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    ah I couldnt wait. this is my hobo spaghetti, has everything in it. no pasta yet. just ground beef, 3 lbs worth. zuchini, squash, onion, bellpepper, three whole tomatoes, can of fire roasted tomatoes, can of corn, mushrooms, and ground jimmy dean sausage hott!

    ill be eating it without noodles. so I can keep my carbs low. cant wait!!! this stuff makes awsome soup too!

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    ^^^ looks good man.

    Regarding Tren, I'd see what you can do with just different variations of Test and other weaker, but quality androgens like Masteron, EQ, Deca, atc. Personally, my regime is now just Test, Mast and SD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion
    ^^^ looks good man.

    Regarding Tren, I'd see what you can do with just different variations of Test and other weaker, but quality androgens like Masteron, EQ, Deca, atc. Personally, my regime is now just Test, Mast and SD.
    masteron I have heard very nice things about. I loved how test e made me feel. its been a while since ive ran aas. cant wait to get some... but def a while from now.
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    Keep the food pic's coming Madd. Loven em
    TrenA hurt more than prop. Never got sick. Just hurt and got ANGRY strenght.
    Like you log man
    Peps(Imp+1-29 for me 300mg each ED) Is the only way i can truly keep strenght+weight in pct and after. Gotta love em.
    FYI GWP is havn a great 30off this wkend code is 30
    30% off total order anything in the store I Fin stocked up Wish they made 5mg 1-29 also
    Good luck keep shuvelin the food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neoamerican View Post
    Keep the food pic's coming Madd. Loven em
    TrenA hurt more than prop. Never got sick. Just hurt and got ANGRY strenght.
    Like you log man
    Peps(Imp+1-29 for me 300mg each ED) Is the only way i can truly keep strenght+weight in pct and after. Gotta love em.
    FYI GWP is havn a great 30off this wkend code is 30
    30% off total order anything in the store I Fin stocked up Wish they made 5mg 1-29 also
    Good luck keep shuvelin the food.
    You know, I'm having awesome luck keeping my gains and strength in PCT as well. I contribute it solely to peptides too since it's the only thing that has changed this cycle versus the previous ones...
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87

    yeH this is what I thought too... im a family line of string beans.... i think im the biggest and baddest of my family line lol. igf might be the addition. I wanna be 200 dangit! & not fat lol
    Ya my goals 205 cause that's the weight for my height where I'm obese... But ya I'm same, there isn't anyone in my family with any real size or goes to the gym real seriously aside from me, my mom asked me if I was on cycle last time she saw me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87
    maybe even test and tren a..... hardcore stack.... im afraid of tren a though.... heard you feel like pure crap....
    Ya I've heard that too about tren, like flu like sides, but I've also heard the stuff is amazing. Like if you can handle the sides, it'll be your favorite. Doesn't tren e vs tren a make a huge difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87
    ah I couldnt wait. this is my hobo spaghetti, has everything in it. no pasta yet. just ground beef, 3 lbs worth. zuchini, squash, onion, bellpepper, three whole tomatoes, can of fire roasted tomatoes, can of corn, mushrooms, and ground jimmy dean sausage hott!

    ill be eating it without noodles. so I can keep my carbs low. cant wait!!! this stuff makes awsome soup too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion
    ^^^ looks good man.

    Regarding Tren, I'd see what you can do with just different variations of Test and other weaker, but quality androgens like Masteron, EQ, Deca, atc. Personally, my regime is now just Test, Mast and SD.
    Ya I'm loving deca test, and I've wanted to get my hands on some masteron, or primo sounds good. I almost ran eq this cycle, buy went with deca after weighing the option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion

    You know, I'm having awesome luck keeping my gains and strength in PCT as well. I contribute it solely to peptides too since it's the only thing that has changed this cycle versus the previous ones...
    Yup peptides in pct are a must, for sure. I mean aside from helping maintain, I just felt grrat, which was a first for pct.
  

  
 

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