Okay, just figured I'd toss up a quick NOS Ether review, on the newer version that's out now. I was a biut skeptical at first without it containing beta alanine, but those thoughts were laid to rest once Chuck explained it to me. having tried and been using it now for a bit, I'm happy to report that it does what it says. I take it with JP8 before workouts, and 1 scoop after, as per directions. I was able to lower the dose of JP8, so that's a plus. Main things in the gym I'm noticing are being able to add a rep or even sometimes reps to a routine, and that's a good thing. Outside of the gym, I and others have noticed I'm looking a bit fuller, muscle wise, and that's a plus too. Weight has not gone up, good as well. Taste is fine, milder version of the taste from the black tub of NOS Ether. What I really like is the nothing artificial. Can't wait 'til the new DTH and DTP are out, then my stack will be complete!!