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    Kid loaded up the smith machine with 3 plates on each side...


    and BOOM!!!!!! Barely even picked it up and dropped it on the ground. The same kid who put 275 and was going 4 inches down as a "squat." The funny thing is, two guys from the gym rushed up, picked it up, then walked him out of the rec. Oh, the kid was like 6'0'' and 140lbs too. When will people learn form over weight!

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    man... I hate when people are rough on equipment. Just ruins it for other people. did they kick him out for good?
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    People feel stupid for starting off with low weights. They see every one lifting big and only want to do the same. That is how people get injured, and also how the use of certain supplements go wrong...
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    Guy at my GYM [ club ] puts 505 on the smith and squats about 6 to 8 inches. SOoo I ask [ cant help myself ] Do partial squats really work good. He said yup the are great. HUH I said - I heard full range of motion was even better. NA he said - to high a risk of injury. And its more exciting to Squat heavy. Some times I think I must have it all backwords
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    Quote Originally Posted by poacher View Post
    Guy at my GYM [ club ] puts 505 on the smith and squats about 6 to 8 inches. SOoo I ask [ cant help myself ] Do partial squats really work good. He said yup the are great. HUH I said - I heard full range of motion was even better. NA he said - to high a risk of injury. And its more exciting to Squat heavy. Some times I think I must have it all backwords
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    Thats funny. Squating 6 inches is gona get you results? that done even COUNT as a squat...
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    While not dropping all the way down doesn't technically count as a squat it can still have benefit. I've know several people who do partials and have nice sized legs. To those people it doesn't hurt various parts of their body (according to their reasoning).

    In the end, people have been getting huge for years and yet most information has changed over the decades. Just do what works for you and let the others do the same. If they ask for advice then give it if you feel inclined. Just sort of iritates me a bit when people seem to find so much fault in other people's motives and actions in the gym.
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    i still say leave your ego at the door...if i'm squating my @ss is is in the grass. why go through all that effort and soreness for half the development?
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    Same reason why you'll see 7 forms for biceps. Too many people get caught up in ass to the grass form and tend to forget that there could be many reasons, including stupidity, on why they do what they do. Why does it matter on how they work out? As long as they aren't interrupting yours or taking up equipment by just sitting on it, then just work out and move on.
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    true, but breaking equipment and dropping 300+ would interrupt my workout. i do agree with some varity for more development, but doing partial reps all the time...come'on dude!
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    Not to mention that partial reps are the HARDEST on your knees, not going ATG is bad. He'll end up requiring knee surgery and he and his doc will blame squats.





    They Don't Know Squat
    By John Paul Catanzaro

    There seems to be much confusion amongst trainers and trainees as to whether squats should be performed all the way down or just half way.

    In most gyms today, a common instruction during squats, deadlifts, and lunges (as taught by many personal training organizations) is not to allow the knees to travel beyond the toes.

    Doing so will ultimately cause the destruction of your knees! I do not agree. There are certain instances where partial range of motion (ROM) is indicated, but for the most part, I teach people the full squat for the following reasons:

    - It is the most primitive movement pattern known to man; our ancestors used to perform many daily functions (i.e. harvesting, gathering, hunting, cooking, eating, etc.) in a full squat position.

    - Also, in case anyone hasn't noticed, we spend 40 weeks in the fetal position (which is basically a full squat) prior to entering this world - do we come out with bad knees?

    - We should strive to train in full ROM for each and every exercise. The squat is no exception.

    - Every exercise produces stress around a joint - the body then adapts to this stress.

    - Cocontraction of the quadriceps, hamstrings and gastrocnemius maintains integrity around the knee joint.

    - Sheering and compressive forces do occur around the knee joint (as opposed to only sheering forces that occur in some open kinetic chain lower body exercises, such as the leg extension); however, the large contact area of the patella with the femoral groove (as knee flexion increases during the full squat) helps to dissipate compressive forces.

    - Therefore, not only is the squat - as a closed chain exercise - considered a natural movement pattern with high functional carryover, but it is also a safe exercise if performed correctly (and that includes full ROM!)

    - Drawer tests are performed at a knee angle of 90 degrees because there is a greater amount of laxity in the knee joint at that specific angle. So, does it make sense to only go down half way where you are most vulnerable especially when greater loads can be used (because you are much stronger in this partial ROM?)

