[king1033]

yes just wanted to know your opinions on running hcg on a cycle containing hgh and aas, hcg for its obvious reasons of keeping the testes in check while ON, but outta curiousity will it interfere with the hgh, after doing a lot of reading i dont see why the hcg would interfere with the hgh but its always best to get a 2nd opinion. so let me hear em

[datBtrue]

Originally Posted by king1033

yes just wanted to know your opinions on running hcg on a cycle containing hgh and aas, hcg for its obvious reasons of keeping the testes in check while ON, but outta curiousity will it interfere with the hgh, after doing a lot of reading i dont see why the hcg would interfere with the hgh but its always best to get a 2nd opinion. so let me hear em

Run HCG based on need.

GH, HCG and aromatizing steroids can all result in gyno...so again run the HCG based on need.

I'm sure you understand what need means but let me tell you anyway.

You don't need it in a 10 week cycle or less.
You don't need it IF you are using other compounds that positively effect components of the HPTA such as IGF-1, insulin or even GH.

If you do need it you should run it in the closing weeks leading up to PCT so that your PCT will be quicker.

To answer your other question ...Nope HCG will not interfere with GH.

[king1033]

thanks DBT, definatly answerd my question.

[babyblu]

Agreed 100% in estimation. Also ONLY run hcg on cycle, not in pct. Also remember that its best to have gh in full gear (i.e. in effects) when the AAS are added in; you want both of them at max efficiency to get full effects.


bb

[pumbertot]

agree with both dat and bb. i would say keep away from hcg altogether. raises estrogen as much as test, the cause of more b.i.t.c.htits(cant believe even name for female dog gets **** out) than any AAS. use exemestane towards end of cycle and into PCT. raises endo test well and shuts out the estrogen almost completely.

[king1033]

hcg will be run 250iu e3d gh 6iu ED 5 on 2 off for 6 weeks then bumped down to 2iu ED for 3 more months (6iu will be run parallel to 300mg tren A and 750mg Test E) taking arimidex .5mg EOD will be adding in cabergoline to help with prolactin control.

[babyblu]

looks great

bb

[datBtrue]

Originally Posted by king1033

hcg will be run 250iu e3d gh 6iu ED 5 on 2 off for 6 weeks then bumped down to 2iu ED for 3 more months (6iu will be run parallel to 300mg tren A and 750mg Test E) taking arimidex .5mg EOD will be adding in cabergoline to help with prolactin control.

Looks "bread & butter" fine. But maybe you or babyblu can answer a question I have about cabergoline.

I seem to have read before, but I can no longer find it, that cabergoline was very sensitive and loses potency very quickly in liquid. Therefore it should always be in taken in pill or powder form.

Does anyone know anything about that?

[mattikus]

Originally Posted by datBtrue

Looks "bread & butter" fine. But maybe you or babyblu can answer a question I have about cabergoline.

I seem to have read before, but I can no longer find it, that cabergoline was very sensitive and loses potency very quickly in liquid. Therefore it should always be in taken in pill or powder form.

Does anyone know anything about that?

I have heard this many times but never saw any studies/proof. On the other hand, I know people that have used liquid with success.

[datBtrue]

Originally Posted by mattikus

I have heard this many times but never saw any studies/proof. On the other hand, I know people that have used liquid with success.

Lets define success.

Prolactin inhibition ....boring!

How about as a recreational sexual compound capable of greatly reducing the refractory period?

That has to be balance against high doses potentially causing heart valve problem....hmmmm.

Being able to "get off" multiple times or just go & go without having your heart leak that would be SUCCESS!

[mattikus]

Lol well when you put it that way..

All that was reported to me was an increased libido, along with the boring prolactin inhibition.

But I agree, your version of success sounds much better.

[king1033]

Originally Posted by datBtrue

Lets define success.

Prolactin inhibition ....boring!

How about as a recreational sexual compound capable of greatly reducing the refractory period?

That has to be balance against high doses potentially causing heart valve problem....hmmmm.

Being able to "get off" multiple times or just go & go without having your heart leak that would be SUCCESS!

hey DBT,
great questions, it does not loose potency usually sources suspend it in ethanol (which i hear) and keeps it very stable, there is noo proof to state other wise. plus caber seems to be doing the trick to me just a couple days ago (no homo) i had 3 orgasms within the timespan of about 10 minutes, COME ON NOW THAT HASNT HAPPEND SINCE THE 8th grade HAHAHA. but I am taking a relative low dose. the heart valve issue is now scaring me i wonder how realistic that could be.

also with hcg its actually included in my pct rec from a ifbb pro and everyone i have run it by like it? but then there are a lot of people that say the opposite. its saved on my comp ill put it up. actually its in my log in the steroid section i dont really post in it anymore since its been flooded with PH/PS threads (something i absolutly hate)

[Bobaslaw]

Just a note... The dosages of Cabergoline (Dostinex) for parkinsons are where the heart valve issues seem to come into play. These dosages are much higher than the typical dosages used for hyperprolactinemia. The dosages used for BB prolactin control typically falls into the ranges defined for general hyperprolactinemia which is around 0.5-2mg/week. I've heard some go as high as 3mg/week...
Parkinsons, however, utilizes high dose cabergoline even up to 20mg/day!

Low dose cabergoline for hyperprolactinaemia is not associated with clinically significant valvular heart disease.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18625690

Treatment with low doses of cabergoline is not associated with increased prevalence of cardiac valve regurgitation in patients with hyperprolactinaemia

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

[king1033]

Originally Posted by Bobaslaw

Just a note... The dosages of Cabergoline (Dostinex) for parkinsons are where the heart valve issues seem to come into play. These dosages are much higher than the typical dosages used for hyperprolactinemia. The dosages used for BB prolactin control typically falls into the ranges defined for general hyperprolactinemia which is around 0.5-2mg/week. I've heard some go as high as 3mg/week...
Parkinsons, however, utilizes high dose cabergoline even up to 20mg/day!

Low dose cabergoline for hyperprolactinaemia is not associated with clinically significant valvular heart disease.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18625690

Treatment with low doses of cabergoline is not associated with increased prevalence of cardiac valve regurgitation in patients with hyperprolactinaemia

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

great info!

[datBtrue]

What King says...

hey DBT, great questions, it does not loose potency usually sources suspend it in ethanol (which i hear) and keeps it very stable, there is noo proof to state other wise. plus caber seems to be doing the trick to me just a couple days ago (no homo) i had 3 orgasms within the timespan of about 10 minutes, COME ON NOW THAT HASNT HAPPEND SINCE THE 8th grade HAHAHA. but I am taking a relative low dose. the heart valve issue is now scaring me i wonder how realistic that could be....

What Dat hears...

blah, blah blah, i had 3 orgasms within the timespan of about 10 minutes, blah, blah,blah

Damn! Why are we spending so much time talking about muscles and growth hormone & bullsh1t when we could be talking about the "ins & outs" of satisfaction.