hi everyone

firstly, id like to share that through the years i have saved articles upon articles on topics ranging from steroids to pct and to gh. little did i know that most of the articles ive gathered originated from this site so i am very happy to be surounded by such knowledgable gentlemen such as yourselves.

secondly, id like to share how i became interested in gh's. but first i will tell you that i have a few cycles of gear under my belt. it was around the time i was planning out my fourth cycle that i stumbled upon igf and from there i stumbled upon mgf. i thought i had a Perfect Cycle to gain sheer lean mass and cut at the same time. but then when i calculated the total for my cycle my jaw nearly dropped. i thought i could proabably get a cycle of hgh for cheaper than this cycle i just compiled. low and behold, i could get 5 months of hgh from a source i trust for $300 cheaper and 5 months of the chinese blue cap generic brand for $400 cheaper. at this point i had some igf and mgf already, and put a holt on ordreing my steroid cycle to read up on gh's particularly hgh. now i havent decided if i want to hgh yet and i dont want to use it just because its cheaper. but from the articles ive read it looks like i am leaning towards it.

if anyone is interested, below is the original cycle i had planned and the new cycle i was considering with hgh.

edit: i cannot yet post images. not enough posts yet haha.
brief description of first cycle was test-p, eq, igf/mgf, var, hcg, and nolvadex for about $1,700.
brief description of new cycle was hgh(5 mo.), igf/mgf(3 mo. EOM).

please feel to comment or criticize. i take constructive criticism very well. the hgh cycle is nothing set in stone. i will also be dong some reading on cjc-1295, ghrp-6 and ghrp-2 since that seems to be very popular on this forum and also have this available to me. does about $1,300 for 500iu of hgh of chinese blue cap generic brand sound about right?

fyi. i am 20yrs 5'10" 195lbs and 12%bf.

I cant say that I know that much about what you are looking into taking I just stick to good old m-drol but I just wanted to for worn you that people on this forum are probably going to bring up your age a lot as it is not recommended to play with hormones at that age but some people will help you im sure

to AM

welcome. And yes the age will become a debate. Your source seems to be providing decent prices for you.
Stick around and theres alot the leanr, especially in this section.

I agree with Mental...This board and this forum especially will provide all you need to know and then some......let us know as you go how you do.

if you've been reading as much as you can then you already know that -
1. aas usage advise is not typically given to folks under the age of 21 here.
2. use of gh without aas isn't anything spectacular in terms of gains.

Originally Posted by Hank Vangut

if you've been reading as much as you can then you already know that -
1. aas usage advise is not typically given to folks under the age of 21 here.
2. use of gh without aas isn't anything spectacular in terms of gains.

1. of course. under 21 is a no no in the AAS section, here i dont think has a limit.

2. i agree a little. If patience is your thing then i think its one of the greatest standalone compounds. Although it is expensive too. The gains are slow but very keepable and in general i think if comtrolled it great.

Hank, good to see you pop in this section again....have ideas runnin through your head....?

Originally Posted by MentalTwitch

Hank, good to see you pop in this section again....have ideas runnin through your head....?

what's up twitch. oh i really want to run another cycle but just don't. seems that the older i get the harder/longer it is to recover so just training naturally for now seems best for me.

Originally Posted by Hank Vangut

what's up twitch. oh i really want to run another cycle but just don't. seems that the older i get the harder/longer it is to recover so just training naturally for now seems best for me.

Hank, have you researched w/GH (or GH releasers)?

thank you all for your comments. yes i am aware that i am underage according to many forums and do not justify myself using any substance an exception. i am still in the planning stages of using hgh and will be 21 soon. i was also planning on using hgh without the assistance of AAS and do not mind the time it takes for my muscles to develop. from my past experiences it seems that the slower the gains, the better quality and easier to keep they are. i still have yet to read up on cjc and ghrp-6 but hopefully i will get to that soon. papa, it seems like that calculator of yours is very popular. you should make it a sticky.

Originally Posted by papapumpsd

Hank, have you researched w/GH (or GH releasers)?

exactly what i was about to say. Itll help recovery alot.
Even if you put together a sleep stack or grab something like SomnidrenGH it may help.
Look into a long term run of GHRP6. Cheap and over time effective.