    - According to Ironman contributor, George Turner, the fulcrum moves to the knee joint in a parallel squat as opposed to the muscle belly of the quadriceps in a full squat.

    - Think about it, if you constantly trained in a limited ROM, the likelihood of injury increases if one day you happen to squat beyond your trained ROM.

    - Partial squats performed on a regular basis will decrease flexibility.

    - There is a low incidence of lower back pain and knee injury in Aboriginal and Asian societies which perform full squats on a regular basis.

    - Even Olympic weight lifters who practice full squats have quite healthy knees compared to other athletes.

    - Although you may find some research that indicates full squats as potentially harmful to the knees, only one study has ever proved this to be true. However, it was performed on a skeleton - the same results do not hold true with surrounding connective tissue. On the other hand, numerous studies show the benefits of full squats.

    Unfortunately, many personal training certification courses are teaching half squats as a safe version suitable for all individuals and this has now become written in stone.

    God forbid that you deviate from this golden rule to do something that our bodies are meant to do! Read this carefully: squatting should be performed in a full ROM where the hamstrings make contact with the calves (so that no light can be seen passing through your legs at the bottom position.)

    It is okay for your knees to travel beyond the toes (just do not relax the knees in the bottom position.) In other words, keep the legs tight and try to stay as upright as possible throughout the exercise. So, next time some fitness instructor approaches you in the gym and advises not to go deep while squatting tell him/her that they don't know squat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by raginfcktard View Post
    true, but breaking equipment and dropping 300+ would interrupt my workout. i do agree with some varity for more development, but doing partial reps all the time...come'on dude!
    I understand where you are coming from but it really is not our business what others are doing. As previously said, if they ask for advice and you feel inclined, go right ahead, otherwise you are opening yourself up for critique as well.
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    I def do not offer advice unless someone I know asks me. I go 90 degrees so butt even with knees. I feel the best when I got to that extent. On the topic of people loading up the bar, idc how much people think I lift or whatever. I don't load up the bar with weight that will hurt me or the equiptment. I think some people are all about the ego lifts like squat, deadlift, and shrugs so they load the weight up and do partial reps or very very poor reps. Yes, they kicked him out idk for good I can only hope so our equiptment stays intact.
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    When I first started lifting in HS i squated about 250 max....cheerleading squad came in so our coach could help them do squats and a couple other light excercises.... I squated 375 that day....guess my blood pressure got an increase ^.^ as well as a few other chemicals like test. Who needs a PH, bring in the cheerleading squad, I will lift like a maniac!
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    You guys are right I shouldn't let it bother me = but the guy freaks me out. Their is a flat bench near the smith and he will sit on it like a little buda YOGA style and meditate on his monsterous lift and then he will do these weird like balle sashe crap moves to limber up his monsterous 25 inch thighs. WOW - I feel much better getting that off my chest. Must be them roids gettin me crazy
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    wasn't this thread made with intent to belittle some moron...not show him sympathy. also those people don't bother me....i need them actually just so i have someone to point and laugh at, figuratively speaking. what does bother me is twisting a possible funny thread, cause i always need a laugh..i love jokes, into a prep rally for the special olymipcs. well since this one is ruined i hope i see some dumb ****e today so we all can join in group therapy through laughter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    Not to mention that partial reps are the HARDEST on your knees, not going ATG is bad. He'll end up requiring knee surgery and he and his doc will blame squats.





    They Don't Know Squat
    By John Paul Catanzaro

    There seems to be much confusion amongst trainers and trainees as to whether squats should be performed all the way down or just half way.

    In most gyms today, a common instruction during squats, deadlifts, and lunges (as taught by many personal training organizations) is not to allow the knees to travel beyond the toes.

    Doing so will ultimately cause the destruction of your knees! I do not agree. There are certain instances where partial range of motion (ROM) is indicated, but for the most part, I teach people the full squat for the following reasons:

    - It is the most primitive movement pattern known to man; our ancestors used to perform many daily functions (i.e. harvesting, gathering, hunting, cooking, eating, etc.) in a full squat position.

    - Also, in case anyone hasn't noticed, we spend 40 weeks in the fetal position (which is basically a full squat) prior to entering this world - do we come out with bad knees?

    - We should strive to train in full ROM for each and every exercise. The squat is no exception.

    - Every exercise produces stress around a joint - the body then adapts to this stress.

    - Cocontraction of the quadriceps, hamstrings and gastrocnemius maintains integrity around the knee joint.

