GHRP-6 worth it?
- 04-05-2011, 06:02 PM
I would expect it to be more dynamic and fast acting than HGH. Just speculation though, and I'm not 100 percent positive as i've never seen the study.
But peptides are legal, cause a natural rise in GH, and are cheaper. I just don't see the need to both with black market HGH when peptides are just an overall better alternative.
- 04-05-2011, 09:08 PM
- 04-05-2011, 10:18 PM
Hey dark half, where are you getting huperzine? pm me. also where can I find out more info on it. Thanks. Supposedly ghrp-2 and cjc1295 mod are the strongest stack you can get, with the least side affects. I have been on it for about a month so far, with ipamorelin at night. Liking my results so far.
04-06-2011, 08:06 AM
04-06-2011, 04:14 PM
Dark Half you mention adding Huperzine after a month or so "Just be careful, this stuff will really make the peptides kick HARD. So start with a small dose 100mcg for a week and assess results." For my clarification you mean 100mcg a week or per day. Sorry I am ignorant to subject I am just trying to soak all this in.
04-06-2011, 07:02 PM
04-06-2011, 07:26 PM
Thank you. Also I know your not a fan of people not doing there research but I have and still need to clear one thing up. I am running a GHRP-2 and CJC1293 experiment. The CJC1293 is listed as Mod 1-29 on site im purchasing from they list 1295 w/ dac as other option. So my question is : is CJC1293 = CJC1295 w/o dac? Again sorry for ignorance.
04-06-2011, 09:29 PM
Guys, read this article. It explains pretty much everything about GH surges and pulses on just CJC-1295 with huperzine a. You dont need the GHRP with it, you can get plenty of results with just CJC and huperzine. I'd rather get my CJC-1295 dose up at a decent whack than run "a little of this and a little of that" not to mention, sticking yourself 2-3x/day just ****ing blows, if you have any kind of life this is just ridiculous to do!!
04-07-2011, 07:42 AM
There are various types of GHRH's. The only GHRH to consider is tetra-substituted CJC-1295 / CJC-1295(without DAC) / modGRF(1-29). They are all the same thing but with a different name.
GRF(1-29) is produced and sold as a drug called Sermorelin. It has a short-half life measured in minutes. If you prefer analogies think of this as a Testosterone Suspension (i.e. unestered).
To increase the stability and half-life of GRF(1-29) four amino acid changes where made to its structure. These changes increase the half-life beyond 30 minutes which is more than sufficient to exert a sustained effect which will maximize a GH pulse. This form is often called tetrasubstituted GRF(1-29) (or modified) and unfortunately & confusingly mislabeled as CJC-1295. If you prefer analogies think of this as a Testosterone Propionate (i.e. short-estered).
Note that some may also refer to this as CJC-1295 without the DAC (Drug Affinity Complex).
Frequent dosing of either the aforementioned modified GRF(1-29) or regular GRF(1-29) is required and as previously indicated works synergistically with a GHRP.
04-07-2011, 07:52 AM
Whereas my post a page back has cited references and data graphs from actual studies, disproving your original and ongoing claims of what you think works best (when I have science proving what we now know to best)
Sticking yourself 2-3x per day isn't that hard to factor in to your life. 1 when you wake up, 1 after you work out, and 1 before going to sleep. Takes less than 60 sec per shot.
04-07-2011, 07:56 AM
Thanks! That made me feel better. I was hung up on the 1295 vs 1293 when the focus should be mod grf 1-29. Well all I have left to do is order!
04-07-2011, 08:13 AM
Coors I fully admit that I am new to the peptide discussion but I have to say a vast majority of what I have read is geared toward the synergistic effect of Grhp and Mod 1-29. I have read for months on end now and your opinion seems to be in the minority. Everyone is different and has different results but with all the DATA to back up the majority opinion of using these two peptides together I'm going to trust the science and use both. As far as administering 3x a day, yea its a slight negative but I am home when I wake and go to bed and my gym is literally around the corner so it won't be a huge deal.
06-29-2011, 04:54 PM
I'm gonna try it alongside Clomid/Nolva. I'd leave the lean gains up to Test/Tren/GH/IGF etc.. I would use these natural hormone stimulants for maintenance. Just keeping the gains is the struggle IMO.
07-21-2011, 08:23 PM
Huperzine A the oral stuff? Like from GNC one the posts confused me because he said injected after workout. But after re reading the post I think he meant he injected his peptides. Also what do you me by "Makes the peptides kick hard" and why do I have to worry about it, what side effects am i looking for I've been running cjc 1295 no dac and various combinations for ghrp 6, 2 and ipamorelin because I apparently under the impression that sensitization occurred with all but you are saying with hexarelin only. I am buying some Huperzine tomorrow what should I expect??
