CJC-1295 and GHRP-6

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  1. CJC-1295 and GHRP-6


    So I've been reading through dats write ups for a while now...(great write ups mang) and I'm trying to plan out how to use these peptides during my bulker...the protocol I'm looking to use will probably be:

    CJC-1295 500mcgs 2x week
    GHRP-6 250mcgs ED right before bed.

    I'm 27 years old...any input from anybody?


  2. Sounds good but you could def up the GHRP to 2-3x a day. Just make sure its around low blood sugar/meal maybe about an hour away.
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  3. Maybe I'll up it to 250mcgs right when I wake up and right before bed.


    What about adding PegMGF? Seems like PegMGF would make this an awesome bulking stack...

  4. Does pegMGF seem like a good idea to add to this stack? If so, what would you guys dose it at?

  5. I would just save it. The CJC/GHRP looks to be killer and there's not a ton of stuff on peg-MGF. Maybe add it in 8 weeks down the road when strength begins to pleatue.
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  6. SoCo, just so you know, youre ok with SubQ until you add the PEG-Mgf if you do...then you should go IM.

  7. Thanks for the input guys...I think I'm gonna stick with the CJC/GHRP-6....man this fall/winter is gonna be an awesome bulker.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by SoCo4Fun View Post
    So I've been reading through dats write ups for a while now...(great write ups mang) and I'm trying to plan out how to use these peptides during my bulker...the protocol I'm looking to use will probably be:

    CJC-1295 500mcgs 2x week
    GHRP-6 250mcgs ED right before bed.

    I'm 27 years old...any input from anybody?
    How long are you planning on running this?
    What is your total costs running it at these dosages?

  9. 10 to 12 weeks, possibly longer depending on results. I don't know what my cost will be as I'm still massaging out the details of the cycle...it's going to be different from what is above.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by SoCo4Fun View Post
    10 to 12 weeks, possibly longer depending on results. I don't know what my cost will be as I'm still massaging out the details of the cycle...it's going to be different from what is above.

    Any updates on the costs??

  11. I would add in the pegMGF and it can be used SubQ not just IM. Add in about 300micrograms every 3rd day.

    bb

  12. Quote Originally Posted by babyblu View Post
    I would add in the pegMGF and it can be used SubQ not just IM. Add in about 300micrograms every 3rd day.

    bb
    The more I read the more I "think" that adding MGF to an existing elevated level of IGF-1 & its isoforms created via the GH->Liver synthesis route, would be more beneficial than if you use MGF when HG->IGF-1 isn't elevated.

    The same probably applies to IGF-1 as well.

  13. updates.
    GHRP/CJC was the next thing i wanted to look into more, well CJC at least.

    Maybe add the pegMGF the last few weeks?
    How does it compare from IM to SubQ? pegMGF is the least i know about.

  14. So far I've been running the GHRP-6 alone and noticing better sleep patterns and a serious increase in hunger...I've binged (on healthy foods) a few times in the last week due to the intense hunger from the GHRP-6 shots...

  15. I would recommend minimum of 300mics of pegMGF every third day, in the evening before your PM protein shake.

    This is for subQ use.

    For IM I would go 400mics x 3/wk split bi-laterally into muscle group an hour before WO.

    bb

  16. OK ,so how did the cost play out? I have about 18 weeks to put on some size befor i have to start cutting. I wanna keep it clean and hold as much gains as i can obviously. Thinking of going this route too.

    My GHRP protocal was a bit different than yours...
    300mcg after i lift (7pm~)
    300mcg Morn
    200mcgs afternoon is possible(work that day or not)

    Id be interestead to run the CJC/GHRP close to your plan except to the GHRP how trip says, mid night and of course id do morn also.
    After using GHRP i know how i feel on it so anythign else ill know from CJC

    I dint get hunrgy though on GHRP. It was odd that alot of people said they did but i only did once or 2x and it may just have been casue i try not to eat and hour before dose....

  17. MT you have a PM...
    That's weird the hunger for me is incredibly intense...

  18. Been doing 100 twice a day of GHRP for 5 days now and I can say it doesn't make me any more hungry than I normally am. I take it right before bed and when I wake up. I'm hungry in the morning after it but no more so than I normally would be.


