GHRP-6 worth it?
- 04-04-2011, 01:25 PM
- 04-04-2011, 06:05 PM
Things got confusing and kind of heated in here - anyone want to help me out with some cliff's notes, if I admit I'm just being super duper lazy?
04-04-2011, 09:50 PM
04-04-2011, 11:21 PM
04-04-2011, 11:39 PM
After you've been on a month or two, add in huperzine a. Just be careful, this stuff will really make the peptides kick HARD. So start with a small dose 100mcg for a week and assess results.
The only time I would recommend GHRP-6 is when you're looking for a large increase in hunger. GHRP-2 is a 2nd gen peptide and has less sides (no hunger, prolactin, or cortisol increase) where the GHRP-6 has all of these to a slight degree.
04-04-2011, 11:59 PM
04-05-2011, 09:39 AM
04-05-2011, 11:15 AM
04-05-2011, 06:16 PM
I was dosing Huperzine-A as well, but I was injecting pre-workout since I have carbohydrates post workout.
I'm glad I was informed about Hex's propensity to desensitize quickly.
Would you estimate that this combo you listed above would be more dynamic and fast acting than real hgh? I have a couple sources, but just can't, and probably never will, justify the necessary investment.
PS: I'm over 230
04-05-2011, 07:54 PM
yeah bro I feel you I'm over 230 myself and because I am not sh1tting out money, I cannot justify the cost of exogenous GH. I really enjoyed the combo of GHRP and cjc. I found them to be synergistic.. And not calling out coors but results will vary from person to person, considering that we are not part of a controlled lab study and we all use different sources, which could have different concentrations at any given time. Gear and peps can always be overdosed, underdosed, bunk or old, so there is hardly ever a guarantee on anything. You seem to be really opinionated and there's NOTHING wrong with having that assertive quality yet a lot of claims made on this board (not calling you out by any means) are rather subjective.
I personally liked the pep combo, and found that the fact that it is non suppressive (for the most part) gives it an edge over exogenous GH.
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04-05-2011, 08:02 PM
I would expect it to be more dynamic and fast acting than HGH. Just speculation though, and I'm not 100 percent positive as i've never seen the study.
But peptides are legal, cause a natural rise in GH, and are cheaper. I just don't see the need to both with black market HGH when peptides are just an overall better alternative.
04-05-2011, 11:08 PM
04-06-2011, 12:18 AM
Hey dark half, where are you getting huperzine? pm me. also where can I find out more info on it. Thanks. Supposedly ghrp-2 and cjc1295 mod are the strongest stack you can get, with the least side affects. I have been on it for about a month so far, with ipamorelin at night. Liking my results so far.
04-06-2011, 10:06 AM
04-06-2011, 06:14 PM
Dark Half you mention adding Huperzine after a month or so "Just be careful, this stuff will really make the peptides kick HARD. So start with a small dose 100mcg for a week and assess results." For my clarification you mean 100mcg a week or per day. Sorry I am ignorant to subject I am just trying to soak all this in.
04-06-2011, 09:02 PM
04-06-2011, 09:26 PM
Thank you. Also I know your not a fan of people not doing there research but I have and still need to clear one thing up. I am running a GHRP-2 and CJC1293 experiment. The CJC1293 is listed as Mod 1-29 on site im purchasing from they list 1295 w/ dac as other option. So my question is : is CJC1293 = CJC1295 w/o dac? Again sorry for ignorance.
04-06-2011, 11:29 PM
Guys, read this article. It explains pretty much everything about GH surges and pulses on just CJC-1295 with huperzine a. You dont need the GHRP with it, you can get plenty of results with just CJC and huperzine. I'd rather get my CJC-1295 dose up at a decent whack than run "a little of this and a little of that" not to mention, sticking yourself 2-3x/day just ****ing blows, if you have any kind of life this is just ridiculous to do!!
04-07-2011, 09:42 AM
There are various types of GHRH's. The only GHRH to consider is tetra-substituted CJC-1295 / CJC-1295(without DAC) / modGRF(1-29). They are all the same thing but with a different name.
GRF(1-29) is produced and sold as a drug called Sermorelin. It has a short-half life measured in minutes. If you prefer analogies think of this as a Testosterone Suspension (i.e. unestered).
To increase the stability and half-life of GRF(1-29) four amino acid changes where made to its structure. These changes increase the half-life beyond 30 minutes which is more than sufficient to exert a sustained effect which will maximize a GH pulse. This form is often called tetrasubstituted GRF(1-29) (or modified) and unfortunately & confusingly mislabeled as CJC-1295. If you prefer analogies think of this as a Testosterone Propionate (i.e. short-estered).
Note that some may also refer to this as CJC-1295 without the DAC (Drug Affinity Complex).
Frequent dosing of either the aforementioned modified GRF(1-29) or regular GRF(1-29) is required and as previously indicated works synergistically with a GHRP.
04-07-2011, 09:52 AM
Whereas my post a page back has cited references and data graphs from actual studies, disproving your original and ongoing claims of what you think works best (when I have science proving what we now know to best)
Sticking yourself 2-3x per day isn't that hard to factor in to your life. 1 when you wake up, 1 after you work out, and 1 before going to sleep. Takes less than 60 sec per shot.
