Anyone interested in an IGF-1 Log?
- 10-02-2009, 02:25 AM
- 10-02-2009, 05:04 AM
- 10-02-2009, 04:08 PM
10-02-2009, 04:51 PM
for sure! there realy isn't that much info out there on peoples results too, so would be great to see your thoughts and how it went for you.
what dose you running?
10-03-2009, 12:33 AM
would love to see this logged. especially first timers and using different setups and dosing.
on cycle, off cycle, in PCT....
i have a WIERD a$$ dosing chart from a "friend" that im wanting to try during my PCT in a couple of weeks
10-03-2009, 12:49 AM
My dosing I decided on is 30 mcg bi-lat. I am dosing 3 times a week, post workout, on my heavy lifting days. I am running the IGF-1 solo, alongside my test booster. It is not part of a pct; I have only done one PH cycle and is was the summer of 08.(bold+havoc) I am hoping to compliment my workout in a more natural looking manner, rather than loading on ph's or steroids directly. Albeit, I might go that route again sometime.
I started this log to hopefully legitimize the IGF-1 lr3 I procured for myself just for a personal reference. I am going to copy/paste what I have thus far, and we will take it from there.
Starting Weight 156 bf 18%
Day 1: (Thurs)Sept 24, 2009 Igf-1 80 mcg
Leg day, and I injected bilaterally intramuscular post workout into my inner quads. I am unsure if I feel any different. I was expecting to feel really hungry, since igf-1 is a gdu, but I didnít. Two hours after injection, I felt a bit light headed, but not serious. One thing to note, it is 10:30pm now, and I am thinking more clearly than I typically would at this hour by a long shot. This might be attributed to the endorphins of having a 6pm workout too. It is too early to say right now. I did not get a muscle pump from the injection.
Day 2: (Sat) Sept 26 (No IGF-1)
Friday afternoon I felt pretty run down, and after work I did not go right to bed. However, I did still get 7.5 hours of sleep. Anyhow, when I got to work Saturday morning, I felt like a truck had hit me. I did not work out, or inject. All I wanted to do was sleep. I left work early, and went home and slept for 5 hours.
Day 3(Mon) Sept 28 (30 mcg)
I did back and biceps today, I did not incorporate any cardio post workout as I normally would since I want to pin right away. I did however keep my heart rate up lifting by doing abs during my rest time on my sets, then returning for another lift after the ab set. 10 minutes post workout I pinned 15mcg per head on my bicep. I went with a much smaller dose this time to see how it affects me. I really didnít feel any positive affects like a pump at 80mcg, only hard negative ones. I am hoping to nuke the negatives, and still get the benefits. I feel alright tonight, but no pump again. My appetite is now increasing, and I had to make a 2am run to get a taco cabana fajita bowl, 1200 calories w/o the shell, good grief.
Day 4(Wed) Sept 30 (30 mcg)
Monday night, I slept 13 hours, and I woke up and didnít feel I overslept. I was craving the sleep. Tuesday, I slept a solid 9 hours and felt decent upon having to wake. I did chest/tri/shoulder today. My delts being my lagging body part, I gave them a run for their money in the gym, and pinned each post workout. I took in about 100g of fast acting carb, and 72g of protein following my pinning. Day proceeded normally, went home ate dinner, popped another protein and flax seed oil shake and went to bed.
Quasi Workout Day Oct 1 Thursday
Being I am no longer doing cardio for 20 mins at the end of each of my workouts due to the need to immediately pin, I decided to do 45 mins of it today. 10 mins of box jumps and jump rope. Then a 5 min warm up on the elliptical, followed by 12 mins of HITT. Then went to the bike and did the same thing, and proceeded to finish with a 10 min cool down to get my HR back in the 130ís on the elliptical. I did not do a carb shake post workout, just 30gís of protein in a shake and a grilled chicken sandwich. I ate lightly today. Around 1800 cals.
Day 5(Fri) Oct 2 (30 mcg)
Did legs today, nice workout over all. Pinned post workout. Same deal, no pumps yet that are out of the ordinary. Strength is up from last week, I am noticing vascularity becoming evident in places I didnít previously have it, like my chest, and my biceps. Hunger is normal still, although if I do not get in my shake within 20 mins pwo and pinning I get really light headed. I am hoping my source is legit, and isnt just straight insulin or whatnot.
