HGH and height increase at 18
- 02-03-2011, 09:47 PM
- 03-20-2011, 12:02 PM
Hey Guys, Im just looking for some insight. Im 16, and I'm 5'9 almost 5'10. My moms side of the family are all short ( I'm taller then them all ), but my dads side are really tall. The heights range from 6'( my dad ), to his 2 brothers ( 6'4, and 6'8 ) and my grandpa is 6'2. I play football, and im a stockier guy ( i weigh about 240 pounds ) But I'm just wondering what i can expect my height to be once im about done growing. Im really worried that i wont grow too much anymore.
05-03-2011, 09:44 PM
05-05-2011, 09:55 AM
If you want to grow taller, your best best would be this stack -
Hexarelin 50mcg x morning (potent pi3k activator = bone growth after epiphyseal have become inactive, if theyre inactive use the SAM-e,MSM and Chon, to re-activate them via DNA Methylation, if your growth plates are still active then you will grow VERY tall with HEX)
GHRP-2 50mcg x3 morning, noon and pre-bed
CJC 1295 (w/o DAC) 100mcg x3 morning, noon and pre-bed
SAM-e (For the DNA methylation and cell proliferation on the ephisyeal plates)
MSM & chondroitin (DNA methylation again ^^)
Huperzine A (somatostatin inhibitor)
Generate and IGH1 - LG Sciences (mild pi3k activator only use 1 bottle of each they max out after 1 bottle you wont gain anything after 1 bottle of each)
Niacin 500mg - pre bed
Melatonin 3mg - pre bed
Test Drive or another test booster/estro reducer
And ofcourse good eating, sleep, protein, hanging on the monkey bars, and basketball or other LJSL type exercises, and avoid milk/dairy/sodas/junk food/white sugar/teas/coffees if you can,and it will greatly increase your height.
That stack can make you 1-2 inches in a month, by working through IGF-1 and the pi3k activator, HEX is a really potent pi3k activator so it only needs to be used in the morning @ 50mcg, since it also increases cortisol, prolactin and desensitization, so its best if used once daily @ 50mcg.
I know this is a BBing forum but you'll also need to reduce your lifting to 1 or 2 times a week, since the IGF-1 will go into healing your muscles instead of giving you the longitude bone growth that you want, and cut ejaculation down to, just to 2 times a week.
There are 2 more compounds, that can make you grow taller, but none of us are able to access it unless your an MD or a Biochemist or someone whos really deep down the rabbit hole in the medical industry, im a Programmer so i obviously cannot get these compounds, but if you can, they are " Methylprotodioscin" and "Dimethylicaritin" if you use those 2 compounds you wont need to use the above stack i mentioned earlier.
I'm not the "maker" of this info, im short for my height aswell, and did a lot of searching on the internet, reading pubmed, datbtrues articles, russianstars experiences and all these other guys who have posted info in relation to the GHRP compounds.
A lot of this info tho, comes from a guy called "xcrunner" who is a Biochemist who came to the growtallforums and shared this info with us, he was 5'5 but now stands at 6'2 (a lot of people critisized him, but he was redeemed by the medical journals backing up his evidence and claims), he recently left the forums tho, but he has taught us a lot, and we remember everything that hes shared, so hopefully, this could help you guys out aswell .
05-06-2011, 05:54 AM
And another thing i forget to mention.
Make sure you take a Multi,Iodine,Melatonin and Niacin,Potassium tablet after showering/brushing teeth.
Since fluoride is counter productive to longitude bone growth, growth hormone,igf-1 and overall intelligence, if you can take them after showering/brushing teeth, it will get most of the fluoride in your body out of it and get the fluoride out of your pineal gland aswell.
Milk/dairy is also bad for the body, since when you consume milk it makes your bones secrete the calcium currently stored in your bones to counter-act against milk, since mammals arent meant to drink milk once weened.
Pi3k and bone growth -
I can't post links but go to google and type in "Pi3k pathway and bone growth"
One thing xcrunner told us, was that the growth plates never actually seal, but become "inactive" and to "re-active" them, you can take MSM & chondroitin and SAM-e to reactive them.
