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  1. Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    Dave your know your information. Good answer, Thanks for helping.
    no prob man!
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  2. "Beware of supplements containing 3,5 diiodo-l-thryonine; this hormone has been shown to significantly suppress your natural TSH function"

    Reading this and being a user of TT-33, Does raise certain concerns for me.

    TT-33 did work, I did enjoy my cycle but I just don't like other Supp companies making claims such as that.

    I'm under the impression that in whatever way, They thyroid will regulate it self quite quickly and shutdown should be me an issue.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Hardnutcheck View Post
    "Beware of supplements containing 3,5 diiodo-l-thryonine; this hormone has been shown to significantly suppress your natural TSH function"

    Reading this and being a user of TT-33, Does raise certain concerns for me.

    TT-33 did work, I did enjoy my cycle but I just don't like other Supp companies making claims such as that.

    I'm under the impression that in whatever way, They thyroid will regulate it self quite quickly and shutdown should be me an issue.
    The thyroid gland is not permanently suppressed very easily. We recommend the dosages we do, and the lengths of cycles for a reason, to prevent any negative effects to the users of our products. To see major shutdown, one must either abuse the time frame, or dose. Both of which would have to far exceed the recommended IMO.

    Mike
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Hardnutcheck View Post
    "Beware of supplements containing 3,5 diiodo-l-thryonine; this hormone has been shown to significantly suppress your natural TSH function"

    Reading this and being a user of TT-33, Does raise certain concerns for me.

    TT-33 did work, I did enjoy my cycle but I just don't like other Supp companies making claims such as that.

    I'm under the impression that in whatever way, They thyroid will regulate it self quite quickly and shutdown should be me an issue.

    you can use until 600cmg daily your body can regulate the thyroids hormone output by itself by another use is therapeutic objective for these people is to reduce the size of their thyroid gland (which is going to, one hopes, reduce or eliminate the cancer cells).

    a slowing of the thyroid activity translates to a lessening of the basal metabolism. One of the consequences of this is lowering of the temperature. During your diet, if you take your temperature each morning, you will easily detect a weakening of the thyroid gland.


    Bracco D. 1993. Comparison of the metabolic and endocrine effects of 3,5,3'- triiodothyroacetic acid and thyroxine. J Clin Endo Metab. 77:220. Medline.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by 805bgtymer View Post
    dude I took 4 caps a day for 4 weeks and got nada from this stuff. I was on a calorie restricted keto-diet and took it with an eca stack. Zero from it. A side note is when I stopped the TT-33 I started taking alpha burn from Rpn and started seeing results after the first week. Maybe I just didn't respond well to the supplement. Personally I wont anything from Iforce again. My 2cents....and also I'm not saying Iforce doesn't have other products that work, Im just not willing to try them after this. Fyi
    ......Sooooo...u were on a keto diet...taking a ECA stack...and TT-33...and you noticed nadda from this, and so it was the TT-33 that did not work....? Keto diet alone if done correctly and working out correctly alone will give you results. Keto with an ECA stick...if done correctly, will give you enhanced results! So with those two factors as well as taking TT-33 for 4 weeks, you got nothing?!!...and it was the TT-33's fault????
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by swole210 View Post
    ......Sooooo...u were on a keto diet...taking a ECA stack...and TT-33...and you noticed nadda from this, and so it was the TT-33 that did not work....? Keto diet alone if done correctly and working out correctly alone will give you results. Keto with an ECA stick...if done correctly, will give you enhanced results! So with those two factors as well as taking TT-33 for 4 weeks, you got nothing?!!...and it was the TT-33's fault????
    If keto diet doesn't work alone, it clearly shows his diet and training are severely lacking regardless of supplements.
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  7. Sorry for bumping this thread if my question/concern is not relative to the original topic but for the sake of not creating another thread, I believe it is. I understand that this question may have already been addressed but I keep reading counter arguments and debates on the matter. So I want to just ask this once and hopefully I'll be able to receive a productive answer, once and for all. There have been questions and concerns regarding 3,5-T2 about its potential suppressive effect on TSH. On the other side, there have also been questions in regards to 3,3-T2 and if it has any effect at all on TSH.

    So my question is does 3,5-T2 actually cause suppressive effects, when used ONLY in a manner as directed and cycled? And does 3,3-T2 have any positive effects at all on TSH, UCP activity, and overall energy expenditure?

