HGH and height increase at 18
- 05-06-2011, 10:47 PM
GHenerate + Free I-GH-1 package sold online would be better for height increase then....
Cjc-1295 x 75mcg x 3 a day and ghrp-2 x 200mcg x 3 a day
- 05-06-2011, 10:59 PM
CJC 1295 (no DAC) 75mcgs + Hexarelin 75mcgs + The extra supplements, like cortisol , PRL, fluoride blockers etc will be more extremely more powerful than Generate + IGH-1.
You could theoretically dose HEX 3 times a day, and skip the GHRP-2, since HEX when dosed before sleep, increases cortisol and prl, which is counter productive to bone growth, but with the cortisol and prl blockers, you theoretically block them (assuming how much cortisol/prl your body will produce)
So you can experience the power of the pi3k activation and GH -> IGF-1, power HEX will give you, at a critical time such as sleep, when most of the growing will be done.
Aswell as Hexarelin being the potent GH producer out of the GHRPs.
- 05-06-2011, 11:03 PM
05-06-2011, 11:33 PM
Hexarelin only increases cortisol and prolactin, during a PRE-BED dose from one of the studies ive read, before sleep, its fine to dose it in the morning and noon.
You want to take Hexarelin because its a potent activator of the pi3k pathway, it activates the "pi3k pathway" which is responsible for quite a bit of longitude bone growth.
Yes you use the blockers to keep the counteractive effects of Hexarelin and the daily grind at bay.
The Fluoride blockers are (Note** they dont totally remove fluoride from your body, but they will remove a good amount of it away from your bones, teeth, and pineal gland and w/e else fluoride is stored in your body, you will DEFINITELY need this to achieve bone growth and neurogenesis) -
Tumeric Powder (this is in indian foods, especially currys, it helps kill fluoride, if you can get this by itself use THIS to brush your teeth instead)
COD Fish Oil
Dont worry about buying a "Water filter" they may claim to remove fluoride from the water supply in your house, but no water purifier/filter actually does remove fluoride.
Prolactin Blockers -
DOPA Mucuna by NOW Foods- You can get this from Nutraplanet
Cortisol Blockers -
EndoAmp Max - Primordial Performance - You can get this from Nutraplanet
Erase - Performance Enhancing Supplements - Nutraplanet
Foods Best to stay away from -
Milk/Dairy in general
Junk food in general
If you could stay away from red meat, and eat fish, and to a lesser extent chicken, then that will be very good.
Goods foods -
Herbs/Veggies (is where your calcium should come from, herbs are packed with calcium that your bone can actually use)
Anything vegetarin with fish and to a lesser extent chicken is good.
Also add in -
MSM and Chondroitin - NOW FOODS- Nutraplanet
SAM-e - - NOW FOODS - Nutraplanet
Creatine Mono -A Standard one will be fine - Nutraplanet
BCAA's - A Standard one will be fine - Nutraplanet
It will also help a lot if you had an N.O product, for better blood flow, which will help greatly, not a lot of N.O products are really legit tho, but Amplify 02 is pretty good, i recommend that - Need2BuildMuscle
Now thats just the info im gathering from the studies i've read, i've also read studies where, HEX doesnt cause de-sensitization, doesn't increase PRL, and actually decreases cortisol.
But it's best to take these pre-cautions since its not guaranteed and its best to be prepared just incase HEX does cause a slight rise in cortisol and PRL.
05-07-2011, 03:19 AM
And if your really desperate for height, the steroids, Anavar, Oxandrolone, Letrozole (this will slow down estrogen sealing your growth plates) and Sustanoon 250, will give you height, a max of about 3-4 inches, but one the cycle is over, thats pretty much GAME OVER, for continuing to grow after that, im not against steroids, but from the studies ive read, they help "kids with short stature" in growing taller but "long term growth is stunted" as in overall long term "growth"
IMO i think the peptides are a far better choice, since they stimulate your own GH production, cheaper, easier to get a hold of, and you can use them for a very very very long time AND they also increase your I.Q and brain power through neurogenesis!!!!
Also the C-type natriuretic peptide (CNP) regulates endochondral bone growth, and from the studies ive read, im pretty sure Niacin and Melatonin is a CNP stimulator, so is GH -> IGF-1 and the Pi3k pathway.
I ALSO FORGOT, add HUPERZINE A to the stack aswell, you will definitely need it
You will definitely grow taller with these compounds even if its over the course of 2 years what height do you want exactly tho ? 6'1?
Dont worry about Acromegaly, you have to be born with the genes to pick it up.
We're really small for our ages, so we won't get it, also don't worry about horizontal bone growth, since the blockers and extra supplements, will open up the metaphorically "locked doors" in your body for longitude bone growth instead of horizontal bone growth as long as you take the blockers and extra supps it will be fine , from the studies ive read.
