Sub-Q Ipamorelin for my ligaments/tendons - Good enough on its own?

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    Sub-Q Ipamorelin for my ligaments/tendons - Good enough on its own?


    Hello AnabolicMinds.com people,

    I've been browsing around here on and off for a while. I'd like to say hello, thanks for having me, and I'll try and get right to it.

    I have some issues with some of my joints, to varying degrees (hypermobility, laxity, pain). My shoulders, wrists and knees in particular, and others to lesser degrees. I also have what is likely "runners knee".

    I also have diagnosed Fibromyalgia.

    Due to all this, I can't really weight-train without risking injury to my joints; but I keep up a considerably good physique (considering my current circumstance) with isometric and visualized resistance training. Gotta do what I can.

    Sometimes, the pain/discomfort/laxity in my joints gets worse. I've tried damn near every supplement on the health food store shelves. I've tried the expensive proteolytic enzymes (in fact, I'm giving Wobenzym another go right now!). I've taken plenty of Cissus, fish oils, MSM, whatever else.

    Such things may help me to a degree, but I think the biggest issue with me is that my ligaments/tendons need to be stronger and healthier.

    I once had prolotherapy done in a number of my joints. It was painful and very expensive. I think it helped tighten things up...for a while. I can't say the benefits lasted for two years or anything.

    I've been reading about the beneficial effects of HGH on connective tissues like ligaments and tendons and thought "Wow! Why the hell haven't I tried this before!"

    Now, I don't think I can afford HGH. I first considered GHRP-6, but the possible effects on cortisol (which for me is, when I got tested, quite high), and prolactin (mild though they may be) kind of put me off.

    So what about subcutaneous injections of Ipamorelin? Sure, it's more expensive than GHRP-6, but Russianstar seems to rate it well, and many others, too, as far as having HGH releasing effects without the prolactin/cortisol effects of GhRP-6. Oh, or the potentially massive hunger-inducing effects.

    I find the concept of injecting Ipamorelin into the joint fascinating - and ****-scary. I wouldn't do this myself. If I could find a qualified prolotherapy doc. to do it, I'd totally go for it, but I don't know if anyone would be game for that.

    So, I was thinking, 100 to 200 mcg per day of Ipamorelin, taken subcutaneously. Would this (in your opinions) be sufficient to improve the quality/strength/tightness of my connective tissues - especially if combined with collagen powder or other joint-supplements?

    Or what about taking it sub-q, while getting another round of prolotherapy, to really encourage collagen synthesis in the areas stimulated by the prolo?

    I'm not a big guy - I only weigh around 150 pounds. Think 100-200 mcg/per day sub-q would be good?

    Sorry if these are not new questions. I'd love to hear your current opinions on this! Thank you everyone.

    Peace

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    I don't have time to read your entire post.. So... Inject as close as you can to the joint for the best results. Personally I would you do multiple injections around the site. So 100mcg Ipam spread out around your knee... then 100mcg later in the day in different spots around your knee... then before bed 100mcg in a different spot. I don't know know if its your knee but i'm just giving you an example. Okay, So you can do that for the best results. Do that for 12 weeks and you should see a pretty good improvement. So you can also do boom dosing... which is normally 1mg-2mg SubQ 1 or 2 nights a week, or even more depending on your goal. But for healing I would do a boom dose of say 500mcg-1mg Ipam at night around the sore joint once or twice a week. I would also add Mod Grf 1-29.

    Hope that helps.
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    Heya,

    Sorry, I know the post was a bit long winded.

    Summary: Fibromyalgia diagnosis, and some joint laxity/hypermobility in some joints. Pain. Need connective tissues to be healthier and stronger. Want to try Ipamorelin for GH release to improve collagen synthesis and connective tissue strength/health.

    Thanks for your reply. Regarding injecting "as close as you can to the joint for the best results", I have zero experience injecting anything; subcutaneous looks easy, but what about "close to the joints"?

    How do I know how close, "close" is - or how deep enough I should go?

    Using Monoject 28 or 29 gauge syringes, is it risky to just pinch a fold of skin (as is done with a Sub-Q injection) near the affected joint and get just the tip of the needle under the skin?

    How would I not hit nerves/blood vessels or veins or anything I don't know the location of? I really don't want to damage myself.

    Your thoughts - and anyone else's - are sincerely appreciated! I'd love to hear some elaboration on how to safely inject near the joints.

    Peace

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    I don't have time to read your entire post.. So... Inject as close as you can to the joint for the best results. Personally I would you do multiple injections around the site. So 100mcg Ipam spread out around your knee... then 100mcg later in the day in different spots around your knee... then before bed 100mcg in a different spot. I don't know know if its your knee but i'm just giving you an example. Okay, So you can do that for the best results. Do that for 12 weeks and you should see a pretty good improvement. So you can also do boom dosing... which is normally 1mg-2mg SubQ 1 or 2 nights a week, or even more depending on your goal. But for healing I would do a boom dose of say 500mcg-1mg Ipam at night around the sore joint once or twice a week. I would also add Mod Grf 1-29.

    Hope that helps.
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    Well... Yeah not too many people have experience injecting in or near joints. Close as you can get... Depth wise you would treat it like an IM injection.

    How would I not hit nerves/blood vessels or veins or anything I don't know the location of? I really don't want to damage myself.

    ^^You would just have to be careful. Best bet would be to do a IM injection near the joint.

    Here are some good links on IM injections....

    http://visn22.kramesonline.com/3,S,86535
    http://visn22.kramesonline.com/3,S,86531
    http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
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    Adequan/Arteparon


    You should do some research on Adequan, Arteparon(Human version) and Aflutop. Great stuff for repairing joints but not a lot of information out there. There are two different versions... One that has to be injected straight into the joint(not my first choice)... Then one you can inject IM. Because i'm a nice guy and I have been researching this drug for a while I will post some links for you but you have to do the reading. LoL.

    http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...quan-arteparon
    http://www.worldclassbodybuilding.co...-repair-18485/
    http://www.worldclassbodybuilding.co...-injury-46739/
    http://www.steroidology.com/forum/an...4-adequan.html
    http://www.basskilleronline.com/profile-adequan.shtml

    By the way welcome to the forum!
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    Hey Jorsn,

    Sorry for not being able to reply sooner; I was out a while and even my fingers are in pain a bit as I type this. Argh.

    Thank you for taking the time to post all those links and pics. I found (maybe) an open-minded doc. that is knowledgeable about injections. When the time is right, I may speak with them.

    In the meantime, Adequan, Arteparon(Human version) and Aflutop sound fascinating, too. I will def. read up on these.

    Thanks, glad to be here!
  

  
 

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