07-22-2011, 12:20 PM
So why do CJC and the GHRP products stacts stack so well together? Will GHRP not release much GH without the CJC? Will I not be able to get any leaning or injury healing benefits from just a GHRP product??
Also, at 25, do you think huperzine A and EECG could get my gh to puberty levels, or is that just asking for to much from supplememnts?
07-22-2011, 12:46 PM
As far as realizing puberty levels of GH, I have no idea... but, at the 300-400mcg 3-4x per day injections to reach total maximum saturation per dosage, I would think you'd be far exceeding your puberty levels by artificially forcing GH to pulse with exogenous modulators. I am only theorizing here. Superphysiological dosages and subsequent in vitro activity usually always overcomes any natural levels of a hormone, even during the wonder years of life
As far as Huperzine-A and Green Tea extract... hmmmm... I want to believe, I really do, but I have been told by a chemist I know personally and who is familiar with these peptides, that it all amounts to a pipe-dream, and that theses peptides are very powerful on their own if taken correctly (empty stomach and proper amounts).
07-23-2011, 12:01 AM
One question you should ask is wether he believes the peptides are just to powerful for any supplement to enhance there performance, or if he thinks that the supplements just dont do anything to decrease somostatin, even as standalones.
07-23-2011, 01:04 AM
I dont know much but I do know this...peptides do increase resulst, and intensity in the gym; espically if you know how to workout like you should. The reason these 2 peps work so well together is this...The male gh release is 3 times/day morning, noon, and night. CJC mimics this pulse and ghrp amplifies these pulses in conjunction wiht the CJC..make sence???? I have been on it now for 6 weeks and have notices great results that are solid; including but not limited to...great increase in aggression (people in the gym are like what the F*** is he on?) good pumps, increase in appetiet, weight loss, sence of well being, deep...deep sleep and solid mass that will stay. To me that is perfect, I would like to see what they can do 8 months from now. Follow my log at mk-2886+cjc+ghrp on this fourm...
07-23-2011, 06:43 PM
Well, there was no response to my question but I am a noob on here so I understand. I have been running peptides for a two months. The first set was cjc 1295 no dac and ghrp 2, got very lean joints stopped hurting super deep sleep and vivid dreams. Next I ran cjc 1295 no dac and ipamorelin, did not notice as much in the way of results, I would like to say however that both the ghrp 2 and the ipamorelin caused sever appetite increase. I was able to withstand it. Next ran ghrp 6 and cjc not dac, Joints are hurting again but that is my fault, shoulders and elbows felt good so pushed too hard and upped weights too fast. Consequently hurt elbow and right shoulder. Currently have backed off some and am still making gains. I added huperzine a and green tea extract yesterday. I wasn't expecting a change, but it was very noticeable, definite head rush, slight nausea and super vivid movie like dreams as well as tingly hands, wish I'd known about that earlier as I think my results would have been much better with the huperzine A from the get go. I am 46 and 207lbs
07-23-2011, 06:47 PM
Huperzine A and EGCG aren't necessary, I think benefits would be marginal, but it's pretty cheap and easy to add. I'd try them to see if it makes a difference for you, I personally like it, little better headrush for me at least. 200mcg Huperzine and 350mg EGCG. You can get Huperzine cheap on Amazon.
GHRH/GHRP combo rocks, try to dose them 30 minutes before food to block adipocytes, best time to dose is the 2 times before your biggest meals and pre or post workout. I like pre-workout, gives me good pumps. You should generally allow 3 hours between doses.
07-23-2011, 07:02 PM
The first couple weeks I dosed pre workout, then the general consensus was post work out, can anyone tell me the logic behind it, I've searched numerous threads but no explanation of post vs pre. The Huperzine A an egcg made a tangible difference to me and they are cheap so why not. Felt Hypoglycemic after though, a tad dizzy, I am low carbing though
07-23-2011, 07:22 PM
There are arguments for pre and post. Pre so you get the pulse while working out and an IGF spike, and also less Free Fatty Acids circulating.
I think the best argument for post is for post workout nutrition, so it block adipocytes and you get the spike when you're most receptive to recovery and growth. This works best with doing IGF-DES pre-workout and GHRP/GHRH post.
Both work fine IMO as long as you don't have food before and wait 30 minutes after. I like GHRP-6 before big meals, and Ipa all other times.
These are just my "bro-science" perspectives, based on personal experience, so take it with a grain of salt.
07-24-2011, 10:07 PM
I believe you are on the right track. DES pre-workout and GHRP-6 post. Although GHRP-2 is best to use, and taken at night since it makes you sleepy. Even better take peg-MGF mid-afternoon EOD alongside...
07-24-2011, 10:54 PM
I never thought about taking a different ghrp for a different part of the day, perhaps I'll give it a try I just posted pics of my cjc 1295 GHRP results in the pics section under 1's pics post. I am 46 years old 6'1'' tall and weigh 207
07-25-2011, 06:48 AM
If I have the time I will try to dig up a study that shows the difference between pre and post workout or at least an answer as to which is better and why.
