[Azaloth]

Chuck,

I'm finally ready to rock and roll with another round of Get Diesel products.

Tell me the ultimate stack based on your Get Diesel line and I will place the order ASAP. Cost is not an issue, only safety and effectiveness, so hold nothing back. I'm also trusting you to include recommendations for products from other companies, if you feel they fill in any gaps or work synergistically, based on my goals below.

1. Rapid and lasting addition of lean mass (I'm at around 170 lbs and 6-7% bodyfat right now. Looking to maintain my BF% but pack on another 8-10 lbs as fast as possible).

2. Dramatic increases in strength. Lately due to injuries and time spent training mixed martial arts (rather than power lifting), my strength on key lifts is down a bit. I want something that is going to help get me back on track with strength gains, even if I'm only lifting heavy 2-4 days a week.

3. Speed, Endurance, and overall athletic performance - I'm training MMA quite seriously now and preparing for my first amateur fights.

4. No sexual shutdown - One of the reasons why I stick with natural/herbal supplements rather than prohormones and unproven new substances is that I'm really not into messing up my body's natural production of test or my sexual function.

5. Last but most important is SAFETY - If there's anything with even slightly dangerous sides, I don't want it in this stack.

Here are some of the other products I've used that I found most effective:

- Diesel Test (the original version w/big red horse pills) - it worked great but gave me the runs something fierce so I had to stop it prematurely.

- Omega Sports Cre-Ethyl Thunder - This was my stable creatine/pre-workout supplement for several years. I only cycled off it as I had built up such a natural resistance to its effects from the long period of continued use.

- Clout/Body Octane - These worked great and I plan to use again in the future.

- Drive/RPM/NeoVar/IGF-2 - To date this has been the most effective stack I've used. I gained lots of strength, a reasonable amount of lean body mass, and even leaned out a bit more. I'm hoping that the Get Diesel stack you recommend will be even better (consider it a challenge!)

Supplements I'd like to try (i.e. please let me know if you think these are worth adding to the Get Diesel products you recommend):

- 6-OXO Extreme (I have yet to use any reservatrol-based supplements and am curious)

- Synthesize (I've heard good things about AvantLabs and have been wanting to try this)

I'm open to a 4, 8, or 12 week stack, depending on what's the most safe and effective.

Thanks in advance for your advice. I've heard a lot of great things about NOS-ETHER and DTHC lately and am excited to try them out in conjunction with whatever else you recommend.

[BeAlliCanBe]

good post and im very close to trying get deisel products also.

im 36 and was brought up to be very skeptical about using supplements.always being told you dont need that.yohimbe has me concerned about its safety.and if your test levels increase what happens when you stop do they return to the same level before using get deisel or do they stay higher or go lower?should you cycle this stuff on for 4-8 weeks then off for a month or 2?

money isnt an issue for me either.just the confidence that its safe w/ no health issues.

hell i'd like to try all the get deisel products if im confident its safe.

most people would laugh at me being so cautious.the only thing ive ever tried was creatine once,years ago.im 5'6'' and weigh 175 and got to a 300 raw bench finally at 36yrs. old w/out the use of any supplements.i want the 2x bodyweight raw bench in the worst way.i find it harder to get a good nights rest,recover from workouts,pot belly harder to fight off,and libido is good but not like when i was 18.squats also seem very hard to recover from like 3-4 days to feel like im ready to rock n roll again.

i think a solid relationship w/ a very sexy woman would be great to have to help boost test,but am currently single

sorry for the rambling on but im interested also in a safe stack for all out strength,libido,energy and fat loss that wont affect my rest at night

my 1st post

goal someday is to raw bench 2x bdy wt w/ 6 pack abs,currently around 10 -14 % body fat

sucks getting older.along w/ working mandatory overtime!

these get deisel products sound awesome

[Chuck Diesel]

Originally Posted by Azaloth

Chuck,

I'm finally ready to rock and roll with another round of Get Diesel products.

Tell me the ultimate stack based on your Get Diesel line and I will place the order ASAP. Cost is not an issue, only safety and effectiveness, so hold nothing back. I'm also trusting you to include recommendations for products from other companies, if you feel they fill in any gaps or work synergistically, based on my goals below.

1. Rapid and lasting addition of lean mass (I'm at around 170 lbs and 6-7% bodyfat right now. Looking to maintain my BF% but pack on another 8-10 lbs as fast as possible).

