[xtraflossy]

..yeah, sucky title,.. I might change that later..





My application for testing this product can be found here, along with diet details:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/gener...idrol-log.html

The dose is to be maintained at 30mg unless otherwise noted.

I would like to thank the folks at Genera Supplements for providing the chance to run this log!! I have used Havoc before and will compare the way I beleive them to be different, or simular as well as tracking my training, measurements and hopefully some pics here too

I will keep an updated Excel sheet outlining my training, attached to this post for easy access. I am moving towards a more higher rep range as oppposed to my 6-8 rep range throughout this log.

[xtraflossy]

CURRENT MEASUREMENTS 7/20/07:

ARMS (bent in L possisition)
L= 15.5
R= 15.24

LEGS (taken around thighs)
L= 24
R= 23.5

WAIST (around navel) 36.5

CALVES
L= 15.75
R= 15.75

FORARMS
L= 12.25
R= 12

BODY WEIGHT: 180 (on home scale ~5lbs off)

[prld2gr8ns]

LOL, I like the title.

Nice start.

[Solitude]

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[kwyckemynd00]

Best of luck; interested to see how Genera's methylepithiostanol works out. This is the fourth brand I know of (great price), how many are there of these things now?

[Solitude]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Best of luck; interested to see how Genera's methylepithiostanol works out. This is the fourth brand I know of (great price), how many are there of these things now?

About 13 that I know of.

1. RPN Havoc
2. IBE Epistane
3. Anabolic Formulations Epi-MAX
4. Generic Labz Epithin-E
5. Genera Supplements Epidrol
6. EST Methyl E
7. SFR Hemaguno
8. IDS Oxodrol Pro
9. BCS Labs CynergE
10. Armor Nutrition Epi-Mass
11. Armor Nutrition Halo-E
12. Black Dragon Methylstane
13. Purus Labs E-Pol

So many of 'em, hey.

[nycste]

gluck. i just started EPISTANE with phera.

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by Solitude

About 13 that I know of.

1. RPN Havoc
2. IBE Epistane
3. Anabolic Formulations Epi-MAX
4. Generic Labz Epithin-E
5. Genera Supplements Epidrol
6. EST Methyl E
7. SFR Hemaguno
8. IDS Oxodrol Pro
9. BCS Labs CynergE
10. Armor Nutrition Epi-Mass
11. Armor Nutrition Halo-E
12. Black Dragon Methylstane
13. Purus Labs E-Pol

So many of 'em, hey.

Wow...so which are giving the 270 and which are giving the 288 M+? (j/k)

[pistonpump]

im in to see how it compares with havoc

[Solitude]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Wow...so which are giving the 270 and which are giving the 288 M+? (j/k)

LOL!

I was hoping you could tell me.

[xtraflossy]

Originally Posted by pistonpump

im in to see how it compares with havoc

Here is the difference...

I am VERY supprised! I have taken almost the full bottle of Havoc. .. I have been on only 2 days with Epidrol... That's all I needed to feel the difference.
With Havoc, I never really felt much, if anything (which is good I suppose), but I also never felt that anti E effects so much, and I didn't notice any signs that it stimulated any LH increases. Libido wise,. .it litterally did nothing!,. .no increase, no decrease. I did somehow feel a bit suppressed after a while, since there was no libido increase, ANY suppression could be felt..

Now with Epidrol, (which HAS to be the one most comoparrable to the other, more "Alpha" versions that are out), I most certinly get an ON feel ,. with the good mood ,I DO get a big boost in Libido, I actually feel my "boys" swell up, and I want to poke anything with a temperature of 98.6 degrees .
This is SUCH a releif, as I had high hopes for Epi, and Havoc really let me down. I don't think it's a bad product (havoc), I just didn't really get anything out of it.
So, Epidrol is the one I am going to recomend (or whichever MW this one is , with the whole 288 thing- I read those threads a while ago).

