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Old 04-13-2004, 01:39 PM   #1
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Starting IGF cycle

Stats:
5'6"
175-180 depending on carb intake
BF is around 18% - ordered a new caliper
Training on and off for 7 years
Have done about 4 PH cycles in past year - no gear
Diet:
Training days: P/F/C 325/100/125
Non training days: 350/100/~0 - carbs will be from vegetables only
Supps:
Multi vitamine
Cal\mag\zinc
potassium
Beta sitosterol
r-ala and biotin
7-keto
guggolbolic extreme
green tea
PH\IGF stack:
1-8 M-dien 4mgs per day broken up into 2 doses
1-4 and 8-12 IGF at 40mcg per day - going to start at 1x per day and if i get used to poking myself then maybe will go to 2x per day
8-12 Nolva and milk thistle
Cardio:
6x per week I will do a 45 minute session in the AM when I get up on an empty stomach at a moderate walking pace
Training:
Tuesday - Thursday - Saturday split from IA - pretty much a push - pull - legs\abs

I will add 1.5 ml of BA to make dosing easier - will draw up 10 ticks of the igf and fill the rest with BW.

My protein sources will be from steak, chicken, fish, and eggs.
Carb sources will be oatmeal, yams, whole wheat pasta and apples.
Fat will come from the steak, 2% milk, fish oil caps, and flax before bed.

Have 30G pins and will do it IM in the AM after cardio, then down some whey or egg whites and some oatmeal.

Goals:

1. I want my hair to stop falling out and hopefully regrow some of it.
2. Lower overall BF
3. Build muscle
4. Overall health

I have a bottle of swole - and i am contemplating using it. I also have a tub of glutamine lying around - I guess i will add that to my PW shake.

Going to start tomorrow when i get my stuff from MR.

Any comments\suggestions are more than welcome and much appreciated.
 

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Old 04-13-2004, 03:09 PM   #2
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Use the second cycle of IGF post cycle to maintain gains. I am 5'7 " around 180 to my bf is lower but I will be interested in seeing how this works for you since we are similar in size. Anyway everything else looks solid.
 
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Old 04-13-2004, 03:16 PM   #3
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Thats what i am doing - first 4 weeks with it and then PCT with it.



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Use the second cycle of IGF post cycle to maintain gains. I am 5'7 " around 180 to my bf is lower but I will be interested in seeing how this works for you since we are similar in size. Anyway everything else looks solid.
 
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Old 04-17-2004, 08:35 PM   #4
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Can you hit glutes too on a 30g 1/2" needle or is it too small?
 
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I think it depends on your bf GL and the size of your pins
 
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Started this AM - 40mcg in the glute. Nothing to report. Thinking about throwing in triac for the 4 weeks off of the igf(5-8).
 
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Nothing real noticible yet except my veins are popping out a bit. This **** does sting after the injection for the whole day. my next bottle i dont think i am going to dilute any and see if it is better. Tommorrow will be the first workout.
 
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Vascularity is up more. starting to "feel good" all around. If i do little things like take out the trash or move some equipment around here at work i get a pump that lasts a very long time. starting to get real hungry and i am dieting dammit. have some scaring on my back from a bad acne breakout - they seem to be getting lighter and fading away. Took some xenadrine this AM bc i feel a bit more tired than usual and it has not affected me at all - must get more coffee. i also seem to go to bed earlier - but thid might be bc i have started cardio in the AM and i have never done cardio before.
 
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just got home from my WO. nothing special to report. the extrem stretching was a bit easier. went up one or two reps from last WO but this is normal. I dont feel the much of a bigger pump, but in the mirror it looks like i have a huge pump and this pump is lasting longer than usual. appetite is huge but i cant eat too much. am not sore from todays inject in the shoulder - so i am assuming i am getting better at pinning and it is not the BA. feel "good". seems like this stuff negates stimulants in me - took 2 xenadrine(with ephedra) and 6 cups of coffee(i normally have 1-2) and it did not help me feel totally awake.
 
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GL, everything looks solid, good plan. I just finished my second bottle of IGF, I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the hair growth/re-growth, but I didn't start noticing that until about day 15.

As far as injects, I found the PECS to be the easiest and most pain free place to inject, shoulders second. Quads and calves hurt for a few days after, PECS were pain free during inject and after. The burning comes from the extra BA added, but it definitely makes it easier to dose. The other positive sides, overall good feelings, etc., started to show up about day 3-4 for me and kept on going all the way through to day 40 when my second bottle ran out.

My only concern with your info is all the cardio you plan on doing along with the fat burners/CNS stimulants, the IGF is not a big weight gainer, it will make a dramatic change in how your body looks, your muscles will take on a much fuller, defined look and super hard.

Good luck Bro, stay the course and stick to your plan!
 
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My only concern with your info is all the cardio you plan on doing along with the fat burners/CNS stimulants, the IGF is not a big weight gainer, it will make a dramatic change in how your body looks, your muscles will take on a much fuller, defined look and super hard.

Good luck Bro, stay the course and stick to your plan!
I only take xenadrine when i am tired that day. i dont think the cardio is excessive - i only go at 2.3 mph - just enough to break a sweat. I am going to Disney World June 1st - so i am trying to burn as much fat as possible before then. Thanks for all your feedback

So far this AM - Still fell "good". I also notice my muscles feel very "full". ordered some TRIAC to run weeks 5-7. Also got some ALCAR.
 
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Vacularity is just gettting better and better. My hair feels silky smoothe which is nice too bc it has not been lately. skin feels smoothe. Not bad for 4 days.
 
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I only take xenadrine when i am tired that day. i dont think the cardio is excessive - i only go at 2.3 mph - just enough to break a sweat. I am going to Disney World June 1st - so i am trying to burn as much fat as possible before then. Thanks for all your feedback

So far this AM - Still fell "good". I also notice my muscles feel very "full". ordered some TRIAC to run weeks 5-7. Also got some ALCAR.

Do not drop carbs to much with this combo. Triac will increase T3 levels which will inhibit glycogen sythesis and like T3, will make you look flat. Keep carbs moderate as the IGF-1 is an excellent nutrient partioner and will help keep glyocgen sotres at normal levels.

I would change your ratios and add more carbs and drop more fat. A 40/40/20 split or even 50/40/10 is probably the best combo for both of these substances. IGF-1 will work wonders with carbs while still burning fat.
 



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Do not drop carbs to much with this combo. Triac will increase T3 levels which will inhibit glycogen sythesis and like T3, will make you look flat. Keep carbs moderate as the IGF-1 is an excellent nutrient partioner and will help keep glyocgen sotres at normal levels.

I would change your ratios and add more carbs and drop more fat. A 40/40/20 split or even 50/40/10 is probably the best combo for both of these substances. IGF-1 will work wonders with carbs while still burning fat.
i am not taking the triac the same weeks i am taking the IGF. Are you saying i should have carbs every day and not just training days while on the igf and\or the triac?
 
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i am going to switch to the 40\40\20 at 2500 cals and up to 2700 on workout days. see how that works for the next 7 days and adjust as necessary.
 
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Sounds good. IGF-1 is made for that combo, just make sure to keep your fats as clean as possible.
 



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fats are going to come from 4 main sources - 2 tbsp flax oil at night with a blend protein - fish oil caps during the day(3 with each meal except after WO) - beef(lean cuts like round and loin) - and the occasional 2% milk.