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ub6ib91

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Alright, i want to start my first cycle. I have my pre load cycle for liver supports down, and my pct down with nolva at 40/40/20/20. I have,
2 bottles methyl masterdrol (Superdrol)
2 bottles mega trn
2 bottles x-mass
2 bottles mega zol

I want to save the zol, if possible for a later cycle when i want to harden my muscles pre contest, but what would be good for my first, bulking cycle? Out of the supps i listed, what should my first cycle look like?

Thanks guys!
 
Pick one of those products and run it solo. There's no sense in running more than one chemical for a first cycle. If you run a bunch of different stuff at once, and you get different sides, then you wont know whats causing the problems.
 
idunk42 said:
Pick one of those products and run it solo. There's no sense in running more than one chemical for a first cycle. If you run a bunch of different stuff at once, and you get different sides, then you wont know whats causing the problems.
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Thanks for your help man. But thats what i was looking at doing. I am just lost as to what to use as a standalone. I was going to do superdrol at 10/20/20, but then i got the gerneric labz products, and im not sure of what to do now.

Is there a beter standalone then superdrol, which is the best option for bulking?

Thanks a lot!
 
ub6ib91 said:
Thanks for your help man. But thats what i was looking at doing. I am just lost as to what to use as a standalone. I was going to do superdrol at 10/20/20, but then i got the gerneric labz products, and im not sure of what to do now.

Is there a beter standalone then superdrol, which is the best option for bulking?

Thanks a lot!
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Out of the list you have SD is superior for bulking.
 
Would x-mass as a standalone at 4-6 weeks provide good bulking gains? I no x-mass is soppose to destroy your libido, but ill get that back, so im not worried. I have nolva as well as other test boosters for pct. Also, would it require the same liver protectants as superdrol?
 
ub6ib91 said:
Would x-mass as a standalone at 4-6 weeks provide good bulking gains? I no x-mass is soppose to destroy your libido, but ill get that back, so im not worried. I have nolva as well as other test boosters for pct. Also, would it require the same liver protectants as superdrol?
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From what I've seen X-mass works good stand alone. Do a search for 'Max LMG' and read a couple logs. Some of the people actually got a boost in libido while running it standalone. As far as liver protectants, its not methylated, but milk thistle never hurts, and is cheap as hell, so I would run it anyways. I'm actually running a non-methyl all oral cycle right now andI'm taking milk thistle, because it was like $8 for 125g.
 
WannaGro said:
I'm actually running a non-methyl all oral cycle right now andI'm taking milk thistle, because it was like $8 for 125g.
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wannagro where did get that milk thistle so cheap!
 
IMO X-Mass and masterdrol would be a DAMN GOOD bulking stack. For a first cycle, though, X-Mass by itself would work.
 
WannaGro said:
From what I've seen X-mass works good stand alone. Do a search for 'Max LMG' and read a couple logs. Some of the people actually got a boost in libido while running it standalone. As far as liver protectants, its not methylated, but milk thistle never hurts, and is cheap as hell, so I would run it anyways. I'm actually running a non-methyl all oral cycle right now andI'm taking milk thistle, because it was like $8 for 125g.
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I personally add it to my protein shakes while I'm "on"...as opposed to capping it.

But there is some research out there that says Milk Thistle doesn't do much in terms of liver protection or regeneration...NAC is more proven in the case of liver health.

Also, just because a compound is non methylated doesn't mean its not going to put stress on your liver...all orals put a lot of stress on that particular organ becuase the liver sees it as an foreign compound (just like it sees alcohol), methyls are just worse.

Just my $0.02
 
Alright, so say i use x-mass as my first cycle ever.. Can you guys just help me with these last few answers.

1. What should i use for pct, is nolva really nessisary? I have it. But would an ATD be okay since this isnt a strong cycle, like superdrol, or is it?

2. I am going to take, 1gm of hawthorn berry daily for bp. Do i need to pre load on liver supps? If i get ax Perfect cycle, how many caps should i take daily on cycle?

3. Finally, how many weeks should i run this, at what dosage? Will it shut me down hard like superdrol? Im not worried, just curious.

Thanks guys!
 
1. Use Nolva. All AAS run the risk of gyno and T suppression.

2. Pre loading support supps is a good idea, although not nessecary. I don't know the dosages for perfect cycle though.

3. I would run X-Mass at 40/80/80/120 (depending on how you feel).
 
PumpingIron said:
I personally add it to my protein shakes while I'm "on"...as opposed to capping it.

But there is some research out there that says Milk Thistle doesn't do much in terms of liver protection or regeneration...NAC is more proven in the case of liver health.

Also, just because a compound is non methylated doesn't mean its not going to put stress on your liver...all orals put a lot of stress on that particular organ becuase the liver sees it as an foreign compound (just like it sees alcohol), methyls are just worse.

Just my $0.02
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I tried to add to drinks and I really did not like the taste. As far as it possibly not working, I know I have read a few of those studies. I just figure that its so cheap that if by chance there is even a slight benifit, then its worth it. I do also run NAC as well as some form of ALA with every cycle, regardless of methylation. I also realize that non-methylated compounds can be damaging/stressful to the liver, but I don't remember seeing a bloodtests, or hearing that X-mass/Max LMG effected liver values much. Since it was supposedly created to be stacked with a methyl (Ergomax LMG) it was supposed to be very mild.
 
ub6ib91 said:
2. I am going to take, 1gm of hawthorn berry daily for bp. Do i need to pre load on liver supps? If i get ax Perfect cycle, how many caps should i take daily on cycle?

3. Finally, how many weeks should i run this, at what dosage? Will it shut me down hard like superdrol? Im not worried, just curious.
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2. I've read multiple times that it takes about a month for these types of supps to really start working at their full potential. It seems that some even run these year around on & off cycle. I would pre-load the MT and the HB if you have the means/time.
3. You may want to post your stats for suggestions on doseages. I'm not sure about being shutdown b/c I've never tried this stuff, but I have read that XMass will actually increase libido at the proper amounts and shouldn't decrease your libido unless you are taking too much. I guess more isn't always better! Good Luck Bro!
 
Well, im 5`3, kinda short, well actually very short, but my growth plates are fused. Im around 200lbs at 14-15% bodyfat.

Should i run a 4 week cycle or a 6 week cycle of X-mass standalone as my first cycle?
 
WannaGro said:
Right now oNe place has it for 8.95 for 125g, and another plaCe has it for 7.99 for 100g.
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Megadose, look at this post again careful, because more than one board sponsor caries it, I don't want to specifically say one over the other.
 
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