Go to google and type in "MSM chondroitin chondrocytes pubmed" for some studies.
HEX will make you taller even tho your plates are inactive, but it will make you taller quicker if theyre active.
Add GHRP-2 and CJC 1295 (no DAC) for the main GH and IGF-1 production, it will also make you smarter because of neurogenesis aswell :P, kill 2 birds with 1 stone huh.
05-06-2011, 02:48 PM
05-06-2011, 07:52 PM
Well i would have tried this out earlier, but seeing as how i live in Australia (the worst place ever ) whenever i order peptides it gets taken at customs.
I however found another place, that has a lab in australia, but they're currently out of stock for the next 2 weeks.
So in 2 weeks, i'll order and then finally be able to test it out, i'll log it when i do.
I used to actually be 5'2 in September of last year, but using Generate and IGH-1 got me up to 5'5 by November, i've ordered more Generate and IGH-1 since then (about 5 bottles more), and i havent grown using those extra bottles, xcrunner said so aswell, Generate and IGH-1 help only once.
05-06-2011, 08:03 PM
05-06-2011, 08:25 PM
Lol, yeah im trying to go on a study abroad thing for next year at college, Australia is a pretty awful place to live.
I'd like to be 6'1 with some leet muscles when i do tho.
Im 18, turning 19 in Aug.
Hexarelin 10mg (5 x 2mg bottles)
GHRP-2 10mg (2 x 5mg bottles)
CJC 1295 (w/o DAC) (5 x 2mg bottles)
Bacteriostatic Water (2 x 30ml)
Insulin Needles (10 pack x 12)
From the source it is $306.55 USD.
And then add in the other supps like fluoride blockers, cortisol and PRL blockers and some creatine etc from Nutraplanet + shipping, thats another $200-250
So about $550 all up.
05-06-2011, 10:20 PM
05-06-2011, 11:47 PM
GHenerate + Free I-GH-1 package sold online would be better for height increase then....
Cjc-1295 x 75mcg x 3 a day and ghrp-2 x 200mcg x 3 a day
05-06-2011, 11:59 PM
CJC 1295 (no DAC) 75mcgs + Hexarelin 75mcgs + The extra supplements, like cortisol , PRL, fluoride blockers etc will be more extremely more powerful than Generate + IGH-1.
You could theoretically dose HEX 3 times a day, and skip the GHRP-2, since HEX when dosed before sleep, increases cortisol and prl, which is counter productive to bone growth, but with the cortisol and prl blockers, you theoretically block them (assuming how much cortisol/prl your body will produce)
So you can experience the power of the pi3k activation and GH -> IGF-1, power HEX will give you, at a critical time such as sleep, when most of the growing will be done.
Aswell as Hexarelin being the potent GH producer out of the GHRPs.
05-07-2011, 12:03 AM
05-07-2011, 12:33 AM
Hexarelin only increases cortisol and prolactin, during a PRE-BED dose from one of the studies ive read, before sleep, its fine to dose it in the morning and noon.
You want to take Hexarelin because its a potent activator of the pi3k pathway, it activates the "pi3k pathway" which is responsible for quite a bit of longitude bone growth.
Yes you use the blockers to keep the counteractive effects of Hexarelin and the daily grind at bay.
The Fluoride blockers are (Note** they dont totally remove fluoride from your body, but they will remove a good amount of it away from your bones, teeth, and pineal gland and w/e else fluoride is stored in your body, you will DEFINITELY need this to achieve bone growth and neurogenesis) -
Tumeric Powder (this is in indian foods, especially currys, it helps kill fluoride, if you can get this by itself use THIS to brush your teeth instead)
COD Fish Oil
Dont worry about buying a "Water filter" they may claim to remove fluoride from the water supply in your house, but no water purifier/filter actually does remove fluoride.
Prolactin Blockers -
DOPA Mucuna by NOW Foods- You can get this from Nutraplanet
Cortisol Blockers -
EndoAmp Max - Primordial Performance - You can get this from Nutraplanet
Erase - Performance Enhancing Supplements - Nutraplanet
Foods Best to stay away from -
Milk/Dairy in general
Junk food in general
If you could stay away from red meat, and eat fish, and to a lesser extent chicken, then that will be very good.