    Dat, I know 100 3 times per day is best but would 150 twice per day be ok as well? Or should I just stick with 100 twice? I just can't fit the 3rd shot in during the day.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Wood View Post
    Been doing 100 twice a day of GHRP for 5 days now and I can say it doesn't make me any more hungry than I normally am. I take it right before bed and when I wake up. I'm hungry in the morning after it but no more so than I normally would be.


    Dat, I know 100 3 times per day is best but would 150 twice per day be ok as well? Or should I just stick with 100 twice? I just can't fit the 3rd shot in during the day.

    The lowest I've ran it at so far is 200mcgs so that could explain the hunger...at 400mcgs the hunger is insane.

  20. I may try 200, for as cheap as I got this stuff it can't hurt.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by SoCo4Fun View Post
    That's weird the hunger for me is incredibly intense...
    Me too bro.. I do more than 200 mcg and I am ravenous shortly after. Great for me when on a bulk.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by babyblu View Post
    I would recommend minimum of 300mics of pegMGF every third day, in the evening before your PM protein shake.

    This is for subQ use.

    For IM I would go 400mics x 3/wk split bi-laterally into muscle group an hour before WO.

    bb
    I a curious as why this is the ideal way?
    It is 2 very opposite ways and i am guessing the IM way is more effective but to what extent?

    I mean, in my eyes i see higher dosing for more direct spot injection but why wouldnt 300 or even 200mcgs suffice for a IM run?

    The SubQ i see should be more but why not go before WO also?


    PS- What is this bi-lateral ikeep reading here? Just the angle on the IM injection?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    OK ,so how did the cost play out? I have about 18 weeks to put on some size befor i have to start cutting. I wanna keep it clean and hold as much gains as i can obviously. Thinking of going this route too.

    My GHRP protocal was a bit different than yours...
    300mcg after i lift (7pm~)
    300mcg Morn
    200mcgs afternoon is possible(work that day or not)

    Id be interestead to run the CJC/GHRP close to your plan except to the GHRP how trip says, mid night and of course id do morn also.
    After using GHRP i know how i feel on it so anythign else ill know from CJC

    I dint get hunrgy though on GHRP. It was odd that alot of people said they did but i only did once or 2x and it may just have been casue i try not to eat and hour before dose....
    MT,

    just thinking dont you have to stay away from insulin spike when administering ghrp? if so then dont you take in PWO meal after lifting? it causes a big surge of insulin, so maybe not after you lift? if you lift empty stomache, wont it be better before you go lift? no insulin surge there.

    correct me if im wrong, im new at this too man

  24. Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    I a curious as why this is the ideal way?
    It is 2 very opposite ways and i am guessing the IM way is more effective but to what extent?

    I mean, in my eyes i see higher dosing for more direct spot injection but why wouldnt 300 or even 200mcgs suffice for a IM run?

    The SubQ i see should be more but why not go before WO also?


    PS- What is this bi-lateral ikeep reading here? Just the angle on the IM injection?
    I would use it subQ at night to help body rest/heal and build lbm faster in recovery. I think you could use it at higher dosages subQ, no reason not too except for $$. As for IM, people started using pegMGF when it first came out at dosages of 200-300mics x 2 per week and it was NOT effective. I believe to see effects using this protocol requires higher dosage of at least 1mg per week.

    BI-LATERAL refers to the fact that you have 2 bicepts --> a left and a right, same with calves, tricepts, quads, etc. Therefore when doing IM spot injections, you should inject BOTH sides ---> injecting BOTH left bi AND right bi. Bi Lateral refers to BOTH sides.

    From Dictionary.com on 'bilateral' =
    1. pertaining to, involving, or affecting two or both sides, factions, parties, or the like: a bilateral agreement; bilateral sponsorship.
    2. located on opposite sides of an axis; two-sided, esp. when of equal size, value, etc.
    3. Biology. pertaining to the right and left sides of a structure, plane, etc.

  25. well youre right. You should not dose within 45min - hour of GHRP. I eat my meal about that much later though. I like to let my body come back again and be able to fully adjust to digest. Also, prime protein synth time isnt until 2 hours after WO.

