IGF-1 Information Here!

Drachus · 08-18-2006, 02:05 PM

thanks Sikkdogg, I believe I understand now

sdev · 08-28-2006, 01:35 PM

It seems that much of the info at the beginning of this sticky is a bit out of date, just thought that maybe there should be some updates....?

From the reading I've been doing in other threads lately the current protocol for this is about 20mcg E3D, correct or not? Is there more current info that I'm missing?

Has anyone experienced any sides?

Is anyone out there ONLY using IGF-1 (not using it as part of PCT but using it as your cycle)? This would be my situation and I'm curious about the results.

logan22 · 10-06-2006, 01:31 PM

Little help needed here. 155lbs 5'10...cardio makes everything leaner...fat drops as well as muscle mass. Ive never done any gear, wanted to stay Totally natural, but Genetics will only take you so far. I want to do a 6 week cycle of IGF1-Lr3, 80mcg day (40mcg AM, PM), 6 days a week. (it was either that or GH, and from what I understand IGF is what provides the size.) Is it like MGF where is site specific injection, or do I use the quads and glutes rotationally? Would one go into the Muscle or into the Fat like GH? Was also thinking about Cytomel low dose as well to burn a bit more fat.????

Ripped1 · 10-06-2006, 04:18 PM

Logan stay away from IGF to start, you are not ready for this my friend

logan22 · 10-06-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripped1

Logan stay away from IGF to start, you are not ready for this my friend

So then what would you recommend. Im 30 and my body will not change....and I know of too many side effects from gear...not intended for humans.

meowmeow · 10-06-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripped1

Logan stay away from IGF to start, you are not ready for this my friend

Not that it matters, but I concur.

logan22 · 10-06-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by meowmeow

Not that it matters, but I concur.

I need logic here, not just no. :-) Ive been lifting since highshcool...with crap results...every type of workout you can think of....again....what would you recommend.

travbedaman · 10-06-2006, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by logan22

Little help needed here. 155lbs 5'10...cardio makes everything leaner...fat drops as well as muscle mass. Ive never done any gear, wanted to stay Totally natural, but Genetics will only take you so far. I want to do a 6 week cycle of IGF1-Lr3, 80mcg day (40mcg AM, PM), 6 days a week. (it was either that or GH, and from what I understand IGF is what provides the size.) Is it like MGF where is site specific injection, or do I use the quads and glutes rotationally? Would one go into the Muscle or into the Fat like GH? Was also thinking about Cytomel low dose as well to burn a bit more fat.????

I dont know what you weighed before you started lifting, or your BF% but I`m going to go out on a short limb here and say that @5"10 and 155 it seems that lack of calories is you biggest issue.

I am 31, I have a pure ectomorphic frame. I graduated high school weighing in a mighty 130lbs @5"11, most women weighed more than me at that height, however before I ever took any juice or hormone type product I got up to about 185 with just basic supplements (creatine, protein powders, vitamins) and lots of food...that was after 4 or 5 years of serious lifting.

Yes you are correct, genetics can only take you so far, but I think you are far from your natural potential.

I`ve known too many people who took prohormones or juice before building up any type of solid foundation...just to put on a few pounds and then basically lose it all.

Simply put if a genetically average person does not posses the knowledge on how to build a solid physique AND keep gains naturally - then without making some major modifications in other areas it is unlikely that he will progress much further by just simply taking some IGF.

logan22 · 10-07-2006, 11:45 PM

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Awesome. As Manbeast said post everything you have. The more info we have the better. I always enjoy reading anything relevant to this topic.

I know some people that have done it both ways and like usual you have some that say there is a difference and others that say there isn't. Maybe I'll try IM shots next cycle to see if I notice anything.

Any updates on the way to take Lr3? IM? subQ? Shooting into muscles worked or rotating quad and glutes? Im think of using 2mgs.....20mcg for a week, 40mcg a week, 60mcg a week then finish out the last bottle at 80mcg. Post workout in the AM. Any thoughts?

Grunt76 · 10-08-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by logan22

Any updates on the way to take Lr3? IM? subQ? Shooting into muscles worked or rotating quad and glutes? Im think of using 2mgs.....20mcg for a week, 40mcg a week, 60mcg a week then finish out the last bottle at 80mcg. Post workout in the AM. Any thoughts?

