Hi socal thanks for the reply I've done a few cycles with sdrol already as well as many other cycles over the last decade the matter of adding the trn later was due to the fact i was already on the drol and wanted to add a non methyl in to keep the cycle going a little longer. I did a search on the zol but couldn't really find any post that talked about drying out the joints. in the past when running winny i was running deca or eq in conjuction which helped with the joint issue so I guess my main question to anyone is do you feel I will need to add any other extra joint supps in if I throw in the zol