04-07-2011, 09:56 AM
Thanks! That made me feel better. I was hung up on the 1295 vs 1293 when the focus should be mod grf 1-29. Well all I have left to do is order!
04-07-2011, 10:13 AM
Coors I fully admit that I am new to the peptide discussion but I have to say a vast majority of what I have read is geared toward the synergistic effect of Grhp and Mod 1-29. I have read for months on end now and your opinion seems to be in the minority. Everyone is different and has different results but with all the DATA to back up the majority opinion of using these two peptides together I'm going to trust the science and use both. As far as administering 3x a day, yea its a slight negative but I am home when I wake and go to bed and my gym is literally around the corner so it won't be a huge deal.
06-29-2011, 06:54 PM
I'm gonna try it alongside Clomid/Nolva. I'd leave the lean gains up to Test/Tren/GH/IGF etc.. I would use these natural hormone stimulants for maintenance. Just keeping the gains is the struggle IMO.
07-21-2011, 10:23 PM
Huperzine A the oral stuff? Like from GNC one the posts confused me because he said injected after workout. But after re reading the post I think he meant he injected his peptides. Also what do you me by "Makes the peptides kick hard" and why do I have to worry about it, what side effects am i looking for I've been running cjc 1295 no dac and various combinations for ghrp 6, 2 and ipamorelin because I apparently under the impression that sensitization occurred with all but you are saying with hexarelin only. I am buying some Huperzine tomorrow what should I expect??
07-22-2011, 02:20 PM
So why do CJC and the GHRP products stacts stack so well together? Will GHRP not release much GH without the CJC? Will I not be able to get any leaning or injury healing benefits from just a GHRP product??
Also, at 25, do you think huperzine A and EECG could get my gh to puberty levels, or is that just asking for to much from supplememnts?
07-22-2011, 02:46 PM
As far as realizing puberty levels of GH, I have no idea... but, at the 300-400mcg 3-4x per day injections to reach total maximum saturation per dosage, I would think you'd be far exceeding your puberty levels by artificially forcing GH to pulse with exogenous modulators. I am only theorizing here. Superphysiological dosages and subsequent in vitro activity usually always overcomes any natural levels of a hormone, even during the wonder years of life
As far as Huperzine-A and Green Tea extract... hmmmm... I want to believe, I really do, but I have been told by a chemist I know personally and who is familiar with these peptides, that it all amounts to a pipe-dream, and that theses peptides are very powerful on their own if taken correctly (empty stomach and proper amounts).
07-23-2011, 02:01 AM
One question you should ask is wether he believes the peptides are just to powerful for any supplement to enhance there performance, or if he thinks that the supplements just dont do anything to decrease somostatin, even as standalones.
07-23-2011, 03:04 AM
I dont know much but I do know this...peptides do increase resulst, and intensity in the gym; espically if you know how to workout like you should. The reason these 2 peps work so well together is this...The male gh release is 3 times/day morning, noon, and night. CJC mimics this pulse and ghrp amplifies these pulses in conjunction wiht the CJC..make sence???? I have been on it now for 6 weeks and have notices great results that are solid; including but not limited to...great increase in aggression (people in the gym are like what the F*** is he on?) good pumps, increase in appetiet, weight loss, sence of well being, deep...deep sleep and solid mass that will stay. To me that is perfect, I would like to see what they can do 8 months from now. Follow my log at mk-2886+cjc+ghrp on this fourm...
07-23-2011, 08:43 PM
Well, there was no response to my question but I am a noob on here so I understand. I have been running peptides for a two months. The first set was cjc 1295 no dac and ghrp 2, got very lean joints stopped hurting super deep sleep and vivid dreams. Next I ran cjc 1295 no dac and ipamorelin, did not notice as much in the way of results, I would like to say however that both the ghrp 2 and the ipamorelin caused sever appetite increase. I was able to withstand it. Next ran ghrp 6 and cjc not dac, Joints are hurting again but that is my fault, shoulders and elbows felt good so pushed too hard and upped weights too fast. Consequently hurt elbow and right shoulder. Currently have backed off some and am still making gains. I added huperzine a and green tea extract yesterday. I wasn't expecting a change, but it was very noticeable, definite head rush, slight nausea and super vivid movie like dreams as well as tingly hands, wish I'd known about that earlier as I think my results would have been much better with the huperzine A from the get go. I am 46 and 207lbs
07-23-2011, 08:47 PM
Huperzine A and EGCG aren't necessary, I think benefits would be marginal, but it's pretty cheap and easy to add. I'd try them to see if it makes a difference for you, I personally like it, little better headrush for me at least. 200mcg Huperzine and 350mg EGCG. You can get Huperzine cheap on Amazon.
GHRH/GHRP combo rocks, try to dose them 30 minutes before food to block adipocytes, best time to dose is the 2 times before your biggest meals and pre or post workout. I like pre-workout, gives me good pumps. You should generally allow 3 hours between doses.
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