ORIGIN PREWORKOUT THREAD

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  1. Looks nice as long as the price point is good (should be from what I hear).


  2. Arnt all our products at a good price point?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    Arnt all our products at a good price point?
    Ya not doubting it will be, as I said I heard it should be nice.

    Should be a good combo with Protocol.

  4. It's very stackable. Simple and effective. You know what your getting and can add things based on personal preference.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    Arnt all our products at a good price point?
    Quote Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    It's very stackable. Simple and effective. You know what your getting and can add things based on personal preference.
    Agree with both here^^^
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    The only thing I'm not interested in is the inclusion of synephrine. It does have a nice elimination half-life of 2-3 hours, but it doesn't have any CNS penetration.
    This seems like it's going to be the focal point of contention for a lot of people, but there are a few things that need to be considered here... and I'm speaking generally here and not directing what I'm saying to you, domore...

    First, even at 1.5 servings, there isn't going to be that negative effect on hemodynamics that would occur with other novel stimulants; working with the vasodilative effects of caffeine that occur during exercise, this formula will actually serve to not increase blood pressure.

    There is also mixed evidence as to whether or not it does cross the BBB (however weakly), and non-existent affectation of the CNS isn't necessarily a bad thing when there are ingredients that do do that.

    There are also the proposed thermogenic and metabolic effects of the ingredient, and, as a catecholamine analog, there is a sympathomimetic component here that critics are overlooking. The direct effect on the CNS isn't needed.

    We're allowing the critics (and again, not you specifically, as this is something you've read elsewhere) to roam free at the moment because they dissect formulas well and hone in on single parts of a formula, but once the user feedback begins, we'll see where they stand then.

    After all, haters came out in droves when Craze was first released, too.
    HYBRID Performance Nutrition
    Mike ~ R/D

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    This seems like it's going to be the focal point of contention for a lot of people, but there are a few things that need to be considered here... and I'm speaking generally here and not directing what I'm saying to you, domore...

    First, even at 1.5 servings, there isn't going to be that negative effect on hemodynamics that would occur with other novel stimulants; working with the vasodilative effects of caffeine that occur during exercise, this formula will actually serve to not increase blood pressure.

    There is also mixed evidence as to whether or not it does cross the BBB (however weakly), and non-existent affectation of the CNS isn't necessarily a bad thing when there are ingredients that do do that.

    There are also the proposed thermogenic and metabolic effects of the ingredient, and, as a catecholamine analog, there is a sympathomimetic component here that critics are overlooking. The direct effect on the CNS isn't needed.

    We're allowing the critics (and again, not you specifically, as this is something you've read elsewhere) to roam free at the moment because they dissect formulas well and hone in on single parts of a formula, but once the user feedback begins, we'll see where they stand then.

    After all, haters came out in droves when Craze was first released, too.
    Hey Smitty,

    I'm not trying to defame Genomyx or Origin. I am just stating my opinion on synephrine.

    As with all supplements, the masses can nit-pick and analyze the formula down to the bone, and share their dislike and their opinions. I'm sure we could spend countless hours going back and forth posting studies on synephrine, but doing so will not get us anywhere.

    I'll remain rooted in my stance on synephrine, but that doesn't mean I won't give Origin a chance. I have been exceptionally pleased with the Genomyx products I have tried, and I am pleased with the direction you guys have decided to take Genomyx.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Hey Smitty,

    I'm not trying to defame Genomyx or Origin. I am just stating my opinion on synephrine.

    As with all supplements, the masses can nit-pick and analyze the formula down to the bone, and share their dislike and their opinions. I'm sure we could spend countless hours going back and forth posting studies on synephrine, but doing so will not get us anywhere.

    I'll remain rooted in my stance on synephrine, but that doesn't mean I won't give Origin a chance. I have been exceptionally pleased with the Genomyx products I have tried, and I am pleased with the direction you guys have decided to take Genomyx.
    No worries, dude... I didn't think that was your aim at all. I've/we've read the comments on other boards regarding the synephrine, and I usually just keep my mouth shut and not bother fueling flames.

    We're aware of the negative research, and are aware of the positive and don't just throw ingredients in for the sake of fluffing up the label... most of our supporters know this.

