Epi+Formex ?

[ktatro1]

I am planning my epi cycle, and have ordered the formex, however I was unsure as to how best to utilize the formex. My epi dosing is as follows:

Either: 20/30/30/40 or 30/30/30/40

On cycle I will be taking BCAA's, protien, and Cycle Assist. I'm unsure as whether or not to run the formex while on cycle, bridge to pct, or 2 weeks after PCT starts so as to control any estro rebound, and how to dose according to each situation. PCT as follows:

Clomid: 50/50/50/50
X-lean: 100/100/50/50**

I will probably have Nolva on hand just in case gyno becomes an issue.

**I may waite a week or two to start X-lean as I thought cortisol usually doesn't become a problem until then. If I'm wrong I am very open to changing dosing protocol. Last problem I have is just waiting for the X-lean.....everyone is out of stock at the moment ....any help would be greatly appreciated.

[M16]

30/30/30/40 looks solid...I would run Formex from beginning to end all the way through PCT... I would stick wih 25 mgs ED as epi is mild and there should be little to no estrogen conversion...PCT looks good and Yes the cort blocker will help during PCT more than any other time IMO.

X-Lean is being reformulated at the moment so you may have to go with DS Lean Extreme or supress-C by CEL.

[ktatro1]

30/30/30/40 looks solid...I would run Formex from beginning to end all the way through PCT... I would stick wih 25 mgs ED as epi is mild and there should be little to no estrogen conversion...PCT looks good and Yes the cort blocker will help during PCT more than any other time IMO.

X-Lean is being reformulated at the moment so you may have to go with DS Lean Extreme or supress-C by CEL.

Do you mean from the beginning of the Epi cycle all the way through PCT? Or beginning of PCT through all 4 weeks?

[M16]

Beginning of cycle till end...I'm not a big fan of running an AI during PCT but I think that 25mgs of Formex is not very suppressive and allows you estrogen to be at a somewhat normal level, However with that being said I would never run an AI during PCT...Remember estrogen is good and is vital in restoring our HPTA.

[ktatro1]

Agreed, this is why I wanted to make sure I was controlling estrogen, not destroying it. Thanks for your input. I think I'm gonna go with Lean Xtreme (driven sports), as it has the 7OH and 5AT, as opposed to CEL's Suppress-C (only 5-AT). Now should I dose that at the beginning of PCT or waite like a week and then start? And as far as dosing protocol I was thinking maybe just 3/3/3/3......any thoughts?

[TheDarkHalf]

Why the formex during cycle? I was under the impression that epi has anti-e and serm like properties. First time i've heard anyone recommend formex on cycle.

[M16]

Formestane/Formex is a Suicide Aromatase Inhibitor...Many people use them on cycle. Even with compounds that have very little estrogen conversion such as Epi sometimes will require an AI...Just really depends on the person.

[CornFed]

ehh....where the heck did ya get the formex?

[ktatro1]

Designer bodybuilding...only place I could actually find it in stock.

[babywifey]

Formex is in stock at Nutra Planet right now.

[CornFed]

Formex is in stock at Nutra Planet right now.

I know. I just placed my order last night. I had been waiting to see who'd get it in first. I only order from 2 main places. Nutra and dps. Nutra got it.

Thank you for letting us know though!

[dementor]

Is Clomid really necessary for this cycle?

I would have dropped it, if he uses Formex at 25 mg ED and instead of Clomid take something like Post Cycle Assist formula or Activate Extreme.

Someone else agree on this?

[MEPSE]

It seems like most recommend having a SERM on hand just in case, which probably makes sense for anyone who doesn't know how their body will respond. I have to admit that I have read that some of the PHs are worse than AAS, and this may have something to do with it. Back 24 years ago when I used AAS and competed, we had no SERMs (that I knew of), and we simply tapered the AAS off at the end of the cycle and quit using anything for 6 weeks. That was PCT then, and this was D-bol and Deca for me. I do understand that everyone is different, and some will experience gyno with even mild cycles like Epi. I don't know this as a fact, but it seems to me that the need for a SERM with Epi should be rare at best. But, better safe than sorry I guess. I just would not use the Clomid unless I actually needed it.