Goods foods -
Herbs/Veggies (is where your calcium should come from, herbs are packed with calcium that your bone can actually use)
Anything vegetarin with fish and to a lesser extent chicken is good.
Also add in -
MSM and Chondroitin - NOW FOODS- Nutraplanet
SAM-e - - NOW FOODS - Nutraplanet
Creatine Mono -A Standard one will be fine - Nutraplanet
BCAA's - A Standard one will be fine - Nutraplanet
It will also help a lot if you had an N.O product, for better blood flow, which will help greatly, not a lot of N.O products are really legit tho, but Amplify 02 is pretty good, i recommend that - Need2BuildMuscle
Now thats just the info im gathering from the studies i've read, i've also read studies where, HEX doesnt cause de-sensitization, doesn't increase PRL, and actually decreases cortisol.
But it's best to take these pre-cautions since its not guaranteed and its best to be prepared just incase HEX does cause a slight rise in cortisol and PRL.
05-07-2011, 04:19 AM
And if your really desperate for height, the steroids, Anavar, Oxandrolone, Letrozole (this will slow down estrogen sealing your growth plates) and Sustanoon 250, will give you height, a max of about 3-4 inches, but one the cycle is over, thats pretty much GAME OVER, for continuing to grow after that, im not against steroids, but from the studies ive read, they help "kids with short stature" in growing taller but "long term growth is stunted" as in overall long term "growth"
IMO i think the peptides are a far better choice, since they stimulate your own GH production, cheaper, easier to get a hold of, and you can use them for a very very very long time AND they also increase your I.Q and brain power through neurogenesis!!!!
Also the C-type natriuretic peptide (CNP) regulates endochondral bone growth, and from the studies ive read, im pretty sure Niacin and Melatonin is a CNP stimulator, so is GH -> IGF-1 and the Pi3k pathway.
I ALSO FORGOT, add HUPERZINE A to the stack aswell, you will definitely need it
You will definitely grow taller with these compounds even if its over the course of 2 years what height do you want exactly tho ? 6'1?
Dont worry about Acromegaly, you have to be born with the genes to pick it up.
We're really small for our ages, so we won't get it, also don't worry about horizontal bone growth, since the blockers and extra supplements, will open up the metaphorically "locked doors" in your body for longitude bone growth instead of horizontal bone growth as long as you take the blockers and extra supps it will be fine , from the studies ive read.
Oh and here are the sports/physical activities you will need to do (Anti-Gravity training) -
Sleeping (WITHOUT A PILLOW, so the spine can stretch out, since during the day you head/spine is fully straightened out its only when you go to sleep, and sleep with your head on the pillow that the spine has slight tilt up, thats not natural, you NEED to sleep without a pillow for max growth)
Doing the monkey bars for at least 20-30 minutes, wear gloves when you do it, since it causes blisters on your hands, and it stings your hands , it stung mine :P.
Doing Push Ups
If you play basketball that helps, but its not "basketball" that helps, its all the sprinting, quick turning and jumping that helps, you can do all those activities outside of basketball, but if you play b-ball it saves time, i dont play b-ball.
And cycling for 30-60 minutes a day, real cycling outside, not stationery.
Keep "ejaculation" down to a max of 2 times a week since the IGF-1 will go into repairing your semen instead of the bones, but i guess you could theoretically supplement with Zinc/Multi after ejaculation, just depends how important growing taller is to you :P.
Dont, not-ejaculate, since you need to keep your feedback loop positive, just minimise it to 2 times a week.
05-07-2011, 03:12 PM
hoping to reach 5'8 haha nothing to drastic. I dont mind being under 6ft just because i get the wider look but at 5'6 im around the same height as most girls and below most guys i'd just like to get into the average range.
05-07-2011, 08:50 PM
5'8 ? Ahh, well you should be able to achieve 5'8 in around 2-3 months
And don't forget the MSM and chondrititon and Huperzine A, you'll need those definitely those aswell .
You should use the GHRP * GHRH, even after you achieve your desired height.
Because of the "neurogenesis" your body will under go.