Oh and here are the sports/physical activities you will need to do (Anti-Gravity training) -
Sleeping (WITHOUT A PILLOW, so the spine can stretch out, since during the day you head/spine is fully straightened out its only when you go to sleep, and sleep with your head on the pillow that the spine has slight tilt up, thats not natural, you NEED to sleep without a pillow for max growth)
Doing the monkey bars for at least 20-30 minutes, wear gloves when you do it, since it causes blisters on your hands, and it stings your hands , it stung mine :P.
Doing Push Ups
If you play basketball that helps, but its not "basketball" that helps, its all the sprinting, quick turning and jumping that helps, you can do all those activities outside of basketball, but if you play b-ball it saves time, i dont play b-ball.
And cycling for 30-60 minutes a day, real cycling outside, not stationery.
Keep "ejaculation" down to a max of 2 times a week since the IGF-1 will go into repairing your semen instead of the bones, but i guess you could theoretically supplement with Zinc/Multi after ejaculation, just depends how important growing taller is to you :P.
Dont, not-ejaculate, since you need to keep your feedback loop positive, just minimise it to 2 times a week.
05-07-2011, 02:12 PM
hoping to reach 5'8 haha nothing to drastic. I dont mind being under 6ft just because i get the wider look but at 5'6 im around the same height as most girls and below most guys i'd just like to get into the average range.
05-07-2011, 07:50 PM
5'8 ? Ahh, well you should be able to achieve 5'8 in around 2-3 months
And don't forget the MSM and chondrititon and Huperzine A, you'll need those definitely those aswell .
You should use the GHRP * GHRH, even after you achieve your desired height.
Because of the "neurogenesis" your body will under go.
PAY CLOSE attention when your on these peptides, to how you learn and how you memorize things.
It will enhance your memory/intellgience INCREDIBLY because of the IGF-2 your body will be producing, aswell as evertyhing else working in synergy with eachother!!!
05-08-2011, 02:32 AM
I still can't post links, ahh well, when i start my log in a week or 2, i'll be able to post up the links to the studies, where GH compounds induce longitude bone growth, and how to re-activate the chondrocytes on the growth plates, and how to dose it right for growing taller .
06-21-2011, 10:56 PM
@PhenomHCL and everyone else willing to share their opinion
Hi, I'm 18, female, and 5'2". I would like to get to 5'8" before I turn 21 (hopefully by 20). I have been stretching and doing yoga for about a year, but daily starting this past month. I also eat vegetables, fish, grains, nuts, etc. and no meat for four years, so I'm good with the nutrition and stretching. I still have to improve my sleeping habits.
I wanted an opinion on whether using Hexarelin will really increase my height. I'm certain that in the next three years I will probably grow one to two more inches with all the stretching/yoga, but could I get to 5'8"? Without using Hexarelin?
06-22-2011, 07:13 PM
I've been considering some peptides but if they will increase my height I'm not sure I want them, 6'5" is tall enough for me.
07-11-2011, 06:53 PM
Hey, man. I've been following this post for a while. I'm really interested in the supplements and other things you posted. The only problem is that you put SO many different ones down through a couple of different posts. Also, I'm not exactly sure what amounts (or even when) I should take them. So , what I'm asking you, please, is to give us this plethora of information in a nice list? with a suggested dose? Thanks A LOT!
07-23-2011, 02:30 PM
Using this method, although the only method that would actually work, will also cause your nose to grow, and your ears. It causes growth everywhere through cell division. Not something I wanna mess with. It Also increases the risk for cancer. I stand at 6'2. It's not as much of a worry for me, but who wouldn't want to be taller.
07-23-2011, 03:41 PM
I grew an inch from 21 to 22. 5'8" to 5'9". I was stoked when I measured my height recently. Thought I was stuck at 5'8" when I hit 20 years old.
08-19-2011, 04:12 AM
02-18-2012, 06:21 PM
02-28-2012, 12:45 AM
02-29-2012, 01:37 AM
hey so I was wondering if you are not deficient in hgh but you are just naturally short why can't hgh work and make you taller?
02-29-2012, 12:29 PM
02-29-2012, 12:36 PM
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Thought you guys might find this interesting- a little food for thought:
in Endocrinol (Oxf). 2006 May;64(5):510-3. Treatment with the aromatase inhibitor letrozole during adolescence increases near-final height in boys with constitutional delay of puberty.
Hero M, Wickman S, Dunkel L.
Hospital for Children and Adolescents, Helsinki University Central Hospital, Helsinki, Finland.