[dementor]

It seems like most recommend having a SERM on hand just in case, which probably makes sense for anyone who doesn't know how their body will respond. I have to admit that I have read that some of the PHs are worse than AAS, and this may have something to do with it. Back 24 years ago when I used AAS and competed, we had no SERMs (that I knew of), and we simply tapered the AAS off at the end of the cycle and quit using anything for 6 weeks. That was PCT then, and this was D-bol and Deca for me. I do understand that everyone is different, and some will experience gyno with even mild cycles like Epi. I don't know this as a fact, but it seems to me that the need for a SERM with Epi should be rare at best. But, better safe than sorry I guess. I just would not use the Clomid unless I actually needed it.

Good post and input. Exactly my thoughts. What would you think about taper of the Epi?

D-bol is perfect for taper off, but that migth be because of its highly androgenic effects. Epi is not that strong of an androgen, and it might be no use to taper off.

This is just my thoughts though, no expert, just thinking out loud.

[MEPSE]

You are probably right - no real reason to taper off on a relatively mild PH. I was just thinking about how we used to do it, and wondering if there was any benefit to tapering off Epi at the end. Even though it is mild, it still seems to me that there is some amount of natural shutdown, and tapering should help start it up again. In all of the posts I have read, I have not seen anyone suggest it.

[dementor]

If you take your Epi with some planning, there is no need for a "real" PCT. If you get shut down, you wont get shut down hard, you can get by with some testbooster as stated.

Ever considered pulsing orals in general? You might have tried it since it seems that you have some years experience in bodybuilding?

Have you been competing?

[MEPSE]

I have never tried pulsing, and I am still unsure about it. My current Epi cycle is the first time I have used a PH, and I have not used AAS for 24 years. I did D-bol and Deca at the age of 21 to compete in a body building contest (West Coast Fitness in St. Pete, FL) where I took 1st in middleweight and 2nd overall (lost to the heavyweight). I weighed 165# at the weigh-in, down from a high of 180#. I have continued to work out fairly consistently for a total of 30 years, but I am just now getting serious again. I am thinking of competing again next season (in the old man's group, of course). I have a friend in town who is my age, and he just get his pro card by winning the 2009 Southern USA in Panama City (1st place Men's Open Heavyweight). I am trying to learn from him, but so far he has been somewhat secretive. I have been out of the competition scene for some time, so I have a lot of catching up to do! I weighed 200# when I weighed myself Thursday, and I chose Epi because it is mild, and I wanted to try to lean up some. I have to work hard to keep fat off, but my diet hasn't been the greatest until recently. How about you? What are your experiences with all of this?

[dementor]

I have never tried pulsing, and I am still unsure about it. My current Epi cycle is the first time I have used a PH, and I have not used AAS for 24 years. I did D-bol and Deca at the age of 21 to compete in a body building contest (West Coast Fitness in St. Pete, FL) where I took 1st in middleweight and 2nd overall (lost to the heavyweight). I weighed 165# at the weigh-in, down from a high of 180#. I have continued to work out fairly consistently for a total of 30 years, but I am just now getting serious again. I am thinking of competing again next season (in the old man's group, of course). I have a friend in town who is my age, and he just get his pro card by winning the 2009 Southern USA in Panama City (1st place Men's Open Heavyweight). I am trying to learn from him, but so far he has been somewhat secretive. I have been out of the competition scene for some time, so I have a lot of catching up to do! I weighed 200# when I weighed myself Thursday, and I chose Epi because it is mild, and I wanted to try to lean up some. I have to work hard to keep fat off, but my diet hasn't been the greatest until recently. How about you? What are your experiences with all of this?

Nice history man, that's some real training experience you have. I have done one Dbol cycle and a test e, but that was a few years ago.
Started to get really serious about my traning again now, and at the moment I am on an Epi pulse cycle for 6-8 weeks depending on how I feel, week 2 now. Will ad Formex at 25 mg on off days in week 4, do only Formex and Activate Extreme as PCT. I can get Nolva if needed, but I am sure thats not going to be the case.

Competing is in the back of my head, need at least another bulking year, then 6 months cutting. But really, I'm not sure thats what I want to do.

Let me know how your cycle is turning out!?

[MEPSE]

I'll be looking forward to seeing how you like the pulsing. I was considering it, but decided to go straight cycle. Next week is week 5, and will likely me my last week. I'll post results once I'm done...

[M16]

I'm on my 4th week of Epi @40mgs per day{started at 60 for the first 2 weeks} and the strength increases have been great !!!...2 more weeks to go.