[Longdog]

Just got mine from MR. I am considering running 25 days without androgens for body composition improvement. I'm going to start at 20mcg/day IM & only increase if needed. I know guys are reporting significant fat loss on IGF-1 L3 with maintenance cals or even slightly above.

I'm thinking of adding clen & possibly lipoderm for the abdomen. Will clen/yohimbine increase the fat loss effects of the IGF-1, or would I have to be in a defecit? I know the IGF alone will mobilize fat stores, but can I havent found any info on whether you can increase that. Any thoughts?

[goldylight]

Clen and IGF should not be mixed if i remember correctly - i will look for the reasoning and get back to you.

[serengo]

I'd use ECA with the IGF-1 R3 for 3 weeks, then clen for two weeks (w/o the igf-1 r3) then back to the ECA and IGF-1 R3. For a nice 8 week cutter.

(I know that's longer than you said you wanted to do but I wouldn't run the clen same time)

Work as if you were not using anything at all and trying to achieve the results you're after. Let the IGF-1 R3 do it's magic and you will be happy.

I'd like to hear what anyone else thinks about that cycle for cutting?

Just my .02

[FullyBuilt]

Don't mix the two. I was using about 160mcg of Clen with 40mcg IGF and a few days ago I thought I was gonna go into a diabetic comma or something. Read my post "IGF and dizzyness" I stopped the clen 2days ago and have been fine since then and still using IGF.