We investigated whether inhibition of oestrogen biosynthesis with the aromatase inhibitor, letrozole, during adolescence improves near-final height in boys with constitutional delay of puberty.
PATIENTS AND METHODS:
Seventeen boys with constitutional delay of puberty were randomized to receive testosterone (T) enanthate (1 mg/kg i.m.) every 4 weeks for 6 months in combination with placebo (Pl, n = 8), or the aromatase inhibitor letrozole (Lz, 2.5 mg/day orally) (n = 9), for 12 months. After treatment, patients were followed up until near-final height. Height discrepancy was calculated as near-final height minus mid-parental target height.
The primary end point was the difference in near-final height between the groups treated either with T + Pl or T + Lz. Secondarily, height discrepancy and gain in height standard deviation score (SDS) were analysed in both groups.
Boys treated with T + Lz reached a higher mean near-final height than did boys on T + Pl (175.8 vs. 169.1 cm, respectively, P = 0.04). In T + Lz-treated boys, mean near-final height did not differ from their mid-parental target height (175.8 vs. 177.1 cm, P = 0.38), whereas in T + Pl-treated boys, mean near-final height was lower than mid-parental target height (169.1 vs. 173.9 cm, P = 0.007). T + Lz-treated boys had a greater increment in height SDS over the pretreatment height SDS than T + Pl-treated boys (+1.4 SDS vs.+0.8 SDS, P = 0.03).
Our findings indicate that in adolescent boys an increase in adult height can be attained by use of aromatase inhibitors.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Dec;90(12):6396-402. Epub 2005 Sep 27.
Inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis with a potent aromatase inhibitor increases predicted adult height in boys with idiopathic short stature: a randomized controlled trial.
Hero M, Norjavaara E, Dunkel L.
Hospital for Children and Adolescents, University of Helsinki, Finland.
In males as well as in females, estrogen is an essential regulator of bone maturation, growth plate fusion, and cessation of longitudinal growth. Therefore, an increase in predicted adult height (PAH) may be achieved in short boys by blocking estrogen biosynthesis.
We tested the hypothesis that a decrease in the rate of bone maturation and an increase in PAH can be achieved in boys with idiopathic short stature (ISS) by the method of blocking estrogen biosynthesis with an aromatase inhibitor. Secondarily, we investigated the effects of aromatase inhibition on bone mineralization.
This was a prospective, double-blind, randomized, placebo (Pl)-controlled clinical study.
The study was performed at a university hospital out-patient clinic.
Thirty-one boys, aged 9.0-14.5 yr, with ISS were studied.
The boys were treated with the aromatase inhibitor letrozole (Lz; 2.5 mg/d) or Pl for 2 yr.
MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE:
The main outcome measure was the change in PAH after 24 months of treatment.
PAH increased by 5.9 cm (P < 0.0001), and height SD score for bone age increased by 0.7 SD score (P < 0.0001) in the Lz-treated boys, whereas no changes occurred in the respective measures in Pl-treated boys. Areal bone mineral density of the lumbar spine and femoral neck, assessed by dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry, increased in a similar fashion in both groups during the treatment, whereas bone mineral apparent density increased only in those taking Lz (median increase, 4.3%; P = 0.009).
Treatment with the aromatase inhibitor Lz delays bone maturation and improves PAH in boys with ISS. No adverse effects on bone mineralization were evident after 2 yr of treatment.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Mar;93(3):823-31. Epub 2007 Dec 28.
Anastrozole increases predicted adult height of short adolescent males treated with growth hormone: a randomized, placebo-controlled, multicenter trial for one to three years.
Mauras N, Gonzalez de Pijem L, Hsiang HY, Desrosiers P, Rapaport R, Schwartz ID, Klein KO, Singh RJ, Miyamoto A, Bishop K.
Nemours Children's Clinic, Division of Endocrinology, 807 Children's Way, Jacksonville, Florida 32207, USA. email@example.com
The process of epiphyseal fusion during puberty is regulated by estrogen, even in males.
Our objective was to investigate whether anastrozole, a potent aromatase inhibitor, could delay bone age acceleration and increase predicted adult height in adolescent boys with GH deficiency.
Fifty-two adolescent males with GH deficiency treated with GH were randomized to cotreatment with anastrozole or placebo daily for up to 36 months.
Fifty subjects completed 12 months, 41 completed 24 months, and 28 completed 36 months. Linear growth was comparable between groups; however, there was a significantly slower increase in bone age advancement from baseline in the anastrozole group vs. placebo group after 2 yr (+1.8+/-0.1 vs. +2.7+/-0.1 yr, P<0.0001) and after 3 yr (+2.5+/-0.2 vs. +4.1+/-0.1 yr, P<0.0001). This resulted in a net increase in predicted adult height of +4.5+/-1.2 cm in the anastrozole group at 24 months and +6.7+/-1.4 cm at 36 months as compared with a 1-cm gain at both time points in the placebo group. Estradiol and estrone concentrations increased less in the anastrozole group compared with placebo group. All boys on the aromatase inhibitor had normal tempo of virilization. Safety data, including glucose, and plasma lipid concentrations were comparable between groups.
