- 08-30-2011, 11:23 AM
- 08-30-2011, 11:58 AM
I have just changed my avatar to a photo from my last shoot. This is about the body fat I am now but I lost some muscle while injured and not training. I would say about 8%.PEScience Representative
08-30-2011, 12:31 PM
Lower bodyfat levels are more noticeable, for sure...however I have a client on it every morning, who started out in a TIGHT sized 42 that is now in a loose 38.
08-30-2011, 02:11 PM
08-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Major diet changes, he works out with me, and I had him buy some Ultra Peptide 2.0 and whey. He takes SlinSane preworkout and during cheat meals.
08-30-2011, 06:55 PM
08-30-2011, 09:05 PM
Flavor, first of all. Second, it does offer some carbs with some essential fatty acids. The flavor profile is so delicious and potent that you can pick up some vanilla or unflavored whey to boost up the protein content.
In my shakes, I do the following (example)
2 scoops of Whole Oat Powder
1-2 tbsp olive oil
1 scoop UP 2.0
2 scoops UP Whey
End up with around 60-70 grams of carbs, mostly low GI, 65 grams of protein, and around 30 grams of fat. A GREAT morning shake.
08-30-2011, 10:43 PM
It certainly is (imo) the best topical, but I do wish the sides were a little less annoying. Smolder isn't as hot, but it still gets pretty cooking!
08-30-2011, 11:04 PM
I have the same problem as well. I love the eviscerate topicals n the original one i first used didnt bother me.. I used it again and i was so uncomfortable the burning kept me from sleeping.
I tried the smoulder n it still bothers me far to much. My wife on the other hand can use it and it doesnt bother her.
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08-30-2011, 11:21 PM
08-31-2011, 11:43 AM
Word of advice for anyone who is buying Eviscerate. Just because you can handle the burn doesn't mean everyone else can!
I used it on my stomach yesterday morning. About 6 hours later my girlfriend and I were in bed, she obviously managed to get it on her hand from touching my abs. A few minutes later as intercourse progressed and I felt it burning my genitals which had transferred from her hand. No big deal, it didn't burn that much. About 10 minutes later, during sex she had to stop and wash herself because it was burning inside her.
I didn't even notice the burn on my abs by that point but obviously it still lingers lol.
Dsade; I tried putting it on my arms and shoulders pre workout but didn't notice much. How much do you apply? I used one pump on each.
08-31-2011, 06:24 PM
I actually use 1 1/2 on each small bodypart (each shoulder OR bicep/tricep). Too much, or too wide of an area is counterproductive.
Also, we are combining Eviscerate and Slick Pleasures into a new product...for the sadomasochists.
09-01-2011, 07:05 AM
How soon can you take a bath after applying smolder in your opinion?
Check my AnaBeta, Erase and DAA log at:
09-01-2011, 09:46 AM
09-02-2011, 11:17 AM
This morning my girlfriend asked if I remember her getting up in the middle of the night, to which I replied no. She told me she got up and washed her face four times because the Eviscerate had transferred from my arm to her cheek and around her eye. Out of consideration I have decided to make the second application earlier in the day to let some of the ferocity dissipate.
I have just finished my new legs programme. It was a high volume workout which left me sweating considerably. On the drive home the burning sensation from the Eviscerate on my abs and arms was more intense than when I first applied it. So much so that it was easily a more pronounced hot feeling than when applying any hot muscle rub I have used.
It might be the diuretic effects but it is fair to say that my abs are looking good at the moment. I am regaining muscle I lost while taking 18 days off training due to injury and despite me getting heavier my abs are looking leaner than they were last week which is fantastic. I don't have a before photo but I might stick one up from after my run anyway.
09-03-2011, 09:04 PM
I am guilty to say that my bottle only lasted 2 weeks, due entirely to my Wolverine body hair absorbing all the solution!
Will be looking at getting some Ablid and Eviscerate for a bit of experimentation. Abliderate should target the Abs better than Eviscerate?
09-05-2011, 06:46 AM
As no Genomyx reps have responded to this Abliderate is supposed to be better for visceral fat with Eviscerate being better for subcutaneous. Abliderate has just hit the UK as you are probably aware already.
09-05-2011, 10:36 AM
09-09-2011, 09:37 AM
we're a staff of 5 (including the CEO), so we're going to increase that number to keep up with our growth.
aside from all that, the answer above is correct... abliderate is more useful to those with a higher BF %, while eviscerate is the yin to abliderate's yang. both can be used effectively no matter the %, though.
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09-09-2011, 09:42 AM
Smitty, do you notice fat loss from the arms on Eviscerate? I understand abdominal and pec application but don't understand arms other than some people getting a pump from it pre training.
09-09-2011, 11:59 AM
matt is in a better position to answer this as he pioneered the arms application.
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Mike ~ R/D
09-09-2011, 12:02 PM
I hope so because I have been putting it on my arms religiously since he recommended it! At a dose lower than his though as I guess from the avatar his arms are 'slightly' bigger than mine.
09-09-2011, 12:15 PM
09-09-2011, 01:09 PM
09-09-2011, 06:13 PM
09-14-2011, 11:03 AM
There seems to be a lot of confusion here, so let me quickly clarify.
VAT = Visceral Adipose Tissue. Located BEHIND the abdominal wall and surrounding internal organs. These fatty deposits are deadly, and WILL kill you. They are mediated mainly by alcohol intake and cortisol levels, as well as systemic inflammation. It is possible to have visible abs, while still having a major VAT problem. If your waist is 34 inches or higher for men, you likely have a VAT problem. VAT problems can also go along with SAT problems.
SAT - Subcutaneous fat. These are accumulations of fat OUTSIDE of the abdominal wall, and is squishy to the touch. This is usually the result of low energy expenditure (sometimes with thyroid problems) and excessive calorie intake. Primary mediators are PPARs and catecholamine receptors (alpha and beta).
Eviscerate and SMOLDER tackle both kinds of fat, with VAT a lower priority than SAT. Abliderate and Advanced primarily target VAT, with little effect on SAT other than potentiating thyroid actions.
10-06-2011, 02:20 PM
Burns like hell and I feel that really kicks my workouts up a gear due to the increased thermogenesis from the burning heat.
Im onto my second bottle though I have noticed its effects more on the side of abs/lower back than my lower abs and I'm around about 13-15% bf.
That said just a side note if it gets anyway near your unit,your ****ing dead.
10-08-2011, 02:25 AM
When I used Eviscerate the it seemed that the burning would randomly come out of no where. I would be fine and all the sudden it felt like a hot plate on my stomach! I only had 1 Issue with staining and I applied way to much and didnt wait for it to dry enough. it wasnt a bad stain and washed out easily. I also had an instance where my GF had to stop what we were doing and go wash because some transferred to her skin.
I used it on my arms shoulders abs and love handles. It was most effective in order for my Shoulders, Arms, Love handles, Lower abs.
I used Java lather before applying and to wash my hands after. It worked really well getting the Eviscerate off my hands.
10-09-2011, 09:24 AM
As MM11 says, the heat was seemingly random. Also conventional soaps don't seem to get rid of the formula from your hands as you will find out to your detriment later on when you're on the toilet or scratch an itch on your eye!
I recommend using disposable latex gloves to apply it for this reason.
10-10-2011, 02:03 PM
Oh, my dear and fluffy Lord! Of course, I KNOW better than to try and shower it off, and I have to "maintain" in front of everyone else in the sauna (who all thought I was crazy, anyway, sitting on the top bench in a sauna suit), and not scream, cry or otherwise demonstrate the level of . . . sensation down there.
It was hours before things calmed down.
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