07-25-2011, 08:30 AM
07-25-2011, 09:16 AM
There may or may not be one.....just swore I read one at some point....I probably won't be able to find it either I don't have the slightest as to where I read it
As far as the patch vs peptides you can go either way I think. Optimal would be to use both. If you had to pick one or the other it's a toss up. Peptides are better at preserving muscle and I haven't seen any huge gains off of either the patch or the peptides.
07-25-2011, 09:40 AM
TheDarkHalf, what's your opinion on localised IM injection for growth or recovery post OP? I read Russianstar used this method with success and read a few other users who successfully injected Subq, but around the injured area.
Is storing them in the fridge, powder form, okay instead of freezing? I would of thought that repetitive thawing would damage the peptides but may be wrong.
I would appreciate your input.
07-25-2011, 09:40 AM
07-25-2011, 09:54 AM
07-25-2011, 09:58 AM
Yeah you can store them either way. I keep them in the freezer until I'm ready to use them, then put them in the fridge for a day or two to let them adjust to the temp, then reconstitute and use them. I think you only run into damaging the peptides after it's been reconstituted.
07-25-2011, 10:27 AM
The effects of GHRP and GHRH are not local as far as I've read, they act on pituitary gland to release GH, and then the GH acts on the liver to release IGF at that point, GH pulses stop as the IGF is negative feedback. The IGF and GH are both systemic at that point, not localized. IM would net nothing better than sub-q, and it would probably act faster if you need that. No net benefit IMO though.
IGF DES is a different story, that can be applied more locally and IMO should be done IM where you're working out pre or post.
IGF-1 LR3 doesn't matter as much since it takes more time to act and has a longer half life so it will "float" away before delivering concentrated doses. I'd still do it IM on the off-chance it works, but I don't think results are much better for sub-q versus IM on the LR3.
07-25-2011, 12:34 PM
Thankyou both for the reply, I'll stick with subq.
07-25-2011, 03:43 PM
PS: I have never heard anyone talk about the pumps caused by the GHRPs before, but you're right, what a great tight feeling! It's been nearly a full month for me now, and it's really in gear at this point.
07-25-2011, 07:02 PM
I was skeptical about the huperzine, I will tell you I've never had the head rush, tingly hand thing until the huperzine egcg combo, also dreams were intense before, now they are movie quality. Bad thing am sleeping so deeply I am shutting off my alarm without waking up. As far as what the peps can do check out my pics, under "1st pic post they leaned me out no calorie reduction and no cardio(I hate Cardio)
07-26-2011, 03:37 AM
I find the cjc and ipamorelin combo or cjc and ghrp combo to work well, like most here are saying. You coud also add some pGH (tyric-6) as well and maybe some Endoamp Max for the high dose of alpha gpc in the morning along with the injections. Just my 2 cents. There's a lot of good info in this thread!
07-26-2011, 08:09 AM
07-26-2011, 02:18 PM
Personally, I'm planning a stack of peptides that will look like this:
IGF-1 DES - Pre-workout ~50-100mcg's, IM, site specific depending upon the muscle group worked and only on training days.
Ipa - Post-workout ~ 200mcg's, sub-Q, training days only
PEG-MGF - EOD ~ 200mcg's @ 2PM.
Trenazone - 150mg/day / First 6 weeks
Test C - 600mg/week / 10 weeks
Ought to be fun..I'm hoping the peptides will bring my BF down to 4-5% over the course of a few months...
IMO, if you have a restricted diet or are around maintenance calories, there is no need for GHRP-6 since it makes you hungry. At that point you could take Ipa or GHRP-2. But GHRP-2 will make you especially tired and is best to take at night before bed. The reason I suggest PEG-MGF @ 2PM is because that is when natural GH levels are lowest and cortisol is highest. I believe the production of GH and MGF reduces Cortisol levels (not entirely sure of this tho). Also, I would not take any IGF products POST workout since it would stunt your natural production even more. An 1 hour before training would probably be best based off the research I have done thus far. A great benefit of PEG-MGF is that you get to have MGF actively working on your muscle cells for up to 8 hrs after injection. Normally, MGF only exists for 15 minutes or so after a workout. Imagine having the hypertrophy of MGF for 6-8hrs at a time and whatever time of the day you like rather than just post workout. I feel like any single peptide by itself will be marginal results but coupled together with different anabolics could result in some serious lean mass and significant drops in BF..
07-26-2011, 03:06 PM
07-26-2011, 04:26 PM
Thanks for the advice man, makes sense. I don't 'want' a headrush, but I suppose if somehow a head rush can be correlated to increased efficacy then I'm on board.
I just need to find a good site with BOTH Huperzine-A and the old Green Tea Extract. Be back in a little bit