    I've gathered up as many studies as I can find relevant to this question. From what I've gathered, I came to the understanding that 3,5-T2 can be suppressive if used in supraphysiological doses. I have yet to be conclusive on 3,3-T2 in regards to having any thyroidmimetic properties. I'm bringing this up because I still have my TT-33 from the New Year's sale and would really like to run it, but just want to make sure that there really is no need for PCT, although I, personally, would still run something (like LX) afterwards, just to be safe. Also because there is another popular product out right now that claims that 3,5-T2 does cause suppression of TSH and is why it is not included in their product. I am not going to say who or what product it is, but it is at Nutra and it's not hard to guess. I am also not calling them out, but as a consumer it's hard to find something conclusive on the matter and would just like a solid answer. Here are the studies that I've gathered for now.

    http://jme.endocrinology-journals.or...tract/19/2/137
    http://ajpregu.physiology.org/cgi/co...ull/293/2/R877
    http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/con...act/146/9/3959
    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...act/296/3/E497

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...1&searchtype=a

    Also I understand all of these weren't done in vivo, but I'm a little short time here.

  8. When i run TT-33 i run a PCT. To me I run this on my own terms and have concluded that a cheap effective PCT that also helps with my progress is a win win situation, even if suppression is absent.

    i use 200mg PCT of 7-keto DHEA. It boosts TSH.

    Do this and you should have nothing to worry about. I also add kelp in PCT for additional benefits.

    I never actually expect permanent suppression from TT-33, i really do it to get things back to normal asap.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    When i run TT-33 i run a PCT. To me I run this on my own terms and have concluded that a cheap effective PCT that also helps with my progress is a win win situation, even if suppression is absent.

    i use 200mg PCT of 7-keto DHEA. It boosts TSH.

    Do this and you should have nothing to worry about. I also add kelp in PCT for additional benefits.

    I never actually expect permanent suppression from TT-33, i really do it to get things back to normal asap.
    I appreciate the input ax. That was pretty much what I was suggesting when I said that'd even if suppression is minimal, at recommended doses, I would still run something afterwards just to further increase my progress and/or maintain it.

  10. http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/full/19/11/1552

    This study also shows, if I read it right, that not only does 3,5-T2 activate lipolysis, but does so without actually causing a thyrotoxic state, which can lead to hyperthyroidism. Now I don't think that entails that 3,5-T2 is not necessarily suppressive at super high doses, but I do believe it shows that there is no suppressive indications at the doses used in the study; also note that the study is on rats.

    Also note that in the first part, the group that was fed the HFD and administered 3,5-T2 (DT2 rats) were 13% lighter and had 29% increase in energy expenditure vs D rats (HFD diet fed only). Also note that muscle mass did not vary between D and N groups. This backed up my original theory that TT-33 would be excellent on a CKD or carb-cycling routine, whereas others feel it would be waste to run it without carbs.

    As you can see, I am pretty adamant on gathering factual data on both of these T2 isomers but can only find 3,5 studies and barely any data on 3,3. I'm going to keep scouting for it. By now I am convinced that 3,5 is active, and mildly convinced that it is suppressive even at low doses and proper PCT. On the other hand, I have yet to find anything on 3,3 in regards to it's activity. If anyone can chime in on 3,3 and can provide studies, that'd be great as it would help me place my order and not risk missing out on the current deals. I've already missed the labor day sale so I would like to score on the ones still standing.

  11. heres a thread worth of reading if your real set on finding tt-33 information

    http://www.prohormoneforum.com/fat-l...tion-rate.html
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  12. like ever I said the Stuff Works but needs up the dose 4-8 caps is all depends of tolerance (Lethargy)

    I see TT-33 bottle of 180 caps 6 caps a day is DA` Shiiiizzzzzzzzz

  13. Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    heres a thread worth of reading if your real set on finding tt-33 information

    http://www.prohormoneforum.com/fat-l...tion-rate.html
    No offense, but that thread didn't really provide me with any new information. Both the studies that the one member posted, I've read. Both those studies look at 3,5-T2 and not 3,3-T2. I am not trying to find more data on TT-33 as a product, I am trying to find data on 3,3-T2, PERIOD. I can barely find any that conclusively states it's activity on energy expenditure/metabolism and/or increase in serum GH or TSH. I already have TT-33 and can vouch for it's effectiveness.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    like ever I said the Stuff Works but needs up the dose 4-8 caps is all depends of tolerance (Lethargy)

    I see TT-33 bottle of 180 caps 6 caps a day is DA` Shiiiizzzzzzzzz
    180 capsules? I thought only 120 were sold?

    how long did you do tt-33 and how many caps per day?