2. Dramatic increases in strength. Lately due to injuries and time spent training mixed martial arts (rather than power lifting), my strength on key lifts is down a bit. I want something that is going to help get me back on track with strength gains, even if I'm only lifting heavy 2-4 days a week.

3. Speed, Endurance, and overall athletic performance - I'm training MMA quite seriously now and preparing for my first amateur fights.

4. No sexual shutdown - One of the reasons why I stick with natural/herbal supplements rather than prohormones and unproven new substances is that I'm really not into messing up my body's natural production of test or my sexual function.

5. Last but most important is SAFETY - If there's anything with even slightly dangerous sides, I don't want it in this stack.

Here are some of the other products I've used that I found most effective:

- Diesel Test (the original version w/big red horse pills) - it worked great but gave me the runs something fierce so I had to stop it prematurely.

- Omega Sports Cre-Ethyl Thunder - This was my stable creatine/pre-workout supplement for several years. I only cycled off it as I had built up such a natural resistance to its effects from the long period of continued use.

- Clout/Body Octane - These worked great and I plan to use again in the future.

- Drive/RPM/NeoVar/IGF-2 - To date this has been the most effective stack I've used. I gained lots of strength, a reasonable amount of lean body mass, and even leaned out a bit more. I'm hoping that the Get Diesel stack you recommend will be even better (consider it a challenge!)

Supplements I'd like to try (i.e. please let me know if you think these are worth adding to the Get Diesel products you recommend):

- 6-OXO Extreme (I have yet to use any reservatrol-based supplements and am curious)

- Synthesize (I've heard good things about AvantLabs and have been wanting to try this)

I'm open to a 4, 8, or 12 week stack, depending on what's the most safe and effective.

Thanks in advance for your advice. I've heard a lot of great things about NOS-ETHER and DTHC lately and am excited to try them out in conjunction with whatever else you recommend.

-NOS ETHER
-I dont know how DTH would work for you but to avoid the runs if you had a problem before go with TTE, at 6 to 8 caps day.

so go with:

NOS ETHER, ALA caps (300mg at NP) one with each dose of NOS ETHER or just one with AM or pre-workout dose of NOS ETHER, and TTE at 6-8caps/day or 4 or 5 DTH tabs day.

You also can use Read4war pre-workout if you want that aggressive training intensity.

8 week stack would be about:

(2) NOS ETHER
(3) Trib Test Extreme (or 2 DTH)
(2) Ready4war
(1) 100ct 300mg ALA caps

-That stack is Certified DIESEL.

That on about .8 to 1.3g protein per lb of bodyweight should net you about 5-10lbs lean muscle mass in 8-12 weeks over your normal LMM gain rate.

[Azaloth]

Thanks for the speedy reply, Chuck. I'll start filling up the ol' shopping cart with that stuff now (including R4W).

I'm willing to take my chances with DTHC and the runs if you think it would further enhance the stack. I've been meaning to try it for a while.

Also, I found a place to get DTHC, TTE bundled together with free RAW Test. Would there be any potential risks if I were to run all of these together? I know you said RAW Test is generally recommended for people over 27 but since my test levels have been low in the past, I figure it might give me a boost.

What are your thoughts?

[Chuck Diesel]

Originally Posted by Azaloth

Thanks for the speedy reply, Chuck. I'll start filling up the ol' shopping cart with that stuff now (including R4W).

I'm willing to take my chances with DTHC and the runs if you think it would further enhance the stack. I've been meaning to try it for a while.

Also, I found a place to get DTHC, TTE bundled together with free RAW Test. Would there be any potential risks if I were to run all of these together? I know you said RAW Test is generally recommended for people over 27 but since my test levels have been low in the past, I figure it might give me a boost.

What are your thoughts?

raw test is cool with DTH, i was saying more if your not taking DTH just using Raw test by itself for test elevation use it over 27.

Thats a good stack.

[Azaloth]

Originally Posted by Chuck Diesel

raw test is cool with DTH, i was saying more if your not taking DTH just using Raw test by itself for test elevation use it over 27.

Thats a good stack.

Okay, so no safety concerns? What about once I cycle off, will my body need to recover in any way? Will my test levels drop to below normal or will they remain at normal or elevated levels?

Finally, I'm just coming off an 8-week run of the Applied Neutraceuticals stack (NeoVar, IGF-2, Drive, and RPM). I ran out of some products before others, so by the end of this week it will be 1-2 weeks since I've been on everything. Should I wait a few more weeks before starting the Diesel stack or is it safe and effective to just jump right in?

Thanks for answering the questions. I'm pumped to place this order.

