Slin results without slin? My thoughts..
- 11-14-2008, 09:54 AM
Slin results without slin? My thoughts..
Okay, before I tell you this. It might not make sense. This is all but ideas roaming in my head I have to type up.
I have done a lot of reading on the use of Humalog, and some people I know have used it. This is the protocol they used:
Post wo. approx. 10 IU with 3 rice cakes, 1 banana and 2 Gatorades
I have read that the "new" method is now to use it 1-2 days a week, but 3 times in the day, for 3 meals. Some users even use it before eating, waiting to go hypo, and then eat like there is no tomorrow to reach glycogen hold to it's maximum.
So the reason why you take slin is to do that. And the reason why you do it 1-2 times a week is not to build up a tolerance (well, the less tolerance you can).
What if you do just that, but without slin? What if, 1 time a week, you had a 3 meals carb loading. I mean a real carb loading, one that would maximize insulin response (because your body does a freaking good job on this). Have a gallon of molasse or something.
The side effects would be similar.. This promotes insulin resistance, and can't be done frequently. And the insulin secreted would be similar to what you would have pinned...
I want some opinions on this thing. I might give it a try..
- 11-14-2008, 10:15 AM
11-14-2008, 10:21 AM
11-14-2008, 11:21 AM
at best you will get fat as an elephant from this.
we use exo slin for many different reasons other than maximising our PWO nutrient intake. oh and where is the protein in those recommended PWO shakes?
waste of time imo.
11-14-2008, 11:24 AM
This is not a PWO meal. It would be 3 times in a day, once a week. Okay, how bout this:
3 scoops Isolate
3 huge sweet potatoes mashed
Plenty of molasse (no idea on how much, a good 150 ml.
11-14-2008, 11:31 AM
I was referring to no protein in this.
Causing an endogenous insulin release by the method you describe certainly has its uses.Post wo. approx. 10 IU with 3 rice cakes, 1 banana and 2 Gatorades
But it will not compete with using endogenous slin which like I said is not only used for nutrient shuttling.
Endogenous insulin used correctly does not lead to significant insulin resistance issue anyways. Many have been using it for many years and the number that become diabetics is probably a consequence of statistics for ALL people and not related to insulin use.
11-15-2008, 05:25 AM
11-15-2008, 05:54 AM
11-15-2008, 07:44 AM
11-15-2008, 09:48 AM
11-15-2008, 08:34 PM
11-16-2008, 05:28 PM
In an attempt to bring the OP idea back in to context, I think the question that needs to be asked is: Does synthetic/exo insulin differ substantially in effect to natural/endo insulin production?
If the answer is no then I think it is fair to say that any exo insulin protocol that does not involve systemic insulin levels that are greater than what can be achieved naturally will not be significantly different than achieving those same levels naturally.
Once lean body mass has been increased to supraphysiological levels via whatever other chemical enhancements, then it is conceivable that natural insulin production might be insufficient to metabolise the higher-than natural-energy requirements. In other words, natural insulin production has to become a limiting factor.
11-16-2008, 09:52 PM
Thanks for the answers guys.
Yeah, Nitrox, this is pretty much what my idea was... But I start to see it's not exactly the same thing. Still I have more reading to do on this subject
11-16-2008, 10:32 PM
I say this because as someone who has been on insulin for the last 4 years, its behaviour (at least for me) is not all that consistent with broscience.
11-17-2008, 02:22 PM
11-17-2008, 02:40 PM
11-17-2008, 02:43 PM
A friend of mine have used it, while on cycle. No GH. And within one week, he literally blew up. Became really vascular and gained decent size. I know this ain't a proof at all, but from what I have read, most people (aka the average guy) who uses it use this protocol.
12-01-2008, 12:22 AM
Been around a little while and seen my share of stuff, never heard of anyone just blowing up off of slin ALONE. You sure he gained weight or was it more like he changed his bodycomp?
12-01-2008, 10:33 AM
12-03-2008, 12:42 AM
from my experience and what i have read, the response from carbing up compared to exogenous is very different. from what i remember reading somewhere, you can't spike your insulin anywhere near what you can do from shooting it. the amount of carbs required to even get close would be more detrimental to fat gain and all that stuff.
correct me if i'm wrong, it's been a while.
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