- 04-18-2011, 01:54 AM
Summer is fast approaching and what better way to bring it in.
I will build up to something like this:
100mcg CJC-1295 / Mod GRF(1-29) no DAC 3x ED
200mcg GHRP-6 3x ED
starting with both compounds dosed once before bed, feel that out for a bit, then bump up to once at waking and once before bed. After I feel comfortable with that I will dose at waking, PWO, and before bed.
I would like to run this for at least 3 months, 6 months preferred if everything goes well.
I have everything lined up ready to order.
100ct 28g 1cc 1/2" syringes
30mL Bacteriostatic water
Alcohol prep pads
and even a biohazard needle disposal bin.
How does this look? Would anyone be interested in a log?
- 04-18-2011, 05:54 PM
04-18-2011, 06:05 PM
I am considering using both peptides soon so I would follow your log.
Is there anything like intestinal growth associated with these? Anything like IGF1?
04-18-2011, 06:15 PM
hey man i am also trying this stuff out for the first time this summer, i am doing the exact same thing, cept 100mcg of each (morning/preworkout), (after workout), and (before bed)
04-18-2011, 11:51 PM
This is the best info I could find:
The distended guts you see in certain BBers is NOT from intestinal enlargement. Good god. The amount of growth you'd have to see in those organs to distend one's gut would be phenomenal. Intestines are relatively thinly walled, flexible, soft tubes. To cause notable distension, it would mean the intestines are growing in length, wall thickness, diameter... they would literally constrict themselves. Simply because skeletal muscle and certain epithelial, smooth muscle (and other) cells in the gut both have IGF-1 receptors does NOT mean they react to the peptide's presence in the same way! And yes, acromegaly DOES mean internal organs grow as well. However, bear in mind these people have elevated GH levels 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, for YEARS at a time. The first symptoms are NOT enlarged intestines or a large gut. Rather, cardiac hypertrophy, enlargement of vocal cords, enlargement of the tongue, etc. are all seen first.
One of the main concerns I see people talking about is the smooth muscle that comprises the intestinal walls... in other words, you've got muscle tissue in there with a high concentration of receptors. Yes, intestinal smooth muscle has a high amount of IGF-1 receptors, and IGF both inhibits apoptosis (cell destruction) in this tissue as well as promotes growth. However, smooth muscle hypertrophy occurs at a MUCH slower rate than skeletal muscle (striated) or even cardiac muscle. There are certain conditions (Crohn's disease, etc.) where notable intestinal hypertrophy occurs (over years), and causes a huge number of problems. A distended gut is NOT one of the signs of said hypertrophy.
Insulin, steroids, IGF, etc. can all increase the amount of visceral fat carried by the body, cause hypertrophy of the rectus abdominus, transverse abdominus, and obliques, cause GI upset (and therefore gas)... many BBing diets cause changes in gut flora and fauna (also causing gas)... these are ALL factors that cause that notable distension in top BBers. GH gut is a myth with NO scientific backing whatsoever. Not that it can't technically occur, but that it's responsible for the big guts you see out there. These guys would have chronically impacted bowels, severe cardiac issues, grossly enlarged larynxes, and a bunch of other problems stemming from GH/IGF-1 use before their growing intestines became a problem.
Edit: Also in short:
GH boosting peptides have far less potential to cause acromegaly and other HGH-related side effects because they only cause very brief, intense spikes of GH and, subsequently, IGF-1. Chronic IGF-1 elevation is what causes the side effects associated with HGH abuse.
This is paraphrased from Datbtrue.
04-24-2011, 09:29 PM
04-25-2011, 09:30 AM
04-25-2011, 10:58 PM
04-27-2011, 03:03 AM
Does anybody know how long bac water needs to saturate before use?
I just read it can be used almost immediately, but I've also heard you need to wait a day or two. Can't seem to find that info again.
04-27-2011, 11:42 AM
if you reconstitute with BW and you let it sit for 2 days you can pretty much be assured that you will not be injecting live bacteria into your body.
04-28-2011, 03:19 AM
04-29-2011, 12:41 PM
i mix and inject never had a problem and im on ghrp6 and 1295, 6 b/c it makes me hungry and if you have a fast metabolism u need all the calories u can get.