Honestly,.. between Havoc and Epidrol, they DON'T even feel like the same product, not even simular!
I beleive there should be some sort of labeling on the bottle to distinguish between the two mixtures of Epi powders becasue they just feel like two completely different compounds to me.
(And I spent $15 more on the Havoc!! )

Anabolicly, I can not say right now. But I think that this is going to be MUCH MUCH better,.. but time will tell.

MOOD:
HAVOC- Did nothing for my mood
EPIDROL- Like prozac for the soal really

AntiE:
Havoc- I couldn't really tell if there wa any anti E effects, at ANY dose. 10mg to 40mg.
Epidrol- SEEMS to have some anti E effects as my libido and basketballs both increase. Wether this is due to antiE, or a increased production in LH, is unclear. I'd say whatever it is, is VERY welcome.

PRICE
This is obvious, Epidrol is around $30, Havoc is at least $40.
And from what I have mentioned above, I'd choose Epidrol every time (even if they were priced the same).

This is just a guy giving his opinion, after weighing his options.
Aside from the bottle of EpiDrol, I get nothing out of writing a possitive review.

[Solitude]

Wow! That is great news!

[kwyckemynd00]

Interesting stuff...thx for the update; I'll def. continue to watch this log.

[xtraflossy]

Yesterday (Wed) was my easy day.
I counted my ride home from work as my cardio, and I concentrated on the little things, shrugs, forarms, abs....

I was reading some posts here yesterday in the Excercise science part, and thought I'd test out some painfully slow reps.. So I did 2 sets of 3sec concentric bicept curls with the easy bar to see how that felt.. DAMN!,.. We have a pretty heavy EZ curl bar, and I couldn't do more then 7 reps with 25's on the sides!! (Of course, the time adds up. 3 sec contractions, 2 sec negatives.. not to mention I usually do alternate curls so the TUT factor was crucial)
Then I decided to do 2 sets on tris,.. followed by a few sets of forarms,.. I even did my shrugs that way too.
I make a point not to write down what I do with the sets and reps on Wednesdays,.. I will go mainly on instinct, and I want to save the time becasue IT's a quick day.

I'm Filling out my workout sheet, and will post it soon. I am thinking that I will be using these slow movements for a while on a few body parts, so the numbers might be off while I calibrate the weight I will be using to get a neffective starting rep range.

The Epidrol still has me feeling pretty good though!
Girlie is comming over Tonight so I'll be doing a few sets of my Hot chick lap raises before bed , as well as taking upper body measurements.

Sorry for the crappy log here, but It takes a few days to notice effects of the Epi,..

I promise, This will be cleaned up nicely here soon!!

[nycste]

Originally Posted by xtraflossy

Yesterday (Wed) was my easy day.
I counted my ride home from work as my cardio, and I concentrated on the little things, shrugs, forarms, abs....

I was reading some posts here yesterday in the Excercise science part, and thought I'd test out some painfully slow reps.. So I did 2 sets of 3sec concentric bicept curls with the easy bar to see how that felt.. DAMN!,.. We have a pretty heavy EZ curl bar, and I couldn't do more then 7 reps with 25's on the sides!! (Of course, the time adds up. 3 sec contractions, 2 sec negatives.. not to mention I usually do alternate curls so the TUT factor was crucial)
Then I decided to do 2 sets on tris,.. followed by a few sets of forarms,.. I even did my shrugs that way too.
I make a point not to write down what I do with the sets and reps on Wednesdays,.. I will go mainly on instinct, and I want to save the time becasue IT's a quick day.

I'm Filling out my workout sheet, and will post it soon. I am thinking that I will be using these slow movements for a while on a few body parts, so the numbers might be off while I calibrate the weight I will be using to get a neffective starting rep range.

The Epidrol still has me feeling pretty good though!
Girlie is comming over Tonight so I'll be doing a few sets of my Hot chick lap raises before bed , as well as taking upper body measurements.

Sorry for the crappy log here, but It takes a few days to notice effects of the Epi,..

I promise, This will be cleaned up nicely here soon!!

puped to bring my epistane dosages up hopefully it feels like your epidrol. but yea ive been doing TUTS since i started my new log and these thingsare killing me bro. also doing some light weight and i feel liek such a weenie but its hard as hell.