    What our critics don't really take the time to realize is that this incarnation of Origin is a beta formula. If we find that synephrine adds nothing, or our customers don't particularly care for its inclusion, we'll take it out... simple as that. That's an enormous reason why we look to and encourage honest feedback from our customers...

    If Origin v1 doesn't work for you, Origin v2 will.
    HYBRID Performance Nutrition
    Mike ~ R/D

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    No worries, dude... I didn't think that was your aim at all. I've/we've read the comments on other boards regarding the synephrine, and I usually just keep my mouth shut and not bother fueling flames.

    We're aware of the negative research, and are aware of the positive and don't just throw ingredients in for the sake of fluffing up the label... most of our supporters know this.

    What our critics don't really take the time to realize is that this incarnation of Origin is a beta formula. If we find that synephrine adds nothing, or our customers don't particularly care for its inclusion, we'll take it out... simple as that. That's an enormous reason why we look to and encourage honest feedback from our customers...

    If Origin v1 doesn't work for you, Origin v2 will.
    No harm, no foul, Smitty. I didn't mean it as a flame on your product. I'm sure it will be a great product, and have the same cult following your other products have. You guys are transforming yourselves into an even better company.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    No harm, no foul, Smitty. I didn't mean it as a flame on your product. I'm sure it will be a great product, and have the same cult following your other products have. You guys are transforming yourselves into an even better company.
    Thanks, dude!

    When it launches, get in touch with me if you'd like to log it for us.
    HYBRID Performance Nutrition
    Mike ~ R/D

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    Thanks, dude!

    When it launches, get in touch with me if you'd like to log it for us.
    Thanks, Smitty. I appreciate it. I'll be in touch sometime.

  12. Was going to post the label in here but my post count apparently isnt high enough. Whoops
    GENOMYX ~ Where Evolution Begins
    Tyler ~ Forum Representative
    http://www.nutraplanet.com/manufacturer/genomyx/

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Tyler44 View Post
    Was going to post the label in here but my post count apparently isnt high enough. Whoops
    Lame.

    HYBRID Performance Nutrition
    Mike ~ R/D

  14. Awesome lookin pre-workout!
    Core Nutritionals Representative

  15. Oh yeah, this will be used for sure here!
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  16. And just to sweeten the deal, this will be priced very competitively... We're thinking $2x.xx.
    HYBRID Performance Nutrition
    Mike ~ R/D

  17. Like the label. Will look nice stacked on top of my Protocol stash.

  18. Maybe a Genomyx Christmas tree promo might be in the works

  19. Looks cool, nice that you used the DiCaf malate, what is the rosavin percentage for the rhodiola ?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by ryanp81 View Post
    Looks cool, nice that you used the DiCaf malate, what is the rosavin percentage for the rhodiola ?
    I'm almost positive that it's 3%/1%.

    EDIT: Yup... the original label had it at 3% rosavins/1% salidrosides
    HYBRID Performance Nutrition
    Mike ~ R/D

  21. non-prop blends have me everytime!
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  22. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    non-prop blends have me everytime!
    And you'll never see another one from us... We would rather catch sh't and defend ourselves against this complaint or that complaint, than to hide it away.
    HYBRID Performance Nutrition
    Mike ~ R/D

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    I'm almost positive that it's 3%/1%.

    EDIT: Yup... the original label had it at 3% rosavins/1% salidrosides
    I figured it was that percentage per the dose....should do a bang up job of ramping up that good ole' dopamine and neurotrans, the combo of SSV2 with this is gonne be awesome for energy and mood boost via adaptogens and the added goodies ( Na-r-ala, theanine, etc. )

  24. We had to juggle back and fourth with this formula a lot. Personally I. Love the formula we settled with.

    Phones messed up sorry for the grammar

  25. Just had some a little while ago and its awesome. Flavor is really good. Slight after taste but nothing bad at all. 12oz of water seems to be the sweet spot.

  26. When will I be purchasing this?? Lol
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  27. Origin will leave the manufacture next Friday. Shortly after that

  28. Very nice, Thx!!
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  29. NP well be picking loggers very soon

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    Lame.

    Nice! This looks awesome!
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