Originally Posted by MentalTwitch

exactly what i was about to say. Itll help recovery alot.
Even if you put together a sleep stack or grab something like SomnidrenGH it may help.
Look into a long term run of GHRP6. Cheap and over time effective.

MT, I still get very sore from my workouts, even with GHRP/GHRH. So, from my personal experience, my recovery still sucks. I'm not speaking for you or Hank, but that's my $.02 from my experience.

I notice MARKED improvement in recovery w/AAS. Definitely. I have yet to combine peps + AAS (SOON!).

Originally Posted by papapumpsd

Hank, have you researched w/GH (or GH releasers)?

i've used AN's IGF-1, MST's Somnidren, and have dabbled with peptides.

Originally Posted by papapumpsd

MT, I still get very sore from my workouts, even with GHRP/GHRH. So, from my personal experience, my recovery still sucks. I'm not speaking for you or Hank, but that's my $.02 from my experience.

I notice MARKED improvement in recovery w/AAS. Definitely. I have yet to combine peps + AAS (SOON!).

no worries. Everyone is different. For some reason my body seems to take well to GH releasers and OTC releasers. On SomnidrenGH i felt AMAZING the next day.
With this "custom" stack i used and rant about without end around here, L-dopa - GABA - Melatonin - Valerian Root - i get amazing results. The GABA has always done it for me and the other are just icing on the cake.
I felt great on GHRP6 also. I guess thats why i like peptides so much.

so ive been doing some reading on GHRP6 and still cant qrap this around my head. from what i understand GHRP6 acts on the hypthalamus and pituitary to release hgh? the only thing i can really compare this to, to understand it better is hgh acts on the liver and pancreas to produce igf and mgf. but the reason why some of us also use igf and mgf is because our bodies do not produce as much as we inject. am i close to understanding this?

also then why do some people take GHRP6? if it just causes the release of hgh what other benifits do we gain from it? what benifits does taking just hgh have? sides? is it just more cost efficient to take GHRP6? it seems as tho i would have to wait longer for results taking GHRP6 than if i did hgh.

so i just read over some of Dat's CJC and GHRP-6 tread and answered pretty much exactly what i was looking for. Seems like CJC alone seems to be more effective in raising GH levels than just GH administration. thats not even mentioning the exponential effect CJC would have if you administered it with some GHRP-6. now i just have to read up on dosing schemes and find a reliable source for these peptides. i thought my source for hgh had these.

one question though, i think dat's thread said these peptides would not be as favorable to younger people as it wold be to people not as young. would a 21 yr old be able to reap from the benefits of CJC/GHRP-6 as he would be if he just administered HGH?

Originally Posted by Unlimited

one question though, i think dat's thread said these peptides would not be as favorable to younger people as it wold be to people not as young. would a 21 yr old be able to reap from the benefits of CJC/GHRP-6 as he would be if he just administered HGH?

I would say the reason that people suggest younger people do not see as great effects is because the hypothalymus is plenty ready to produce when need be. I think exogenous hGH is better because you determine what your body uses rather than try to control how muc hit makes, get it?

I think everyone can benefit though.

Originally Posted by MentalTwitch

I would say the reason that people suggest younger people do not see as great effects is because the hypothalymus is plenty ready to produce when need be. I think exogenous hGH is better because you determine what your body uses rather than try to control how muc hit makes, get it?

I think everyone can benefit though.

If I recall correctly, Master Dat's thread indicated that the pituitary is capable of producing much more GH than the body needs at any age. The age issue is that older individuals' pituitary does NOT produce as much GH as younger individuals'. Make no mistake....the pituitaries of both young and old are capable of releasing much more GH that the body needs.

MT, I would disagree that exog. GH is better than endog. GH. Why do I think this? My opinion is derived, again, by data found w/in Master Dat's thread. Endog. GH has many, many, many isoforms (>100) while exog. GH is a singularity. Telling the brain to release lots of GH is, overall, more effective than shooting high doses of GH because endog. GH has all of the isoforms (which is assumed to be better since, well, it's all natural and is the way nature intended I suppose).