    Quote Originally Posted by F355 View Post
    No offense, but that thread didn't really provide me with any new information. Both the studies that the one member posted, I've read. Both those studies look at 3,5-T2 and not 3,3-T2. I am not trying to find more data on TT-33 as a product, I am trying to find data on 3,3-T2, PERIOD. I can barely find any that conclusively states it's activity on energy expenditure/metabolism and/or increase in serum GH or TSH. I already have TT-33 and can vouch for it's effectiveness.
    Okay, just thought it may help.

    how your you how long did you do tt-33 and how many capsules?

    I am 225 lbs and using 6 capsules for six weeks. I may taper down or may not.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    like ever I said the Stuff Works but needs up the dose 4-8 caps is all depends of tolerance (Lethargy)

    I see TT-33 bottle of 180 caps 6 caps a day is DA` Shiiiizzzzzzzzz
    The 180 cap bottles are a killer, I really like them! I have found that 4 caps works great for me when bulking to stay lean. I really have not gotten the chance to cut with this all to much. We will see in my next contest prep!

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  16. Does anyone still not get what I'm saying here or is it not even worth it anymore? It probably doesn't help that I posted this in a company forum; I just don't want some dude yelling at me for just making another thread where I'd be able to get some decent answers.

    I don't see why I should get this other product whereas TT-33 actually contains the compound that supports the claims for thyroid metabolites. The reviews on their product doesn't really do me justice because I cannot find one piece of solid evidence that support 3,3-T2. Damn Nutra and their choice of stacks. Bring back the LX/TT-33 pack. I might just say screw it and go with an ECA and LX for a ~3 week cut.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by iForce Dave View Post
    I always advise to dose based on bodyweight. For someone over 200 pounds I think 6 caps is doable, as for 8 caps, I cant say I would recommend it but I have seen people dose it that high. But a lot of people are in the 160-180 pound range, hence the dose of 4 is recommended generally speaking.

    And also, part of the reason it may not be neccessary to taper is because there should be little to no impact on TSH levels. But it doesnt hurt to taper, if you are going to I would taper over 1-2 weeks going down 1-2 caps a day.
    If you're only using TT-33 for 30 days, wouldn't tapering down over 2 weeks be a little long? I picked up some TT-33 and have just started.

    Using Excel I did a little taper over a week for 120 pill bottle, how's this sound?

    Day 1 2
    Day 2-26 4
    Day 27-29 3
    Day 30-33 2
    Day 34 1

    Or could save that last pill for the next bottle.

  18. I'm on TT-33, ECA and Alpha-Burn. Awesome...awesome reuslts with a mediocre diet.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    I'm on TT-33, ECA and Alpha-Burn. Awesome...awesome reuslts with a mediocre diet.
    diet needs to be attended to first before any supplement. I recommend you get a handle on your diet before using any supplement.

    tt-33 is good stuff
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  20. ? for iForce reps.... if stacking Adipoxil & TT-33, how would you dose them. After reading both labels, I notice the Adipoxil has the same ingredients as TT-33 minus the stims obviously. The reason I ask is because of the whole 2-4 caps per day recommedations on the TT-33. But if taking both......it seems you're doubling the dosage...no?

    I'm weight in around 205-210lbs and don't have problems with stims, but I obviously don't wanna have any thyroid issues.

  21. use only the Adipoxil later use TT-33 and combine with other stim is not bad combine both but will cause lethargy.

  22. The bottle just indicates to take the caps spread throughout the day. Should it be on an empty stomach or not?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Gator762 View Post
    The bottle just indicates to take the caps spread throughout the day. Should it be on an empty stomach or not?
    yes man!

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  24. i am 4 weeks into a test e cycle, clean bulk - making fantastic strength and size gains but also some unwanted fat - would it be ideal to run the TT-33 while on test cycle to help make my bulk a "leaner" one - if so having 6 weeks left would i run the tt-33 now, or towards last 4 weeks? really what is the best time to run it? or better to run TT-33 after test cycle is over?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by phonefool View Post
    i am 4 weeks into a test e cycle, clean bulk - making fantastic strength and size gains but also some unwanted fat - would it be ideal to run the TT-33 while on test cycle to help make my bulk a "leaner" one - if so having 6 weeks left would i run the tt-33 now, or towards last 4 weeks? really what is the best time to run it? or better to run TT-33 after test cycle is over?
    If using it when bulking, 1 bottle will last 8 weeks. Most people use 2 caps daily when bulking. If you are not aware, thyroidals like tt33 can increase protein synthesis. As you get farther and farther into the AAS deal, you will see that many people use t3/t4 on cycle whether cutting or bulking to stay lean and to increase protein synthesis to make gains.