    - Sheering and compressive forces do occur around the knee joint (as opposed to only sheering forces that occur in some open kinetic chain lower body exercises, such as the leg extension); however, the large contact area of the patella with the femoral groove (as knee flexion increases during the full squat) helps to dissipate compressive forces.

    - Therefore, not only is the squat - as a closed chain exercise - considered a natural movement pattern with high functional carryover, but it is also a safe exercise if performed correctly (and that includes full ROM!)

    - Drawer tests are performed at a knee angle of 90 degrees because there is a greater amount of laxity in the knee joint at that specific angle. So, does it make sense to only go down half way where you are most vulnerable especially when greater loads can be used (because you are much stronger in this partial ROM?)

    - According to Ironman contributor, George Turner, the fulcrum moves to the knee joint in a parallel squat as opposed to the muscle belly of the quadriceps in a full squat.

    - Think about it, if you constantly trained in a limited ROM, the likelihood of injury increases if one day you happen to squat beyond your trained ROM.

    - Partial squats performed on a regular basis will decrease flexibility.

    - There is a low incidence of lower back pain and knee injury in Aboriginal and Asian societies which perform full squats on a regular basis.

    - Even Olympic weight lifters who practice full squats have quite healthy knees compared to other athletes.

    - Although you may find some research that indicates full squats as potentially harmful to the knees, only one study has ever proved this to be true. However, it was performed on a skeleton - the same results do not hold true with surrounding connective tissue. On the other hand, numerous studies show the benefits of full squats.

    Unfortunately, many personal training certification courses are teaching half squats as a safe version suitable for all individuals and this has now become written in stone.

    God forbid that you deviate from this golden rule to do something that our bodies are meant to do! Read this carefully: squatting should be performed in a full ROM where the hamstrings make contact with the calves (so that no light can be seen passing through your legs at the bottom position.)

    It is okay for your knees to travel beyond the toes (just do not relax the knees in the bottom position.) In other words, keep the legs tight and try to stay as upright as possible throughout the exercise. So, next time some fitness instructor approaches you in the gym and advises not to go deep while squatting tell him/her that they don't know squat!
    Where are his references to his studies? I am all for Full ROM squatting, but the term ATG is one that is thrown around alot. If you squat in an olympic style you can go very low and not get much under parallel due to knee flair. These ****ing kill my knees and is one reason i went back to squatting in a monolift. If you squat with a wider stance and toes pointed out and came down to parallel or a few inches under you may be going lower actually than someone squtting "rockbottom" olympic style. This type of squtting will have very very little impact on your knees. The article along with just about every debate i have ever seen on the subject never addresses different ways to squat. Also some people are just not flexible enough to go ATW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcp2 View Post
    Where are his references to his studies? I am all for Full ROM squatting, but the term ATG is one that is thrown around alot. If you squat in an olympic style you can go very low and not get much under parallel due to knee flair. These ****ing kill my knees and is one reason i went back to squatting in a monolift. If you squat with a wider stance and toes pointed out and came down to parallel or a few inches under you may be going lower actually than someone squtting "rockbottom" olympic style. This type of squtting will have very very little impact on your knees. The article along with just about every debate i have ever seen on the subject never addresses different ways to squat. Also some people are just not flexible enough to go ATW.

    Yeah, I switch between powerlifting and bb'ing style every few weeks.

    No references published with that article. You can call or email him though:

    John Paul Catanzaro is a certified kinesiologist and professional fitness and lifestyle consultant with a specialized honours Bachelor of Science degree in Kinesiology and Health Science. He owns and operates a private gym in Toronto, Ontario providing training and nutritional consulting services. For additional information, visit his website at http://www.BodyEssence.ca or call 416-292-4356.
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    i'm a fan of parallel or lower but will forgive my training partner if he gets somewhat close to parallel. half squats or higher are unacceptable in my book, regardless of the excuse. your knees hurt? don't be on them so much.
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    wasn't this thread made with intent to belittle some moron...not show him sympathy. also those people don't bother me....i need them actually just so i have someone to point and laugh at, figuratively speaking. what does bother me is twisting a possible funny thread, cause i always need a laugh..i love jokes, into a prep rally for the special olymipcs. well since this one is ruined i hope i see some dumb ****e today so we all can join in group therapy through laughter!
    Or we can just use you as our resident punching bag. Makes things easier and you're already here. No need to wait for 3rd party information.
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