04-29-2011, 06:56 PM
I'm looking at running a CJC-1295 and GHRP-2 cycle as well so I'm gonna follow this thread.
Do have one quick, probably "stupid" question though. If 1 bottle of CJC has 2mg in it, I'm going to assume that adding 2ml of Bacteriostatic water to it you would have 100mcg every 10iu correct? My question is, using the 1cc (100 units) insulin pins what number would you draw too to give you the 100mcg per injection? Would it be only 10 units drawn?
And are you guys doing IM injections or just SubQ?
04-30-2011, 01:39 PM
Yes your math is absolutely correct. I put 2.5ml into my 5ml vial of GHRP to give me 200mcg for a 10iu pull.
Do it subQ look up tutorials online. It's very easy once you get the hang of it.
But for some tips:
-Pull air into the vial as eqaul to the amount of solution you will withdraw
-Once I pull desired amount I like to space about 5iu worth of air between that and the next chem
-Repeat process with second chem, then lightly swirl or tap to mix the 2
-Release excess air
Try not to poke the rubber stoppers more than you have to; once in each vial. The needle tips are very fragile so be careful what they touch.
05-01-2011, 09:25 PM
05-01-2011, 09:33 PM
05-03-2011, 12:48 AM
Ok today is a week on this stuff.
So far I am amazed. I can't imagine ever coming off of it.
I have gained 5 pounds and have noticed fat loss with no change in diet (or even a slight increase in calories).
The pumps are decent and muscles seem to be hardening.
I sleep for 6 hours and feel perfectly rejuvenated. My dreams are very vivid and entertaining.
Overall a better sense of well-being and mental clarity.
Amazing A+ products in this combination!
05-03-2011, 01:44 PM
Nice to hear and glad it's working good for you. Keep us updated. You doing 3 doses ED yet?
4 more weeks of my Test cycle then I'm on to this as well.
05-03-2011, 02:17 PM
05-04-2011, 12:28 AM
Yes I am dosing 3xED and yes it can be a pain in the ass. It sucks turning your midsection into a pincushion.
One thing I forgot to note was that I have had problems with my rotator cuff for nearly 2 years. It would pop on nearly every rep when I did delts and stretching exercises were marginally helpful at best.
Well day 5 I did shoulders and had almost no problems, only a pop here and there which went away after stretching!
05-06-2011, 06:03 AM
Healed already? WOW, sweet man, sounds like your technique is working wonders.
My meniscus tore about 5 years and about a year or 2 later it was re-attached, i still cant straighten it "full" but its a lot better than before, hopefully when i started my GHRP stack i can get similiar results in 5 days :P.
And let us know if you grow taller, measure you height .
05-08-2011, 10:35 PM
05-08-2011, 11:43 PM
Subd. How much your weight has your pocket dropped for a 3 month run?
I'm very interested in these peptides, also curious why you chose to use no dac?
I'm a noob when it comes to peptides so excuse me if that is a dumb question
05-09-2011, 12:22 AM
it would cost prolly 100 a month for his protocol but you could do 2 times a day dosing for about 60 or 70 if you waited for a sale mabey cheaper. 2 times a day is still like a failry high gh dose from what I understand. I would guess with his dosage he might be getting the equiv of at 5-10 ius a day its hard to compare it though because they act a little differently these peptides actually spike you higher but the wave doesnt last as long from my understanding. they have to get you pretty high because a lot of time if someone runs 4-5 iu gh they dont notice much for a while. People notice stuff pretty quick on 3 times and even 2 time a day dosing with these peptides
05-09-2011, 07:53 AM
The long-estered GHRH can be run every 7 - 8 days from what I have read, but apparantely it is hard to find the real deal as its more costly and difficult to produce. It can also cause GH bleed.
CJC w/o dac seems to be the most popular due to no GH bleed issue and needs to be administrated 2 - 3 a day - Morning,PWO,Before bed.
I hope to be giving these peptides a run soon.
05-13-2011, 12:59 PM
05-16-2011, 12:08 AM
05-16-2011, 09:48 AM
i also have been soooo very tired lately like dont waqnt to wake up at all tired anyone else get this while on this ? Im about a month into it
05-16-2011, 05:39 PM
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