[BeAlliCanBe]

good post and great questions

looking forward to chucks answer to your questions as they will also answer mine too

[BeAlliCanBe]

i also wonder how long you should cycle off before another cycle

how long does someone typically cycle these supplements

[Chuck Diesel]

Originally Posted by Azaloth

Okay, so no safety concerns? What about once I cycle off, will my body need to recover in any way? Will my test levels drop to below normal or will they remain at normal or elevated levels?

Finally, I'm just coming off an 8-week run of the Applied Neutraceuticals stack (NeoVar, IGF-2, Drive, and RPM). I ran out of some products before others, so by the end of this week it will be 1-2 weeks since I've been on everything. Should I wait a few more weeks before starting the Diesel stack or is it safe and effective to just jump right in?

Thanks for answering the questions. I'm pumped to place this order.

what you would do is follow this chart:

http://www.getdiesel.com/pages/hardc...directions.htm

it has off days to cycle itself (sorta).

Also drive and rpm (neither) have any effect on testosterone levels to any noticable amount. DTH stack is a test boosting stack. You can jump right in.

[Chuck Diesel]

Originally Posted by BeAlliCanBe

i also wonder how long you should cycle off before another cycle

how long does someone typically cycle these supplements

u can run DTH 12 weeks on 2-4 weeks, some people run DTH 4 months on. Raw Test is something like 3 days on 1 off or something like that (its on the supplement facts) so you dont really need to cycle it since u dont take it everyday. But u can go do (2) 40 day stacks then take 20 days off.

[Azaloth]

What about IGF-2? I've been running it for about 8 weeks and it contains Safed Musli, Mucuna Pruriens, Rhodiola Rosea, and Dodder Seed and is supposed to increase test.

Any risks following it immediately with 8 weeks of DTHC/RAW Test/Trib Test Extreme?

This is hopefully my last question before I load up on R4W, NOS-ETHER, and the test stack I just mentioned. I'm stoked...

Originally Posted by Chuck Diesel

u can run DTH 12 weeks on 2-4 weeks, some people run DTH 4 months on. Raw Test is something like 3 days on 1 off or something like that (its on the supplement facts) so you dont really need to cycle it since u dont take it everyday. But u can go do (2) 40 day stacks then take 20 days off.

[Chuck Diesel]

dodder does have an effect on LH somewhat but if its not used with high doses of other test increasing herbs, it doesn't raise test. I don't know what that igf product is but no u don't need time off from those products before using the dth stack.

[Chuck Diesel]

that sulfi mushroom has an antiestrogen effect, dth reduces bad estrogen. just go right into the dth stack then u will what elevated test levels feel like.

[Azaloth]

Hi Chuck,

I'm finally ready to start all this stuff. My NP order arrived yesterday and I have the following supplements sitting in front of me:

• 1 Bottle of Disel Test Hardcore
  
• 1 Bottle of Trib Test Extreme
  
• 1 Bottle of R4W
  
• 1 Tub of NOS-ETHER
  
• 1 bottle of Cordygen5 (I compete in MMA and use this for a pre-fight endurance boost)
  
• Some bulk beta-alanine
  
• About 1/3rd of a bottle of left over RPM (which I will compare to R4W)
  
• Fish Oil
  
• MVP/ZMK stack for my multi-V, ZMA, and mineral support (what is your opinion of this, btw Chuck?)
  
• 1 Bottle of Primaforce 40% Cissus and some topical NOW Celadrin lotion (for joint pain/flexibility)

I just realized that I forgot to pick up the bulk ALA which you had recommended and I also missed out on the Free Raw Test (sucks!).

Anyway, I'm debating whether it makes sense for me to run all the Diesel stuff at once for an insane month of gains, or if I should create two stacks from this stuff to stretch out over 2 months. Cost is not a primary concern but I don't want to "overkill" things by using everything in 1 month when using say, just NOS-Ether and R4W or just DTH & TTE would yield almost the same results. Rest assured that if this stuff works, I will be buying more for many months.

So what's your advice, Chuck - one mega-stack or two stacks using the products above?

My goal is to pack on lasting gains of lean mass while increasing strength and explosive power.

Finally, I'm interested in your upcoming JP8 product. How would it compare to the R4W/NOS-ETHER combo in terms of lean mass gain and strength increases, and enhanced explosive power?

I'm pumped to have all this stuff ready to go and really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. If this stack is as wicked as I suspect it will be, you'll be getting a LOT of business from me in the future.