PAY CLOSE attention when your on these peptides, to how you learn and how you memorize things.
It will enhance your memory/intellgience INCREDIBLY because of the IGF-2 your body will be producing, aswell as evertyhing else working in synergy with eachother!!!
05-08-2011, 03:32 AM
I still can't post links, ahh well, when i start my log in a week or 2, i'll be able to post up the links to the studies, where GH compounds induce longitude bone growth, and how to re-activate the chondrocytes on the growth plates, and how to dose it right for growing taller .
06-21-2011, 11:56 PM
@PhenomHCL and everyone else willing to share their opinion
Hi, I'm 18, female, and 5'2". I would like to get to 5'8" before I turn 21 (hopefully by 20). I have been stretching and doing yoga for about a year, but daily starting this past month. I also eat vegetables, fish, grains, nuts, etc. and no meat for four years, so I'm good with the nutrition and stretching. I still have to improve my sleeping habits.
I wanted an opinion on whether using Hexarelin will really increase my height. I'm certain that in the next three years I will probably grow one to two more inches with all the stretching/yoga, but could I get to 5'8"? Without using Hexarelin?
06-22-2011, 08:13 PM
I've been considering some peptides but if they will increase my height I'm not sure I want them, 6'5" is tall enough for me.
07-11-2011, 07:53 PM
Hey, man. I've been following this post for a while. I'm really interested in the supplements and other things you posted. The only problem is that you put SO many different ones down through a couple of different posts. Also, I'm not exactly sure what amounts (or even when) I should take them. So , what I'm asking you, please, is to give us this plethora of information in a nice list? with a suggested dose? Thanks A LOT!
07-23-2011, 03:30 PM
Using this method, although the only method that would actually work, will also cause your nose to grow, and your ears. It causes growth everywhere through cell division. Not something I wanna mess with. It Also increases the risk for cancer. I stand at 6'2. It's not as much of a worry for me, but who wouldn't want to be taller.
07-23-2011, 04:41 PM
I grew an inch from 21 to 22. 5'8" to 5'9". I was stoked when I measured my height recently. Thought I was stuck at 5'8" when I hit 20 years old.
08-19-2011, 05:12 AM
02-18-2012, 07:21 PM
02-28-2012, 01:45 AM
02-29-2012, 02:37 AM
hey so I was wondering if you are not deficient in hgh but you are just naturally short why can't hgh work and make you taller?
02-29-2012, 01:29 PM
02-29-2012, 01:36 PM
Thought you guys might find this interesting- a little food for thought:
in Endocrinol (Oxf). 2006 May;64(5):510-3. Treatment with the aromatase inhibitor letrozole during adolescence increases near-final height in boys with constitutional delay of puberty.
Hero M, Wickman S, Dunkel L.
Hospital for Children and Adolescents, Helsinki University Central Hospital, Helsinki, Finland.
We investigated whether inhibition of oestrogen biosynthesis with the aromatase inhibitor, letrozole, during adolescence improves near-final height in boys with constitutional delay of puberty.
PATIENTS AND METHODS:
Seventeen boys with constitutional delay of puberty were randomized to receive testosterone (T) enanthate (1 mg/kg i.m.) every 4 weeks for 6 months in combination with placebo (Pl, n = 8), or the aromatase inhibitor letrozole (Lz, 2.5 mg/day orally) (n = 9), for 12 months. After treatment, patients were followed up until near-final height. Height discrepancy was calculated as near-final height minus mid-parental target height.
The primary end point was the difference in near-final height between the groups treated either with T + Pl or T + Lz. Secondarily, height discrepancy and gain in height standard deviation score (SDS) were analysed in both groups.
Boys treated with T + Lz reached a higher mean near-final height than did boys on T + Pl (175.8 vs. 169.1 cm, respectively, P = 0.04). In T + Lz-treated boys, mean near-final height did not differ from their mid-parental target height (175.8 vs. 177.1 cm, P = 0.38), whereas in T + Pl-treated boys, mean near-final height was lower than mid-parental target height (169.1 vs. 173.9 cm, P = 0.007). T + Lz-treated boys had a greater increment in height SDS over the pretreatment height SDS than T + Pl-treated boys (+1.4 SDS vs.+0.8 SDS, P = 0.03).