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  26. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    If using it when bulking, 1 bottle will last 8 weeks. Most people use 2 caps daily when bulking. If you are not aware, thyroidals like tt33 can increase protein synthesis. As you get farther and farther into the AAS deal, you will see that many people use t3/t4 on cycle whether cutting or bulking to stay lean and to increase protein synthesis to make gains.

    Mike
    im on 4 a day now of tt33 whilst bulking. havent noticed much of a thermogenic effect but the weather has also got a lot colder so its hard to compare!

  27. so at 2 caps a day 8 weeks is ok without a break? the additional protein synthesis sounds great but would i be better off at 4 caps a day if i want to burn off some of that unwanted fat one can get while bulking?

    also i believe i read on here somewhere that you are suppose to take this on an empty stomach? my stomach is rarely truely empty on this bulk lol...for instance if i wake up and take my first dose and then drink a protein shake immediately after with my cup of oats a few minutes after the shake...is that the best approach? or do i have to wait for the tt-33 to absorb on an empty stomach before i can eat? and b4 sleep i eat my cottage cheese / casein powder sludge mix...so i guess pm dose would be right before this final meal? ....at 2 caps a day obviously its 1 am 1 pm....at 4 caps would it be 2 at wake and 2 before sleep?


    also i have a lady friend very interested ...the question i have for her..she gets up at 5 am and does her aerobics first thing ...i read somewhere on here not to take tt 33 around your workout to avoid catabolism...so how long does she have to wait before first does in this case? (for me am and pm dosing works great my workout is mid - day)

    last question...would tt-33 work or be pointless for a friend who is currently not working out at all?

    sorry for so many questions but i have 0 experience with thermogenics, thyroidals, fat burners even....

    thanks

  28. Quote Originally Posted by phonefool View Post
    so at 2 caps a day 8 weeks is ok without a break? the additional protein synthesis sounds great but would i be better off at 4 caps a day if i want to burn off some of that unwanted fat one can get while bulking?

    also i believe i read on here somewhere that you are suppose to take this on an empty stomach? my stomach is rarely truely empty on this bulk lol...for instance if i wake up and take my first dose and then drink a protein shake immediately after with my cup of oats a few minutes after the shake...is that the best approach? or do i have to wait for the tt-33 to absorb on an empty stomach before i can eat? and b4 sleep i eat my cottage cheese / casein powder sludge mix...so i guess pm dose would be right before this final meal? ....at 2 caps a day obviously its 1 am 1 pm....at 4 caps would it be 2 at wake and 2 before sleep?


    also i have a lady friend very interested ...the question i have for her..she gets up at 5 am and does her aerobics first thing ...i read somewhere on here not to take tt 33 around your workout to avoid catabolism...so how long does she have to wait before first does in this case? (for me am and pm dosing works great my workout is mid - day)

    last question...would tt-33 work or be pointless for a friend who is currently not working out at all?

    sorry for so many questions but i have 0 experience with thermogenics, thyroidals, fat burners even....

    thanks
    Hopefully I answer all your questions here, I may miss something. If so, just re-ask it!

    As for your friend who does not work out, TT33 will help, but more than likely not enough to make a difference. It will enhance his metabolic rate, so even when resting it will be higher than normal, but I truly have my doubts it will do enough to promote fat loss that he is looking to achieve, at the same time I never recommend supplements over training and nutrition. Those two have to be in check before I will ever suggest relying on a supplement. TT33 is used to supplement and aid a good diet/workout program, not replace them.

    TT33 is best IMO taken on an empty stomach. Thyroidal hormones are bound by calcium and rendered inactive if my memory serves correct. In the hospital, all pts on synthroid are given it 30 minutes prior to breakfast. I have always taken my TT33 that way, as does my girlfriend. Just take it right away when you wake up. 2-4 caps for 6-8 weeks should be fine. Most people run it much higher and for much longer, but we at I-Force nutrition stand behind what our label says as the safe and recommended dosing.

    Your female friend, I would just take it first thing when she gets up. I don't play to much into the catabolic effect that quickly.

    Mike
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