Trying to come off TRT, Triptorelin / HCG?

[BatCountry]

Hi i posted initially in the over 35 section. I have been on TRT for just over a year now and with all the exposure to the subject found myself having done a few cycles of PH in a blast and cruise mentality. I have kept dry gains for the most part and i attribute this to the test cyp (100iu) that i inject weekly.
I have been thinking about trying to get off of TRT and have HCG / clomid and tamox on hand. Currently on a cycle of Forged Lean Mass. I was going to go with an HCG protocol of 350iu for 2 weeks then followed by clomid and tamox for a month.
I was told of Triptorelin in my other post however and was intrigued by this. I have located a source and the single shot seems affordable and definately worth trying.
Question is should i use this with the 2 weeks of HCG or will that risk further LH suppression? What about the Tamox and Clomid, could that also interfere with the Triptorelin?
Also i have been reading about IGF-1 LR3 and DES. It seems that starting this soon half way through my cycle and considering going off of TRT that this could really help in keeping these gains permanent. The supplier that has the Trip also has 1mg of DES but is out of stock on the LR3. Would 1 mg (equaling 40mcg x 25 injects) help or would i need more. There is unfortunately only 1mg of the DES in stock.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. If i cannot get off of TRT then no huge deal for me. I am 44 and there is a possibility that my new girl and i would like another child but i am certainly undecided and on the fence on this at my age and already having a 24 year old son and 16 year old daughter.
Also i go in to get my latest lab results on the 30th of this month. I had a full barrage of testing this time. previously i was just given a total t level test before being put on TRT. I did saliva and blood work this time.
take care all

 

[EasyEJL]

Realistically, what you have to look at is what the reason for coming off TRT is. even at just 100mg weekly, odds of your natural production bringing you to that same level is about 0. Particularly since you still seem to be stuck on the idea of cycling + using peptides, do you really think that even if you got to a vaguely normal testosterone level for your age (lets say 400) that you'd stop all anabolics and other things that affect HTPA?

 

[BatCountry]

Well Easy you again have raised another very valid point.
I guess maybe i am hoping for miracles. Do i really want to stop getting bigger... hell no i really don't. I am kinda hooked. I have been skinny all my life. I went from 173 lbs in Oct of 2009 to 218lbs one year later with pretty much the same BF%
It is a high but it also comes with this irony. I get more attention from women now than i have in my whole life but at this cost of lesser quality in my sex life. Sucks, the desire is there but even on TRT i am not always able to perform. I pay for the injections out of pocket but then i am still finding myself using Cialis, Prami and other supps to be able to perform... expensive and taxing on the mind as well.
My problems were there before the TRT, working out and PH cycling. I may be asking for it all here and that may be unrealistic. I guess i am a little bitter and feel cheated with my natural ability / inability and got it in my head that HCG or something else might have been tried before being put on TRT.
A more likely scenario (as i'm guessing you are already perceiving) is that i try everything i can and even if it does work i end up going back to anabolic s because again... i love the effects and the attention it gets me.
This whole lifestyle of being with a bunch of women really isn't me anyways. The women i am with now is gold and understanding and will stay with me through the thick and thin (no pun intended). I used to think that those women didn't exist but i know different now. I love working out and the attention it gets me from women but that is really enough i have a damm fine sexy woman, i'm pretty lucky no matter how this turns out.
Sorry for the Dr. Phil moment... uggh

 

[The Matrix]

Well Easy you again have raised another very valid point.
I guess maybe i am hoping for miracles. Do i really want to stop getting bigger... hell no i really don't. I am kinda hooked. I have been skinny all my life. I went from 173 lbs in Oct of 2009 to 218lbs one year later with pretty much the same BF%
It is a high but it also comes with this irony. I get more attention from women now than i have in my whole life but at this cost of lesser quality in my sex life. Sucks, the desire is there but even on TRT i am not always able to perform. I pay for the injections out of pocket but then i am still finding myself using Cialis, Prami and other supps to be able to perform... expensive and taxing on the mind as well.
My problems were there before the TRT, working out and PH cycling. I may be asking for it all here and that may be unrealistic. I guess i am a little bitter and feel cheated with my natural ability / inability and got it in my head that HCG or something else might have been tried before being put on TRT.
A more likely scenario (as i'm guessing you are already perceiving) is that i try everything i can and even if it does work i end up going back to anabolic s because again... i love the effects and the attention it gets me.
This whole lifestyle of being with a bunch of women really isn't me anyways. The women i am with now is gold and understanding and will stay with me through the thick and thin (no pun intended). I used to think that those women didn't exist but i know different now. I love working out and the attention it gets me from women but that is really enough i have a damm fine sexy woman, i'm pretty lucky no matter how this turns out.
Sorry for the Dr. Phil moment... uggh

Why not try to look for the root cause of why you need all these supplements? If you are on TRT then you might have other issues that need to be properly evaluated or even looked at. Majority of Dr's patients work with have good hormone level but still do not feel well or have performance issues. Futher evaluation usually reveals imbalnaces in other areas (adrenal, thyroid, lifestyle, psychological other metabolic road blocks). Once these are corrected then symptoms can get better. Just adding some food for thought.

 

[EasyEJL]

its definitely true that other things could have been tried before TRT but if you've gotten addicted to anabolics then well there really isn't that huge a point to restoring natural levels to just go on the constant up + down of cycles. With things like Triptorelin, Androxal, etc having come to light recently I thought about it too but I'm still not quite where I want to be bodily yet, and what is the point to restoring natural function to then mess it up with superdrol/boladrol/deca/whatever?