Our findings indicate that in adolescent boys an increase in adult height can be attained by use of aromatase inhibitors.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Dec;90(12):6396-402. Epub 2005 Sep 27.
Inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis with a potent aromatase inhibitor increases predicted adult height in boys with idiopathic short stature: a randomized controlled trial.
Hero M, Norjavaara E, Dunkel L.
Hospital for Children and Adolescents, University of Helsinki, Finland.
In males as well as in females, estrogen is an essential regulator of bone maturation, growth plate fusion, and cessation of longitudinal growth. Therefore, an increase in predicted adult height (PAH) may be achieved in short boys by blocking estrogen biosynthesis.
We tested the hypothesis that a decrease in the rate of bone maturation and an increase in PAH can be achieved in boys with idiopathic short stature (ISS) by the method of blocking estrogen biosynthesis with an aromatase inhibitor. Secondarily, we investigated the effects of aromatase inhibition on bone mineralization.
This was a prospective, double-blind, randomized, placebo (Pl)-controlled clinical study.
The study was performed at a university hospital out-patient clinic.
Thirty-one boys, aged 9.0-14.5 yr, with ISS were studied.
The boys were treated with the aromatase inhibitor letrozole (Lz; 2.5 mg/d) or Pl for 2 yr.
MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE:
The main outcome measure was the change in PAH after 24 months of treatment.
PAH increased by 5.9 cm (P < 0.0001), and height SD score for bone age increased by 0.7 SD score (P < 0.0001) in the Lz-treated boys, whereas no changes occurred in the respective measures in Pl-treated boys. Areal bone mineral density of the lumbar spine and femoral neck, assessed by dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry, increased in a similar fashion in both groups during the treatment, whereas bone mineral apparent density increased only in those taking Lz (median increase, 4.3%; P = 0.009).
Treatment with the aromatase inhibitor Lz delays bone maturation and improves PAH in boys with ISS. No adverse effects on bone mineralization were evident after 2 yr of treatment.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Mar;93(3):823-31. Epub 2007 Dec 28.
Anastrozole increases predicted adult height of short adolescent males treated with growth hormone: a randomized, placebo-controlled, multicenter trial for one to three years.
Mauras N, Gonzalez de Pijem L, Hsiang HY, Desrosiers P, Rapaport R, Schwartz ID, Klein KO, Singh RJ, Miyamoto A, Bishop K.
Nemours Children's Clinic, Division of Endocrinology, 807 Children's Way, Jacksonville, Florida 32207, USA. [email protected]
The process of epiphyseal fusion during puberty is regulated by estrogen, even in males.
Our objective was to investigate whether anastrozole, a potent aromatase inhibitor, could delay bone age acceleration and increase predicted adult height in adolescent boys with GH deficiency.
Fifty-two adolescent males with GH deficiency treated with GH were randomized to cotreatment with anastrozole or placebo daily for up to 36 months.
Fifty subjects completed 12 months, 41 completed 24 months, and 28 completed 36 months. Linear growth was comparable between groups; however, there was a significantly slower increase in bone age advancement from baseline in the anastrozole group vs. placebo group after 2 yr (+1.8+/-0.1 vs. +2.7+/-0.1 yr, P<0.0001) and after 3 yr (+2.5+/-0.2 vs. +4.1+/-0.1 yr, P<0.0001). This resulted in a net increase in predicted adult height of +4.5+/-1.2 cm in the anastrozole group at 24 months and +6.7+/-1.4 cm at 36 months as compared with a 1-cm gain at both time points in the placebo group. Estradiol and estrone concentrations increased less in the anastrozole group compared with placebo group. All boys on the aromatase inhibitor had normal tempo of virilization. Safety data, including glucose, and plasma lipid concentrations were comparable between groups.
Anastrozole increases adult height potential of adolescent boys on GH therapy while maintaining normal pubertal progression after 2-3 yr. This treatment offers an alternative in promoting growth in GH-deficient boys in puberty. Long-term follow up is needed to elucidate fully the safety and efficacy of this approach.
Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals
02-29-2012, 11:09 PM
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