[dhuge67]

I'm running Epistane/Havoc for 8 weeks. Havoc for the first 4 weeks, and then a bottle of Epistane.

Here's the blog: Havoc Blog

I start tomorrow!!!

[CEDeoudes59]

sweet mang, let us know

[Antonek]

great connection man

I'm going mo make the same in septemper, let us know about progress

good luck

[dhuge67]

Originally Posted by Antonek

great connection man

I'm going mo make the same in septemper, let us know about progress

good luck

Thank you and I'll keep you updated.

I took my first dose today (10 mg), just 8 minute ago, actually. I'll go through a workout here in a bit, and I'll probably have little to report until later in the week or next week.

Most people say they don't feel "on" until they hit a 30 or 40 mg dose, around the beginning of week 3.

I'll be in touch!

Dhuge

[Totality]

looking forward to this will be checking in

[dhuge67]

http://web.mac.com/chrisd7

Second day - not too much to report except that the workout I had was pretty nice. I took my first dose at 20 mg, about an hour before I lifted, had 5-8 grams of creatine in my post workout drink.

I'm using one of Boris Sheiko's programs. Taxing stuff but very promising, I think.

extremefitness.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-20790.html

Today was day one on that program:

In base (preparation) period by coach Boris Sheiko (Russia)

(50% 5X1 ??? where: 50% - percentage of maximum; 5 ??? reps; 1 - sets)

1 WEEK

1 day (Monday)

1.Bench press 50% 5?1,60% 4?2,70% 3?2,75% 3?5.(34)
2.Squat 50% 5?1,60% 5?2,70% 5?5.(40)
3.Bench press 50% 6?1,60% 6?2,65% 6?4.(42)
4.Flat dumbbells ???flies???10?5.
5.???Good mornings??? (standing) 5?5.
Total: 116 lifts

[triggerman]

Whats your dosage for this cycle going to be like?

[LakeMountD]

I find it funny people are still writing Epistane/Havoc lol.

[dhuge67]

Originally Posted by triggerman

Whats your dosage for this cycle going to be like?

Dosage is 20/30/40/40/40 (and it might go to 6 weeks).

[dhuge67]

Day 10 update

http://web.mac.com/chrisd7

Important note (179 lbs or +4 lbs in 10 days)

[superdrollover]

Originally Posted by dhuge67

Day 10 update

http://web.mac.com/chrisd7

Important note (179 lbs or +4 lbs in 10 days)

Just wondering why you are/were taking doses immediately after your workout? Has this proven to be effective for you?I always assumed it was kinda pointless. ne way good log so far.keep it up

[doluseb]

I assume you're dosing ED? Also, have you noticed any warm feeling or almost flush feeling after your dose?
I may be sensative to this compound but I noticed a warm feeling about 45 min to 1h after dose, and accelerated sweating off days (currently doing pulse cycle).

[dhuge67]

Originally Posted by doluseb

I assume you're dosing ED? Also, have you noticed any warm feeling or almost flush feeling after your dose?
I may be sensative to this compound but I noticed a warm feeling about 45 min to 1h after dose, and accelerated sweating off days (currently doing pulse cycle).

I have not had any such feelings. Maybe you're extra sensitive to it in some way? And yes, I am dosing every day.

I'm not dosing post workout, unless I work out in the middle of the day. Since the half life of the compound is 5-6 hours, I take 20mg pre workout and then 10 or 20 post.

Since I bumped to 40mg just for one day (to test how it felt), I took 20mg in the morning, then 20mg about 4-5 hours later, and then worked out. I think it's best to have your full daily dose prior to the workout, if possible.

[superdrollover]

Originally Posted by dhuge67

I'm not dosing post workout, unless I work out in the middle of the day. Since the half life of the compound is 5-6 hours, I take 20mg pre workout and then 10 or 20 post.

Since I bumped to 40mg just for one day (to test how it felt), I took 20mg in the morning, then 20mg about 4-5 hours later, and then worked out. I think it's best to have your full daily dose prior to the workout, if possible.

I see, my mistake. I just thought you were taking it right before and right after.

[dhuge67]

Originally Posted by superdrollover

I see, my mistake. I just thought you were taking it right before and right after.

I was taking it pre and post, but that was only on the days where my workout fell in the middle of the day.

To clarify, from now on, I'm going to take 20mg at 10 A.M. and 10 or 20 mg at 3:30 P.M. and work out from about 5-6:30.

[superdrollover]

Originally Posted by dhuge67

I was taking it pre and post, but that was only on the days where my workout fell in the middle of the day.

To clarify, from now on, I'm going to take 20mg at 10 A.M. and 10 or 20 mg at 3:30 P.M. and work out from about 5-6:30.

[dhuge67]

-http://web.mac.com/chrisd7/iWeb/Site/Havoc%20Blog/94861D8F-A105-4194-9808-95261D575DF3.html

Day 12 - Update

I’m writing this entry to track the fact that I have had some lethargy in the past couple days, with minor headaches too, especially at night. Now, I don’t know if I can attribute this to Havoc or to 11-oxo (which I added in to my cycle at 3 caps per day). I would have to think that 11-oxo is the culprit, since Havoc didn’t cause lethargy prior to my supplementation of 11-oxo.

It’s nothing that’s so bad that I feel like stopping the cycle, but it is annoying. What I’m going to do now is test the supplements by taking them at different times; Havoc in the A.M., prior to working out, and 11-oxo around 6 P.M. This should reveal which supplement is responsible for the headaches, lethargy, or both.

I’ll be adding in RPM by Applied Nutraceuticals to battle the lethargy.

That’s all for today, a ball-busting workout is planned for tomorrow (DEADLIFTS!!!).

Chris

[Antonek]

good luck man!

keep updates up

[dhuge67]

Weight: 182 lbs! (up 7lbs in just less than 2 weeks!)

Workout was lighter than yesterday’s, which was a 5x5 routine that included deadlifts, chest supported rows, weighted dips (75lb added to dip belt!), lunges, and leg press.

Today’s workout (being lighter, and sort of a “feeder workout” for tomorrow’s heavy session) was bicep-focused, with some shoulder work, rehab, traps, and stretching.

Towel-grip pull ups
Chin Ups
Barbell Curls
Cable Curls
Lateral and front raises
Band pull-aparts
Snatches
Farmer Carries

Tomorrow marks the beginning of week 3 on Havoc, and my dosage will go to 40mg a day from here on out. I’m excited about it and really think that if the first two weeks are any indication of how this cycle is going to go, then I’m in for some real changes in the coming 2-4 weeks. Most people’s Havoc logs talk about the 3rd and 4th week being the best as far as strength and body weight gains. I’ve already gained 7 lbs in the first two weeks, so if I can put on another 10, I’d be thrilled.

Aesthetically, I’m looking alright. Definitely not as lean as I was, but part of that is my lack of cardio. However, I know I’m gaining some good muscle, since my strength is going up. I’m much harder and more dense than I was prior to the cycle. I also realize that to obtain my ideal physique, I must first obtain a not-so-pleasing physique, but then I’ll simply cut down and should look pretty good in the 180 range. My previous highest weight was 215 and it wasn’t a good 215. I lost 50 lbs to get to 165, and have been as low as 155. I know how to lose weight. So, worrying about a little fat accrual is not a big deal, since mentally, I know that I have the willpower to lose the fat if I need to.

But for right now, a lot of this weight seems to be some quality muscle mass. I’m noticing it in my chest, back, and arms. What little fat I have gained is on my lower abs (oh well).

So far, so good!