10-03-2009, 05:54 PM
interested to know if u feel any intestinal growth, thats what turns me away from this so much
CELTIC LABS REP
10-03-2009, 06:01 PM
10-06-2009, 01:15 AM
Day 6(Mon) Oct 5 (30mcg)
Did a shorter but heavier back and bi day. Went up in weight purposefully today. No real update on feeling. I donít have any extra vigor in the gym, or an extraordinary pump yet. Appetite is up some, and overall Iím sleeping an extra 2 hours a night.
To answer the questions posed:
I would not at this stage at this low dose have any visable intestinal growth. I know some of the injection is going systemic, but not a whole lot of it. It is only my 5th injection. I doubt I would have any noticable growth running this dose through my 1 mg igf-1. Heck overall muscle growth is marginal, but I chose this compound because of its innate abilities, and a more natural finished product at the end of a bottle, than a steroid cycle.
10-06-2009, 06:02 PM
Weighed myself this morning, im down 2.2 lbs. Diet has been the same as pre igf-1, workout is different, no pwo cardio, so theoretically carlorie expenditure is down, but I have a weight loss. I will see if I can get my body fat done this week.
10-07-2009, 05:26 AM
Also. It's been said that the ab growth had been blown way out of proportion over the years. There would be a tonne of people, myself included, that would have warned of this after a few cycles. Grunt's sticky addresses that on page "three hundred thousand-four hundred and seventy-eight" I believe. Good luck, and thanx for sharing your log.
10-08-2009, 12:21 PM
10-09-2009, 10:42 PM
a quick edit: one thing unrelated to metabolism and weight training, unknown if this is coincidental, but my hearing has improved. I didn't notice it until yesterday, when it was probably the 3rd time I was able to overhear someone talking with alot of background noise, and chimed in the convo. Usually I have to have people repeat themselves often when they are speaking directly to me. I did 12 years of band, so my hearing is meh.
10-11-2009, 07:32 PM
156 pounds 18% BF and on IGF?? Are you using it to heal an injury?
You do realize that you have no idea what you are doing? No more for you after you are done with this course. You can easily gain mass or lose weight without doing anything, so all results will be diluted anyways.
go AAS next time.. and like after you gain 15 pounds of lean mass, which will take a year of Natual hardwork
10-11-2009, 07:53 PM
10-11-2009, 10:33 PM
<<Update on everything later, just need to copy paste it from word>>
10-11-2009, 10:38 PM
I will start low with 25g, since thats one scoop and see how it goes this next week.
10-11-2009, 11:06 PM
Weight 154 lbs bf down to 16.2%
Day 7(Wed) Oct 7 (30mcg)
Chest/Tri and Delts, pinned chest this time since I did Delts last week. Weight is down a tad, but strength is still increasing, and so is muscle fullness. Before the igf-1 stuck at the same weight each week for the most part. The increase is marginal, but a step in the right way. Sleep is still killing me, I need a lot now.
Day 8(Fri) Oct 9 (30mcg)
Changed my leg routine entirely, had nice jello legs today. Pinned calfs today. Also followed with 100g of some flavored maltro/dextro, along side 50g of protein. Appetite has plateued for now, but it is much higher than before introducing the igf-1.
Im going to do 25g as opposed to the 100g from now on upon Jake's reccomendation, and will increase it if needed.
<<Edit>> My purpose in the log is for myself to gauge progress and make appropriate adjustments. Keep in mind I am keeping it in Microsoft Word, and just copy pasting here for everyone's benefit since there doesn't seem to be a Solo IGF-1 run. I am open to any suggestions given they aren't unjustly hyper critical.
10-12-2009, 10:03 AM
10-12-2009, 06:24 PM
this will be interesting. i have found that even eating a good amount of carbs i still don't put on fat and i also get a MUCH better effect if i inject VERY soon after working out, like <5 minutes from last set. it is a noticeable difference vs. waiting even 10 minutes from last set. I also find it works better when i do morning workouts since i get to eat all day and the IGF just shuttles it into my muscles.
thanks for the log!
10-17-2009, 08:43 PM
Day 9 (Wed) Oct 14 (15mcg)
Had a very solid chest/shoulder/tri day today. Had to take Monday off due to work, so I did Mondayís workout today. Post workout when pinning, my second syringe needle bent sideways when I was drawing the nacl into the igf-1. I straightened it out, but the needle was breeched and the liquid wasnít coming out the tip. Anyway, did half my normal dose today.