Dude, at your size, you need to work on your diet. 155 on 5'10" basically means you have added maybe a max of 10 lbs of lbm in your what, 12 years of lifting. Work on the diet first.

logan22 · 10-08-2006, 05:28 PM

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Dude, at your size, you need to work on your diet. 155 on 5'10" basically means you have added maybe a max of 10 lbs of lbm in your what, 12 years of lifting. Work on the diet first.

I do eat guys...all the time....at least 300gms of protein a day...beans, rice...etc....I just get soft and put on fat.....my body does not want to put on muscle.

Grunt76 · 10-08-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by logan22

I do eat guys...all the time....at least 300gms of protein a day...beans, rice...etc....I just get soft and put on fat.....my body does not want to put on muscle.

Did you get tested for testosterone levels? How's the sex drive? Do you need to sleep more than most?

logan22 · 10-08-2006, 08:52 PM

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Did you get tested for testosterone levels? How's the sex drive? Do you need to sleep more than most?

Never tested, but All is in working order. I dont need too much sleep...8hrs and im good.

sdev · 10-08-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Grunt76

Dude, at your size, you need to work on your diet. 155 on 5'10" basically means you have added maybe a max of 10 lbs of lbm in your what, 12 years of lifting. Work on the diet first.

I dont think you're taking into account the difference in bone structures. I have a very small frame and also weigh in at around 155lbs 10%bf 5'10". Most people think I weigh a lot more and are impressed with my level of muscle development. If I didnt work out I would be like 125 - 130lbs.

Grunt76 · 10-10-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sdev

I dont think you're taking into account the difference in bone structures. I have a very small frame and also weigh in at around 155lbs 10%bf 5'10". Most people think I weigh a lot more and are impressed with my level of muscle development. If I didnt work out I would be like 125 - 130lbs.

So, you have 25-30lbs of added muscle at that same bodyweight and as you put it you have a very small frame, which kinda makes this the upward limit on this guy's situation. In all likelihood he has 20lbs of added muscle, which is all "newbie gain", by which I mean the amount anyone can gain with just lifting in non-specific ways and eating in non-specific ways. Anyone who dials in the diet, the training and the rest should be able to put on a lot more than that. 40lbs should be attainable for even sub-par genetics. I myself have added 60lbs of muscle with just diet and training, on my 5'9'' frame. My genetics might be better than normal, but my test levels were always a bit below average.

norwegianX · 02-10-2007, 07:10 PM

How should I mix the IGF-1 LR3? Should I storage it in acetic acid for about 1mg/ml? Can I apply more acetic acid than the recommended 1mg/ml? When I`m going to pin it, should I use BA or just steril water, and how mutch?

I got 3mg IGF-1 LR3, and 10ml acetic acid.

Someone know were to order acetic acid?

I also have 4mg pMGF, should I just storage this in BA? How many mg/ml do you guys recommended?

Again, sorry for my awfully english

Thanks

Ripped1 · 02-11-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by norwegianX

How should I mix the IGF-1 LR3? Should I storage it in acetic acid for about 1mg/ml? Can I apply more acetic acid than the recommended 1mg/ml? When I`m going to pin it, should I use BA or just steril water, and how mutch?

I got 3mg IGF-1 LR3, and 10ml acetic acid.

Someone know were to order acetic acid?

I also have 4mg pMGF, should I just storage this in BA? How many mg/ml do you guys recommended?

Again, sorry for my awfully english

Thanks

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I suggest mixing 1 mg (1000 mcg) IGF 1 with 3ml (3cc) of acetic water.

Using a 1cc insulin syringe, draw 1cc out of the bottle that contains 3cc of the acid water/IGF-1 mixture. In a separate 1cc insulin syringe, draw up another 1cc of the solution. Freeze these two loaded insulin syringes. They will be utilized at a later date.

Dosages in the range of 10-20mcg per day (taken 15-20 minutes after training) are quite effective for building and repairing muscle tissue. More importantly, these “moderate” dosages (by some people’s estimation) stimulate muscle growth yet escape rapid “downregulation” of the all important IGF-1 receptors. Without receptors to recognize the IGF-1, it doesn’t matter how much you inject.
As dosages climb to over 50mcg per day, receptor downgrade increases exponentially and, from what I’ve observed among bodybuilders, muscle gains come to a screeching halt.

Hope this helps