    I used it preWO before and didnt feel much different then after. I will prolly do it both ways like i said, pending schedule but i will for sure do the other 2.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by babyblu View Post
    I would use it subQ at night to help body rest/heal and build lbm faster in recovery. I think you could use it at higher dosages subQ, no reason not too except for $$. As for IM, people started using pegMGF when it first came out at dosages of 200-300mics x 2 per week and it was NOT effective. I believe to see effects using this protocol requires higher dosage of at least 1mg per week.

    BI-LATERAL refers to the fact that you have 2 bicepts --> a left and a right, same with calves, tricepts, quads, etc. Therefore when doing IM spot injections, you should inject BOTH sides ---> injecting BOTH left bi AND right bi. Bi Lateral refers to BOTH sides.

    From Dictionary.com on 'bilateral' =
    1. pertaining to, involving, or affecting two or both sides, factions, parties, or the like: a bilateral agreement; bilateral sponsorship.
    2. located on opposite sides of an axis; two-sided, esp. when of equal size, value, etc.
    3. Biology. pertaining to the right and left sides of a structure, plane, etc.

    I gotcha now, i knew the split thing but people always say bi-lateral in the same sentence and stuff it was confusing, anywho.
    Much appreciated and ill just stick to subQ for the pegMGF for now. maybe 400mcgs 2x week.

    Thanks BB.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by comacho View Post
    MT,

    just thinking dont you have to stay away from insulin spike when administering ghrp? if so then dont you take in PWO meal after lifting? it causes a big surge of insulin, so maybe not after you lift? if you lift empty stomache, wont it be better before you go lift? no insulin surge there.

    correct me if im wrong, im new at this too man
    Just a small correction

    Insulin is an inhibitor of (decreases) Somatostatin tone and in itself will amplify GH secretion. Insulin is an SS antagonist and used as such in GHRH stimulation tests among other compounds like arginine, pyridostigmine, and clonidine.
    It is not the insulin but rather the increase in plasma glucose that is direct stimulator of increased SS tone and thus the blunting of GHRH's action on somatotroph GH release...
    GHRPs alone are not affected by plasma glucose as significantly as GHRH. Fatty Acids do affect GHRP action to a small degree, however.

    So, I for one just take CJC/GHRP PWO about 5-10min before my PWO shake. This gives enough time for some GH release and not nearly enough time to be detrimental to PWO nutrition recovery.


    You can read Dats reply to a similar question:

    Quote Originally Posted by walt View Post
    If you workout in the morning and didnt have a three hour window would you be able to take GHRP-6 and CJC-1295 and use protien, omega-3s and creatine as preworkout meal?
    Quote Originally Posted by datBtrue View Post
    The only thing to REALLY keep in mind is that:

    - fatty acids & carbs blunt to the point of almost eliminating GHRH's (CJC-1295) effect. However GHRPs (GHRP-6) continue to be effective. However the fatty acids do reduce its effect and

    - the GH pulse that results from these compounds starts within minutes of administration and peaks about 30 minutes later.

    So you would ideally administer on an empty stomach and wait 5-10 minutes if you are in a real rush, 20 minutes if you have the time and want to really get most of the effect and 30 minutes IF you have the time.

    There's no need to make your life inconvienent.

    Also you don't have to administer CJC-1295 3 times a day. THAT was just to take advantage of (or further amplify) the immediate pulse that could be created.

    As long as you have CJC-1295 floating around you will have plenty of GHRH available to work synergistically with GHRP-6. So IF it is inconvienent to administer in such a way as to milk out every bit of GH release then you still will get the bulk of the benefit by just administering CJC-1295 twice a week and hitting the GHRP-6 when you can.

  28. boba, thank you for the clarification,,,,still a bit confused but gotta keep reading i guess,

    dude, again a chunk of posts were missing i had to click reply to see all the new posts that dont show up on the thread, at least its happening to you as well,

    what a glitch.

  29. Guys, can we have a chat about the effectiveness of running GHRP-6/CJC-1295 w/o the use of AAS? The reason I bring this up is because I came across some info that it's really not that great w/o AAS (injectable or oral). I also don't recall seeing this info on this forum so I think it might be a good topic for disucssion in the even others are wondering.

    Thanks dewds!

    -Papa!-

  30. It could be plenty effective without AAS...I've seen some amazing fat loss numbers while gaining lean mass since starting on GHRP-6 alone...I can only imagine how badass it will be once I add in the CJC...
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