Quasi workout Day Oct 15
I alternated sets of jump roping for a minute and box jumps for 10 minutes. Proceeded with 10 mins on the stairclimber, and finished with 30 mins of easy cardio on the elliptical.
Day 10(Fri) Oct 16 (30mcg)
Hammer legs today, re-implemented some fundamental exercises I had to lay off for awhile due to my back. Endurance is up considerably, my strength held steady this week, but increased reps. Next week I will increase weight to compensate. I am glad I aspirate, I pinned calves and drew blood on both. Moved to quads, and pinned there instead.
I donít like to weigh myself but once a week under the same conditions, but I did so anyway out of curiosity. Weight is hedging back up and bf is still dropping some. Subtracting out the 80mcg I ran my first day, I have enough to run this for 10 weeks at 30mcg 3 times a week. Contemplating running it for the duration.
I slept for 10 hours last night since I am off work today, I slept until I woke up natrally.
10-21-2009, 07:38 PM
10-21-2009, 09:57 PM
I'll be following your post with great curiousity. I just did my first Long R3 IGF-1 cycle about two months ago but I screwed up and reconstituted it in the sodium chloride that was sent by the company I ordered from, instead of acetic acid. Yea, I know; I'm a dumbass. Although I'm sure that the IGF-1 became unstable pretty quickly within the first two weeks I still felt some effects, one effect was a light headed feeling just like you experianced. I found that drinking some whey protien and grape juice eliminated that light headed feeling very quickly. I think I became light headed because IGF-1 shares some of the same blood sugar lowering effects that insulin has. After a while I didn't get light headed after injections, I don't know if that is because I developed a tolerance or because my IGF-1 had degraded in the sodium chloride.
Are you still getting light headed now that you have been using the IGF-1 for a while?
I wish you well on your IGF-1 cycle and thanks for the log!
By the way, for anyone who is curious about IGF-1 you may want to check out this thread if you haven't already. Grunt started it (I see that Grunt has already been mentioned in this thread) and it contains some excellent information and insightful opinions. > "My take on IGF-1" sorry I couldn't post the link, just run a search.
10-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Day 11 (Sun) Oct 18 (30mcg)
Back and bi day, endurance is up, more repetitions per set, so I will be increasing weight a bit next week. My appetite has surged, I am having a hard time not eating all the time. When I eat, if I were to completely satiate my hunger, it would be about 3x as much food as I need to be eating. So I am hungry within an hour of the last time I ate, given I have a certain amount of food I have partitioned out, which is no longer keeping me full. I am having trouble ignoring the hunger even now.
Day 12 (Wed) Oct 21 (30mcg)
Leg day today, overall very nice feeling + jello legs at the end. On my 4th set of dead lifts, I started getting what I guess are back pumps. I have never had them, so Iím not positive thatís what they were, but I had to stop mid set. I have forced myself to eat maintenance calories today; Iím augmenting meals with more vegetables. I like raw tomatoes, and they get rid of the hunger pang. Finishing off the night with some cottage cheese + tuna and a tomato =)
10-22-2009, 12:18 AM
10-22-2009, 12:21 AM
Grunt's thread is very good, I read through all his posts in it many times along with several other sources when I was originally making my decisions on igf-1.
10-23-2009, 10:52 PM
Quasi Workout Day Oct 22
Did 40 mins of cardio, Im recomping quickly. I would say, if I were to estimate the immediate effects, my results are about 3x as fast as normal. Sounds like a lot, but in terms of AAS, were you can put on 20 lbs in 4 weeks around 10-12x a normal rate, 3x is nice and moderate. In 3.5 months I dropped 4% bf and put on 6 lbs scale weight naturally. 4 weeks on this stuff, I have stayed the same scale weight but dropped 2.5% bf.
Day 13 (Fri) Oct 23 (40mcg)
Chest/tri/shoulders today, I increased weight this week and maintained reps. Someone I know saw me in the locker room, and asked how much weight I gained this month, and told them none to their surprise. I am bigger all over. I dosed a little bit higher today. I ordered new syringes online, since the Walgreens was giving me a hard time every time I tried to buy slin syringes. Same 50 unit syringes, but holy crap the needle is Ĺ” now. I was actually scared to poke myself today. While working out today, my middle right knuckle is sore/stiff. No other knuckles or joints effected other than that one.
10-24-2009, 10:11 AM
10-25-2009, 12:42 AM
I had planned on doing Cardio today, but without proper rest the night before, I felt zonked. Going to bed early tonight, so I can have a good workout tomorrow.