Also, please understand that GHRP-6 is more effective at eliciting a GH response than CJC (GHRH). The ideal situation would be to use both GHRP/GHRH simultaneously. Please see Dat's guide here: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/igf-1...ml#post1428121

Source: Dat's guide, pose #4 (see link above)

"In the first study "Inhibition of growth hormone release after the combined administration of GHRH and GHRP-6 in patients with Cushing's syndrome", Alfonso Leal-Cerro..., Clinical Endocrinology 1994, 41 (5) , 649–654, three different peptide/peptide combinations were used.

GHRH was administered alone at 100mcg. This resulted in area under the curve (AUC) measured for 120 minutes of GH secretion of 1420 ± 330.

GHRP-6 was administered alone at 100mcg. This resulted in area under the curve (AUC) measured for 120 minutes of GH secretion of 2278 ± 290.

GHRH plus GHRP-6 was administered together at 100mcg each. This resulted in area under the curve (AUC) measured for 120 minutes of GH secretion of 7332 ± 592.

As a single dose these results show that GHRP-6 is about twice as effective as GHRH.

The synergy between GHRH & GHRP-6 is clearly evident as co-administration resulted in twice the benefit of the additive values of single doses of the two peptides."

You can buy a 1/4lb. meat patty for $.30 and you can buy a hamburger bun for $.10. They each will feed you, but for the extra measly $.10, get the damn bun and have a burger!

Papa, dont knwo what i was thinking. That would be more efficient for sure. I think i got a little mixed up on what i was trying to say.

Originally Posted by MentalTwitch

Papa, dont knwo what i was thinking. That would be more efficient for sure. I think i got a little mixed up on what i was trying to say.

No worries bud! I just wanted to make sure the new guy was on the right track. This stuff is confusing, no doubt!

this is in regards to igf. is localized function strictly in the muscle injected? for example if i were to inject my deltoids, would my front delts also be affected? or would igf only affect the side delts?

You're introduction was certainly "unlimited."



J/k... I kid. Welcome.

Originally Posted by Unlimited

this is in regards to igf. is localized function strictly in the muscle injected? for example if i were to inject my deltoids, would my front delts also be affected? or would igf only affect the side delts?

It depends on if it goes systematic and effects other tissues.


That is why most people follow GRUNTS approach, which is to inject immediately (5 min after) a workout so the localized muscle sops the majority of it up.

Originally Posted by MentalTwitch;

With this "custom" stack i used and rant about without end around here, L-dopa - GABA - Melatonin - Valerian Root - i get amazing results.

How come this is the first I hear of this?

Awesome MT!

thanks for the info cryingemo and everyone else posting on this thread.

i took this from papa's cjc/ghrp-6 cycle thread
Dosing

CJC-1295: 2,100mcg/wk = 100mcg 3x ED
CJC-1295: 1,050mcg/wk = 50mcg 3x ED

GHRP-6: 6,300mcg/wk = 300mcg 3x ED
GHRP-6: 2,100mcg/wk = 100mcg 3x ED

...really? 4 pins a day?!? thats 672 injections in 6 months haha. unfortunately at this point in my life i dont think ill be able to adapt a routine for such a cycle being a full time pre-med student and if i do it i want to make sure i do it right. although it sounded very favorable incomparison to just a hgh administration i think that may be the most practical thing for me being as its only one pin a day (two if i really need for the sides). i also found some ridiculously cheap prices from a seller in china. 1,300USD/1000IUs or 1.4USD/1IU if under 1000IUs (about $500 cheaper for a 5 month cycle than my previous source). ive been looking up sources on it and so far its checked out and i also sent them a message so hopefully ill hear some good news. i think theyre a manufacturing distributor for companys to sell to people like us but they said theyd do no minimum orders.

Nobody ever factors in the cost of potential loss of their freedom. You understand a criminal record will preclude you from getting a license to practice medicine don't you?

But looking at your original post I see that you aren't the brightest guy in the world. $1700 for what? Save your student loan kid for something worth spending that kind of money on...like your education.

You are frickin 20 years old. Just what do expect growth hormone to do for you?

It will do absolutely nothing for you. GH + IGF-1 + MGF is a dumb idea.