For me, i'd guess that I had pretty low side testosterone most of my life, was always fat, never very athletic (although fairly strong). Never really cared, the first time I was tested for testosterone levels was at 35 as just part of a normal annual bloodwork and it was in the 270-280 range. So pretty well for me even when I started TRT the idea of trying to find some other root cause wasn't at the top of my mind as I doubt my levels ever were particularly above average. Comically outside of perhaps a little bit of an issue with maintaining hardness past 5 minutes during sex I never had any sexual issues, even when cycling PHs and having 0 for testosterone levels (I have bloodwork to back this up ). So i'd just make sure I was done inside of 5 minutes

Maybe in another couple of years i'll give those restart products a try. I'm realistically within months, maybe a year tops of reaching my physique goal anyhow so I figure even if I am going to attempt restart let me get to where I want to be and spend a year there first in case in the process of restarting it all goes to hell.

 

[BatCountry]

you are a lucky man if you have no issues on PH's. I might be a little worried about my goals physique wise stretching as the size continues to come.
Realistically though 220lbs 12% bf would be all a 44 6ft geezer could ask for. I know many of you want more but to me this is ideal. I'm hopefully a year off from this too. Seems that the new growth IGF can produce however would be very helpful in the meantime trying to reach those goals.

 

[EasyEJL]

I don't even see high blood pressure on anything, just destroyed lipids is the only side i get. I want to at 5'9.5"ish be maybe 200 at 10% bf, maybe 195 @ 8%. something in that rough area, nothing too ridiculous. For me having always been fat its been getting down to that leanness that has been hard, and then when I have attempted to add muscle adding as much fat at the same time. now I do the more microcycling between cut + bulk, I never stay high calories for a full week, and never stay below maintenance that long either. Its slow this way, but over the last 6 months i've dropped 1+% bodyfat while adding maybe 7 scale pounds.

 

[BatCountry]

i'm sure you will make it. I did 3 days starchy carbs and 3 days fibrous carbs cycling last summer and right around the 6 week mark started shedding fat big time... i got scared that i would loose muscle mass too so backed off... first time in my life i ever remember seeing my abs though.

 

[whytknyt05]

I've always liked Easy's honesty and I think thats key: Being honest with yourself and what you hope to achieve. I personally would wait at least a year to see what comes out of this whole triptorelin phase. There is to little research and to many guys jumping on this stuff. I know that any second now there will be some sponsor telling me its the greatest thing in the world and I need to bath in it.

 

[BatCountry]

Hey, just wanted to make a little update here as several of you took the time to give feedback and thoughts. I went off the TRT shortly thereafter my last post. The HCG, seemed to keep nut size intact but did little else. The Trip was even less impressive. I was expecting the kinds of miracles i guess that were released in the media...didn't feel or notice anything from it really. The lab work indicated that i was not absorbing protein properly, total test was dismal at 122 and free was just below 40ngl, that had me pretty bummed. I started taking Betatine HCI and bitters to help the digestion along. I did notice that i felt less bloated but that could have also been because of breaking off of the TRT. I was feeling significantly weaker and had aching in the joints along with a lack of libido or quality erections...all stuff i was expecting really. But still I was actually pretty down, feeling skinnier and fatter around the mid section too. I decided to try some I-Force Fadogia along with the D-Aspartic i was already using to try and get things going again. About two weeks in i was noticing some improvement and then decided to lay down $90 for HCGenerate. After a week of that i was feeling quite a bit better, certainly not to the level of strength and feeling "on" that i had previously but i had energy and libido was bouncing back... boys were hanging low too! My girlfriend and i had talked about having another child and maybe how i might have problems with my age and being on TRT. I went to visit an endo to see where my count was and left with an empty cup to fill the next morning. That night my girlfriend said she was feeling funny and we joked about her being pregnant so for kicks we decided to get a preg test kit... well the next morning it came back positive!!! So i am going to be a dad again! Not sure what contributed to it if anything but could have been the Fadogia, the loads were appearing bigger i do know that. Could have been the HCGenerate. Yeah i wish i had done all this in a very controlled manner of study but really i have not found a doctor (at least one that i can afford) who gives a **** about researching this with me so i have to admit a lot of what i have been doing has been trial and error / desperation until i find something that works. Which brings me to were i am now. Other than being much busier i am starting another cycle and realizing that i might just want to blast and cruise for many years now. Easy you are right, the feeling of being on and knowing that gains are coming faster is just too alluring. Also not to mention test is cheaper than a bottle of HCGenerate and the effects in the gym and on my physique are just not comparable.
I am feeling better about being on this time too as i have done more research and from what i can tell this is working better for me. Jump started with M-Drol along with 250ui of test every 3rd day. Also along with Exemestane 25mg eod i'm taking Provirin 100mg ed to free up test and keep estro down. I am feeling great and libido is super high. Oh i have been throwing in the occasional 250mcg of Melantonin II and that is just about more than my girl and i can handle!! Thinking about lowering that dose to 150mcg.
well thanks all. Anyone else have good experience with Fadogia or HCGenerate? yes i know Fadogia is the main ingredient in HCGenerate too... maybe just super dosing this is what really helped???

 

[swollen87]

subd

 

[ambulldog]

dude sounds like a train wreck

 

[Force of Green]

Congratulations on being a father again! Your new baby will want you to be around for many, many years to come so keep checking your bloodwork and make sure your lipids are intact, etc.

It sucks that the triptorelin didn't transform you from recruit Steve Rogers into Captain America. I am interested in triptorelin.