Anastrozole increases adult height potential of adolescent boys on GH therapy while maintaining normal pubertal progression after 2-3 yr. This treatment offers an alternative in promoting growth in GH-deficient boys in puberty. Long-term follow up is needed to elucidate fully the safety and efficacy of this approach.
Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals
02-29-2012, 10:09 PM
would androgens stop growth plates permanently?
02-29-2012, 10:15 PM
02-29-2012, 10:59 PM
so pi3k won't work once it has been closed?
03-03-2012, 08:07 PM
03-03-2012, 11:25 PM
07-20-2012, 08:55 PM
07-27-2012, 01:12 PM
Let me tell you something guys:THE ONLY COMPANY APPROVED by chinese ministry of health to produce(and have the extremely expensive technology) to produce recombinant growth hormone is gensci and their product is Jintropin.Please,don't take it the wrong way, in not advertising but all these:riptopin,trimatropin,hyg etropin.....pfff ect chinese stuffs are fakes.The have a 192 sequence hormone with some melatonin derivate inside them to have better slep.The technology is very expensive.So the only way is to buy this with a prescription send to them by email from your doctor(any doctor, dosen't have to be an endocrynologist, they can' really verify).The only reason i posted this is to help you eoples dont give 400-500$ per month for something fake so plz admins, to not delete this.And even so, the chinese stuffs will have a slower, weaker effect than major brands of europe and USA but they will do the job.hope this helps.
07-27-2012, 01:38 PM
This is 100000% correct!! I made a thread about the same point with igf-1 on the igf section.192-aa gh can make terrible side effects because the body fights against the unknown virus.192 is not similar to human gh. Kefei for example don't even make a secret out of it that they make 192-aa gh. One word to hygetropin: these company make huge batches of hgh with all kind of top colour and without label. Reseller around the world buy it like that and label it. There you have your "rigtropin, riptropin, blue tops, red tops almost everything that is not pharmaceutical grade.Originally Posted by bernard_1945
08-04-2012, 11:29 AM
12-17-2012, 06:29 AM
12-18-2012, 10:07 AM
Please understand, NO OVER THE COUNTER supplement will EVER make you grow.
12-18-2012, 10:13 AM
Re: HGH and height increase at 18
12-18-2012, 10:15 AM
12-18-2012, 10:49 AM
Re: HGH and height increase at 18
12-30-2012, 08:48 PM
12-30-2012, 09:06 PM
06-07-2013, 10:23 AM
I know this thread is old but has anyone here tried this stack yet with any success and i wouldn't recommend herperzine A as a somatostatin inhibitor cause it stuff your brain, it really can mess up your brain. e.g. " I've been diagnosed with depression with schizophrenoid features (voices and all that) and one thing that has made the psychotic features noticably, drastically worse, is Huperzine A. According to my understanding, the NMDA pathways are implicated somewhat in schizophrenia as malfunctioning. Huperzine A is a noncompetitive NMDA receptor antagonist, and this would be my guess as to the source of the problem."
Therefore it'd be best to take either l-arginine, preferably arginine pyroglutamate lysine since it can increase hgh secretion by 700 percent and would be good to cycle it with naicin by taking one one day and taking the other the next so that the body doesn't get use to it. acetly choline is also great a somatostin inhibitor but really inhibiting it isn't really neccesary "as somatostation allows the buildup of GH to occur. When somatostatin backs down, GH is able to be released as a pulse."
Also you could theoretically substitute hex with Ipamorelin since it's a third generation peptide and doesn't increase cortisol and prolactin but still should be a potent pi3k activator as are most ghrelin mimetics from what i have found, especially if you can obtain the peptide ghrelin it self.
As for a fluoride blocker i would suggest taking chlorella as it a super-food know to cleanse the body of heavy metal deposits, pollutants and radicals within the body, as well as a possible pi3k activator and if bought in bulk can also be a better substitute for meat since it has allot more protein and many other Amino acids and nutrients required by the body.
07-23-2013, 09:12 PM
hey I AM about to start the stack. I m 29 btw. Yea I know sounds crazy. By I ll let you know.
08-26-2013, 08:50 PM
and hows that treating you?
09-07-2013, 03:07 PM
Bump, someone I knew as a kid got put on GH for being short... after 2 years they grew 2 inch's over their predicted height.
05-28-2014, 10:07 PM
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