Originally Posted by Unlimited

thanks for the info cryingemo and everyone else posting on this thread.

i took this from papa's cjc/ghrp-6 cycle thread
Dosing

CJC-1295: 2,100mcg/wk = 100mcg 3x ED
CJC-1295: 1,050mcg/wk = 50mcg 3x ED

GHRP-6: 6,300mcg/wk = 300mcg 3x ED
GHRP-6: 2,100mcg/wk = 100mcg 3x ED

...really? 4 pins a day?!? thats 672 injections in 6 months haha. unfortunately at this point in my life i dont think ill be able to adapt a routine for such a cycle being a full time pre-med student and if i do it i want to make sure i do it right. although it sounded very favorable incomparison to just a hgh administration i think that may be the most practical thing for me being as its only one pin a day (two if i really need for the sides). i also found some ridiculously cheap prices from a seller in china. 1,300USD/1000IUs or 1.4USD/1IU if under 1000IUs (about $500 cheaper for a 5 month cycle than my previous source). ive been looking up sources on it and so far its checked out and i also sent them a message so hopefully ill hear some good news. i think theyre a manufacturing distributor for companys to sell to people like us but they said theyd do no minimum orders.

Originally Posted by datBtrue

Nobody ever factors in the cost of potential loss of their freedom. You understand a criminal record will preclude you from getting a license to practice medicine don't you?

But looking at your original post I see that you aren't the brightest guy in the world. $1700 for what? Save your student loan kid for something worth spending that kind of money on...like your education.

You are frickin 20 years old. Just what do expect growth hormone to do for you?

It will do absolutely nothing for you. GH + IGF-1 + MGF is a dumb idea.

maybe some bloating here and there, swollen ankles and what not ahahhaa

oh wait and healthier skin, beautiful.

hmmm i wouldnt mind some nice silky skin lol. alright Dat, thanks for the info. i may hold off a decade or two before or never! if you were still wondering about the $1,700 cycle, it was:
test-p/eq for 15 weeks (5 vials each)
mgf/igf for 3 months worth
and for pct, anavar(6wks), hcg(4months), and nolvadex
the total came out to 1,190.00 GBP = 1,724.43 USD
my college funds are also secure thanks for worrying tho. and i dont plan on going to med school.

Originally Posted by Unlimited

hmmm i wouldnt mind some nice silky skin lol. alright Dat, thanks for the info. i may hold off a decade or two before or never! if you were still wondering about the $1,700 cycle, it was:
test-p/eq for 15 weeks (5 vials each)
mgf/igf for 3 months worth
and for pct, anavar(6wks), hcg(4months), and nolvadex
the total came out to 1,190.00 GBP = 1,724.43 USD
my college funds are also secure thanks for worrying tho. and i dont plan on going to med school.

Assuming you are over 21 years of age (don't correct me if I'm wrong) how/why did you come up with THAT cycle?

Assuming 10ml per vial of 250mgs then (10 x 250 x 5/ 15 weeks) you were using 833mgs of each steroid per week.

Two steroids (test & eq) means you were using 1666mgs of steroids per week.

Then for post cycle therapy which is a time when you want your body to resume natural production of testosterone & hope to achieve eventual hormonal balance you do what?

You use more steroids (Anavar).

You prevent your body from resuming natural production of LH because you use HCG for 3 months which probably did you damage.

So 3 months of what you call PCT did nothing for recovery and in fact did you some damage.

Don't "alright Dat, thanks for the info." me. Thats bullsh1t!

You either made all of this up or you a fool. My god boy is that how you are going to go through life? You can't go through life being as smug, ignorant, and foolish with both your money & your health.

...IF all of what you said is true I don't believe for one minute that you intend to stop because of a line or two of disapprobation aimed at you on the internet. I'm sure you are smiling as you read this.

Go take a look at yourself in the mirror. Do you like what you see? You think the people around you truly like you? They just used you to sell you over-priced steroids. They'll be back too in all sorts of forms for the rest of your life.

No man can ever be smaller then his money...and it looks to me like life will be a whittling you away...UNLESS you make some changes.

MOD EDIT: You're luck we didn't ban you.