10-28-2009, 05:23 AM
Thanks for the reply Anomaly
my results are about 3x as fast as normal. Sounds like a lot, but in terms of AAS, were you can put on 20 lbs in 4 weeks around 10-12x a normal rate, 3x is nice and moderate.
The gains from IGF-1 may seem moderate in comparison to AAS in the short term but consider that IGF-1 causes hyperplasia (creation of new muscle cells) while AAS only causes hypertrophy (growth of existing muscle cells). The gains in lean body weight should continue long after the use of IGF-1 is discontinued because you have created new muscle cells that will take a while to mature and grow. I read about a study on rats that were either injected with IGF-1 or subjected to resistance training. The rats that were injected with IGF-1 and the resistance trained rats gained similar amounts of muscle mass but when the the IGF-1 administration and the resistance training was discontinued the resistance trained rats quickly lost the the muscle mass that they had gained while the rats that were injected with IGF-1 didn't lose any muscle mass at all. This study shows that not only is IGF-1 a potent anabolic substance but it also has effects that continue to manifest long after its use is discontinued.
Another thing to consider when comparing the results of IGF-1 with AAS is that if the AAS being used aromatizes much of the weight you gain from it is probably water weight. In terms of strength gains androgens have a strong effect on the nervous system that increases certain neuro-transmitters which increases muscle recruitment, also androgens increase aggression which makes you crave some heavy weight to lift. These specific effects of AAS are all temporary. IGF-1 doesn't have any of these effects so strength gains may not be very noticeable. In contrast, IGF-1 may permantly increase your genetic potential to gain muscle mass.
I imagine that you already learned all of this through your research but I thought that I would mention these facts so as to join the conversation comparing the results of AAS versus IGF-1. I also wrote this hoping to get you more excited about your results from the IGF-1. Either way, isn't it great to use an anabolic substance that doesn't make your balls shink?!
10-30-2009, 01:47 AM
I will have an update this weekend. I haven't had a day off since tues the 20th.
Stat update as of today though: 155 lbs and 15% bf. For those just tuning in I started at 156 lbs and 18% bf back sept the 26th. I am doing 1/4 the cardio I was before I started the IGF-1, due to having to pin immediatly post workout, and still dropping fat.
Decided to do the math:
In 36 Days.....
127 lb lbm
Very nice recomp material, just as others have claimed.
10-30-2009, 07:17 AM
I just ordered some long R3 IGF-1 tonight and I can't wait to start using it in a few days.
10-30-2009, 08:00 AM
products in the past and currently have been using boldione, 1AD, estra-diene-dione, h-drol, superdrol, and epistane (not all at the same time , I'm not quite that crazy) for a little more than a month. I have experianced a little testicular atrophy during this cycle as well as during past cycles. My balls always regain their usual size pretty quickly during post-cycle therapy.
Even though I have had great results using these supplements/drugs and have not suffered any long term side effects (as far as I know anyways) I would not recommend using these substances, especially the methylated ones, to a young person who is making progress naturally or is using something safer like IGF-1. I suspect that in terms of risk versus benefit IGF-1 is far superior to AAS. I believe that non-androgenic performance enhancing drugs such as IGF-1, mechano-growth factor, growth hormone, selective androgen receptor modulators, and gene doping protocols will be the preferred method of the future athlete/fitness enthusiast to enhance their training and performance. The method you are using now is the way of the future; one small step for Anomaly, one giant leap for mankind. I think that it is awesome that people like yourself are educated enough and brave enough to try a substance as new and advanced as IGF-1 without first using the performance enhancing drugs that have been around for decades.
10-30-2009, 01:52 PM
10-30-2009, 01:52 PM
10-30-2009, 05:22 PM
don't be ashamed bro, this board is anonymous, nobody is going to talk $hit anyway. IGF Is great stuff and very interesting, if you're anything like me you'll find the mirror to really show the gains and not the scale, gains are slow and steady but you can KEEP them. thanks for the log!
10-30-2009, 05:58 PM
great Great GREAT GREAT thread that should be required reading before anyone does peptides, wish I had found this before I did
thanks whoever posted this!
10-30-2009, 11:58 PM
10-31-2009, 01:31 PM
Sorry I was just feeling cranky at the time. There were several things I took exception to, but NBD.
11-01-2009, 05:09 AM
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