Wet With Epistane

tomato head · 06-02-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by phil216

This stack is no joke and to be honest i would not reccomend it. My gains have been very good, I'm not looking to put on much weight at this point I'm really looking for quality right now and the stack is delivering that. My migraines have been acting up and they have been very nasty, not sure if they are a direct result of this stack or not as I do get them but they have been more frequent and more severe. Not sure if any of you get them but they are not fun.

So Phill, I'm sorry but I have to ask this question. With all of the warnings your getting in this thread and the increase of something like Migraines, why continue the stack in it's current form? maybe drop it back a bit? Just a concern for your health dude. Good Luck.

phil216 · 06-02-2008, 12:27 PM

I only have a few more days left at this point in the stack so I figure I might as well finish it out

tomato head · 06-02-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by phil216

I only have a few more days left at this point in the stack so I figure I might as well finish it out

I hope your PCT is all ready to go and I hope it's a good one.

phil216 · 06-02-2008, 01:17 PM

PCT is always on the money

GMG760 · 06-02-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by phil216

This stack is no joke and to be honest i would not reccomend it. My gains have been very good, I'm not looking to put on much weight at this point I'm really looking for quality right now and the stack is delivering that. My migraines have been acting up and they have been very nasty, not sure if they are a direct result of this stack or not as I do get them but they have been more frequent and more severe. Not sure if any of you get them but they are not fun.

I mean, I know you are a big guy, who has obviously done something like this before, and I am not trying to tell you what to do because you probably have a lot more experience than I do. But don't you think that symptoms like that might be your body telling you somthing?

What do you mean by "looking for quality"?

phil216 · 06-02-2008, 03:50 PM

I'm actually going to see a neurologist in the next few days to get checked out. I have gotten migraines before any of this stuff but not as often or as severe so I will have that checked out. By quality I mean I do not wish to gain 10 pounds of crap to see the number on the scale go up. I would rather gain 3-5 pounds of good weight then 8-12 of junk

GMG760 · 06-02-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by phil216

I'm actually going to see a neurologist in the next few days to get checked out. I have gotten migraines before any of this stuff but not as often or as severe so I will have that checked out. By quality I mean I do not wish to gain 10 pounds of crap to see the number on the scale go up. I would rather gain 3-5 pounds of good weight then 8-12 of junk

You don't think that you could gain 3-5 solid lbs of LBM simply on superdrol? I would be so pissed off to run superdrol to find I couldn't gain 5 lbs from it... I probably wouldn't ever do a designer again.

I mean I know that you are at the point where adding any solid weight is a feat in itself, esp. compared to a guy my size, but... I dunno dude, you are a braver individual than I. I hope everything goes well for you at the doctors office.

pez6969 · 06-02-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by phil216

I'm actually going to see a neurologist in the next few days to get checked out. I have gotten migraines before any of this stuff but not as often or as severe so I will have that checked out. By quality I mean I do not wish to gain 10 pounds of crap to see the number on the scale go up. I would rather gain 3-5 pounds of good weight then 8-12 of junk

Good luck Phil, I hope everything goes well I have been following this. keep us posted bro.

phil216 · 06-02-2008, 07:36 PM

thanks and i do appreciate all the concern. aside from the migraines (which suck) the results have been very good. i have gained about 5lbs and it has been good weight, my strength has been exceptional, did pulldowns with the 250lbs rack plus a 45 for 7 slow controlled reps with pauses in the contracted position. off to bed soon, thanks again for the well wishes.

phil216 · 06-05-2008, 08:23 AM

neurologist is lined up for next week, after I see him I will post the results of that vist. Thus far my BP has climbed a bit and I'm now at 155/90 and I just do not feel very good at all. When I'm in the gym lifting I feel strong but the rest of the time I feel like crap. Makes me wonder how the truly huge guys like Jay, Ronnie and the rest do it. The dosages these guys use must be huge and they must feel the sides if I'm feeling it from this.

GMG760 · 06-05-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by phil216

neurologist is lined up for next week, after I see him I will post the results of that vist. Thus far my BP has climbed a bit and I'm now at 155/90 and I just do not feel very good at all. When I'm in the gym lifting I feel strong but the rest of the time I feel like crap. Makes me wonder how the truly huge guys like Jay, Ronnie and the rest do it. The dosages these guys use must be huge and they must feel the sides if I'm feeling it from this.

I don't think those guys are running designers. I am pretty sure they have the real thing and plenty of it. I doubt they run too many orals either since they have to be "on" for so much of the year. I mean, when your yearly budget for juice at those levels is $30,000+, well... I think that my money would be spent on more serious stuff. But yea, I am sure they have their own issues with lethargy and whatnot, but I bet the money those top guys make (I say top guys because there is about 4-8 guys making real money and the rest don't make ****) makes up for their feeling ill.

phil216 · 06-05-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GMG760

I don't think those guys are running designers. I am pretty sure they have the real thing and plenty of it. I doubt they run too many orals either since they have to be "on" for so much of the year. I mean, when your yearly budget for juice at those levels is $30,000+, well... I think that my money would be spent on more serious stuff. But yea, I am sure they have their own issues with lethargy and whatnot, but I bet the money those top guys make (I say top guys because there is about 4-8 guys making real money and the rest don't make ****) makes up for their feeling ill.

I agree 100% on the designers and orals but the sheer volume of stuff they use must have an impact. I guess in addition to being gifted in the sense that they grow very easily they must also be blessed with the ability to not suffer all the possible sides

GMG760 · 06-05-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by phil216

I agree 100% on the designers and orals but the sheer volume of stuff they use must have an impact. I guess in addition to being gifted in the sense that they grow very easily they must also be blessed with the ability to not suffer all the possible sides

I dunno about the sides issue. I think that they have a pretty serious PCT regimen and some of those guys have some real serious sides. Look at Branch Warren's face. Now don't get me wrong, I think Branch is the man, but he looks like a straight roid monkey. You can't tell me that guy hasn't suffered side effects. Trey Brewer is going bald at 22 (not that guys don't go bald at 22, but judging that he is 300lbs at that age suggests some side effects there). You can't tell me that trey's voice should be that low naturally. Look at Jay Cutlers head, that sh*t isn't normal.

That being said, yes I think they have the genetics to be much less susceptible to the side effects and have the means to fight back much easier than the average guy does.

phil216 · 06-05-2008, 01:08 PM

I always take my pct very seriously and my cycles are 30 days or less but the designers are rough. I remember usinganadrol and or d bol when i was younger and I did not have issues like this.... the good old days.

GMG760 · 06-05-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by phil216

I always take my pct very seriously and my cycles are 30 days or less but the designers are rough. I remember usinganadrol and or d bol when i was younger and I did not have issues like this.... the good old days.

Really? A-bombs are supposed to be the worst thing out there as far as sides go. From what I understand, Dianabol is less side effect heavy.

You can still get that stuff... just gotta pay for it.