Yeah, it's pretty damn nuts. What I like is it gives me even more oomph, but not in a stim way. I'm taking some down time here off the JP8, so I picked up 2 tubs of NOS Ether. I thought I lucked out and got the new version, like the site said, but I got the old version, no biggie. Every body part gets stupid pumped from it, it's the real deal. My one bud kept beggin me for some, so I gave him 2 scoops, and he had just downed NO Explode. Keep in mind he's 3 inches shorter than me, and nearly 90lbs. heavier. Never does any cardio, but I swear he was doing the forty yard dash to the weights in record time. I got over to the dumbell rack for some shrugs and he's just sitting there. I asked him how he liked it and all he said was "I don't know how the hell I'm gonna fit into my shirt to bounce tonight at the Den. Christ, I can't even do any more shrugs, everything is so blown up. That's stuff's legal, right?" I about dropped the dumbells I was laughing so hard. It's crazy, any body part you work, at least for me, within 30-40 mins. of taking that combo, is super-pumped, even if I only did warm up sets!! I can't imagine what hte new version is like, with more Kre-alk and Cit. mallate. Good job Chuck, this stuff is insane!!