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- 08-09-2010, 01:24 PM
08-09-2010, 01:33 PM
And also, part of the reason it may not be neccessary to taper is because there should be little to no impact on TSH levels. But it doesnt hurt to taper, if you are going to I would taper over 1-2 weeks going down 1-2 caps a day.
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08-09-2010, 02:33 PM
08-09-2010, 05:42 PM
08-09-2010, 06:04 PM
08-13-2010, 02:23 AM
"Beware of supplements containing 3,5 diiodo-l-thryonine; this hormone has been shown to significantly suppress your natural TSH function"
Reading this and being a user of TT-33, Does raise certain concerns for me.
TT-33 did work, I did enjoy my cycle but I just don't like other Supp companies making claims such as that.
I'm under the impression that in whatever way, They thyroid will regulate it self quite quickly and shutdown should be me an issue.
08-13-2010, 10:32 PM
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08-21-2010, 08:11 PM
you can use until 600cmg daily your body can regulate the thyroids hormone output by itself by another use is therapeutic objective for these people is to reduce the size of their thyroid gland (which is going to, one hopes, reduce or eliminate the cancer cells).
a slowing of the thyroid activity translates to a lessening of the basal metabolism. One of the consequences of this is lowering of the temperature. During your diet, if you take your temperature each morning, you will easily detect a weakening of the thyroid gland.
Bracco D. 1993. Comparison of the metabolic and endocrine effects of 3,5,3'- triiodothyroacetic acid and thyroxine. J Clin Endo Metab. 77:220. Medline.
08-21-2010, 09:04 PM
08-22-2010, 11:12 PM
10-14-2010, 08:52 PM
Sorry for bumping this thread if my question/concern is not relative to the original topic but for the sake of not creating another thread, I believe it is. I understand that this question may have already been addressed but I keep reading counter arguments and debates on the matter. So I want to just ask this once and hopefully I'll be able to receive a productive answer, once and for all. There have been questions and concerns regarding 3,5-T2 about its potential suppressive effect on TSH. On the other side, there have also been questions in regards to 3,3-T2 and if it has any effect at all on TSH.
So my question is does 3,5-T2 actually cause suppressive effects, when used ONLY in a manner as directed and cycled? And does 3,3-T2 have any positive effects at all on TSH, UCP activity, and overall energy expenditure?
I've gathered up as many studies as I can find relevant to this question. From what I've gathered, I came to the understanding that 3,5-T2 can be suppressive if used in supraphysiological doses. I have yet to be conclusive on 3,3-T2 in regards to having any thyroidmimetic properties. I'm bringing this up because I still have my TT-33 from the New Year's sale and would really like to run it, but just want to make sure that there really is no need for PCT, although I, personally, would still run something (like LX) afterwards, just to be safe. Also because there is another popular product out right now that claims that 3,5-T2 does cause suppression of TSH and is why it is not included in their product. I am not going to say who or what product it is, but it is at Nutra and it's not hard to guess. I am also not calling them out, but as a consumer it's hard to find something conclusive on the matter and would just like a solid answer. Here are the studies that I've gathered for now.
Also I understand all of these weren't done in vivo, but I'm a little short time here.
10-14-2010, 08:59 PM
When i run TT-33 i run a PCT. To me I run this on my own terms and have concluded that a cheap effective PCT that also helps with my progress is a win win situation, even if suppression is absent.
i use 200mg PCT of 7-keto DHEA. It boosts TSH.
Do this and you should have nothing to worry about. I also add kelp in PCT for additional benefits.
I never actually expect permanent suppression from TT-33, i really do it to get things back to normal asap.
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10-14-2010, 10:17 PM
10-14-2010, 10:51 PM
This study also shows, if I read it right, that not only does 3,5-T2 activate lipolysis, but does so without actually causing a thyrotoxic state, which can lead to hyperthyroidism. Now I don't think that entails that 3,5-T2 is not necessarily suppressive at super high doses, but I do believe it shows that there is no suppressive indications at the doses used in the study; also note that the study is on rats.
Also note that in the first part, the group that was fed the HFD and administered 3,5-T2 (DT2 rats) were 13% lighter and had 29% increase in energy expenditure vs D rats (HFD diet fed only). Also note that muscle mass did not vary between D and N groups. This backed up my original theory that TT-33 would be excellent on a CKD or carb-cycling routine, whereas others feel it would be waste to run it without carbs.
As you can see, I am pretty adamant on gathering factual data on both of these T2 isomers but can only find 3,5 studies and barely any data on 3,3. I'm going to keep scouting for it. By now I am convinced that 3,5 is active, and mildly convinced that it is suppressive even at low doses and proper PCT. On the other hand, I have yet to find anything on 3,3 in regards to it's activity. If anyone can chime in on 3,3 and can provide studies, that'd be great as it would help me place my order and not risk missing out on the current deals. I've already missed the labor day sale so I would like to score on the ones still standing.
10-15-2010, 12:47 AM
heres a thread worth of reading if your real set on finding tt-33 information
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10-15-2010, 08:56 AM
like ever I said the Stuff Works but needs up the dose 4-8 caps is all depends of tolerance (Lethargy)
I see TT-33 bottle of 180 caps 6 caps a day is DA` Shiiiizzzzzzzzz
10-15-2010, 04:54 PM
10-15-2010, 05:54 PM
how long did you do tt-33 and how many caps per day?
how your you how long did you do tt-33 and how many capsules?
I am 225 lbs and using 6 capsules for six weeks. I may taper down or may not.
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10-15-2010, 11:26 PM
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10-16-2010, 03:07 PM
Does anyone still not get what I'm saying here or is it not even worth it anymore? It probably doesn't help that I posted this in a company forum; I just don't want some dude yelling at me for just making another thread where I'd be able to get some decent answers.
I don't see why I should get this other product whereas TT-33 actually contains the compound that supports the claims for thyroid metabolites. The reviews on their product doesn't really do me justice because I cannot find one piece of solid evidence that support 3,3-T2. Damn Nutra and their choice of stacks. Bring back the LX/TT-33 pack. I might just say screw it and go with an ECA and LX for a ~3 week cut.
11-07-2010, 09:42 AM
Using Excel I did a little taper over a week for 120 pill bottle, how's this sound?
Day 1 2
Day 2-26 4
Day 27-29 3
Day 30-33 2
Day 34 1
Or could save that last pill for the next bottle.
11-07-2010, 11:58 AM
11-07-2010, 05:18 PM
11-08-2010, 07:18 AM
? for iForce reps.... if stacking Adipoxil & TT-33, how would you dose them. After reading both labels, I notice the Adipoxil has the same ingredients as TT-33 minus the stims obviously. The reason I ask is because of the whole 2-4 caps per day recommedations on the TT-33. But if taking both......it seems you're doubling the dosage...no?
I'm weight in around 205-210lbs and don't have problems with stims, but I obviously don't wanna have any thyroid issues.