[ecu19]

Originally Posted by OCCFan023

Dude calm down, your coming off like a complete jackass. He's asking a question on how to potentially become a police officer and is worried that he may be disqualified for past usage (which 80% of users on here have done) and just wants to see what his course of actions are. Is lying on a poly wrong?

How about you calm down? If you didn't read the title of the thread, he is asking how he can be DISHONEST and BEAT a polygraph test, not if his actions will disqualify him. There is a big difference between asking "will xxxx disqualify me from xxx dept." and "how do i beat a polygraph?" BIG DIFFERENCE d:

Originally Posted by OCCFan023

probably, but who are you to comment on his integrity? Can I say for sure he has integrity, no but no one one here can say he doesn't.

If a person is asking how to lie to beat a polygraph in a profession where telling the truth and articulating your actions is everything, then yes, I would say that he does not have integrity.

Originally Posted by OCCFan023

Future advice, think before typing.

The same to you.

[ecu19]

Originally Posted by MentalTwitch

1- why are you trying to..?
and 2, glad to here this is what a police force consist of sometimes.

So you are assuming that since he is trying to lie to get onto a police force, he would make it through and obviously all police officers are like this? You know what they say about making assumptions.....

[OCCFan023]

Originally Posted by ecu19

How about you calm down? If you didn't read the title of the thread, he is asking how he can be DISHONEST and BEAT a polygraph test, not if his actions will disqualify him. There is a big difference between asking "will xxxx disqualify me from xxx dept." and "how do i beat a polygraph?" BIG DIFFERENCE d:


If a person is asking how to lie to beat a polygraph in a profession where telling the truth and articulating your actions is everything, then yes, I would say that he does not have integrity.


The same to you.

Well I would calm down, but I didn't take a stance of aggression, and rather just stated a point/opinion. Telling the difference takes very little insight. Like Palo said, he very easily worded the title in a manor not conducive to his point, and from his related posts down the page you can see where he is coming from. Again I never said if he did or did not have integrity, and IN MY OPINION, which all a board is, no one here has the right to say that stuff about anyone. Take that for whats its worth though..

[Jayhawkk]

Not siding with anyone in this matter but also take into consideration of how people feel about law enforcement and about those who are in it or that have family in it. A soldier/policeman/firefighter etc. are built on integrity. Dealing with those that slip into the system with no honor, integrity, morals is the hardest thing in the world. People get upset when they see people openly advertising what the OP did.

You have to take a step back and look at all sides.

[Rugger]

Originally Posted by OCCFan023

Dude calm down, your coming off like a complete jackass. He's asking a question on how to potentially become a police officer and is worried that he may be disqualified for past usage (which 80% of users on here have done) and just wants to see what his course of actions are. Is lying on a poly wrong? probably, but who are you to comment on his integrity? Can I say for sure he has integrity, no but no one one here can say he doesn't. Future advice, think before typing.

Also the myth busters did an episode on beating polys (and the tack method was one of the methods used). Didn't work, but one of the cast beat the poly but I can't remember what his "experimental technique" was off the top of my head.

Are you ****ing kidding me? Get your head out of your ass. Any American citizen has a right to comment about this guy's integrity. He is trying to become a police officer aka PUBLIC servant. Are you trying to tell me trying to cheat on a background polygraph test isn't a violation of integrity? If he was trying to be a janitor in some podunk shithouse I wouldn't care, but he is trying to be someone who UPHOLDS THE LAW.

I didn't say **** about him doing a cycle. I don't give a **** about people doing steroids. I care about police officers being upstanding individuals and not trying to cheat their way into power. People need to think about the slippery slope.

[Zero V]

They really arent that hard to beat. Just seriously relax, let your mind go braindead, if you have to take like 2 vicoden before going lol(j/k) but if you dont show any emotion or care or concern(metnally physically doesnt matter what you look like, its the signals your body puts out to the machine that count) Just look at each question and pretend its a game. many people beat the polygraph. Its useless against people who know what they are doing....

[OCCFan023]

Originally Posted by Rugger1

Are you ****ing kidding me? Get your head out of your ass. Any American citizen has a right to comment about this guy's integrity. He is trying to become a police officer aka PUBLIC servant. Are you trying to tell me trying to cheat on a background polygraph test isn't a violation of integrity? If he was trying to be a janitor in some podunk shithouse I wouldn't care, but he is trying to be someone who UPHOLDS THE LAW.

I didn't say **** about him doing a cycle. I don't give a **** about people doing steroids. I care about police officers being upstanding individuals and not trying to cheat their way into power. People need to think about the slippery slope.

So that makes him a piece of shit? I guess I am not saying I disagree with you, or agree with you because I am not about to judge this guy. I guess in all honesty I was taken back by your brash (/downright ignorant) attitude towards someone you know very little about (yes you can go on and on about how he is deceiving the law, and I refer you to my first sentence). Honestly I am not about to drag this on, points have been made and refuted and can go on for ever.

Witt I wish you the best of luck on your endevour into law enforcement, and would like to say like many others have that its best to be completely honest and shoot them straight. If you can't get into law than there are many other paths along the justice system line.

[Fastone]

I'm kinda late to this discussion but I would say the best way to beat the polygraph is to not lie

[witt51]

Originally Posted by OCCFan023

So that makes him a piece of shit? I guess I am not saying I disagree with you, or agree with you because I am not about to judge this guy. I guess in all honesty I was taken back by your brash (/downright ignorant) attitude towards someone you know very little about (yes you can go on and on about how he is deceiving the law, and I refer you to my first sentence). Honestly I am not about to drag this on, points have been made and refuted and can go on for ever.

Witt I wish you the best of luck on your endevour into law enforcement, and would like to say like many others have that its best to be completely honest and shoot them straight. If you can't get into law than there are many other paths along the justice system line.

Thanks bro but i have chnaged my mind and not going to try to apply for it.

I agree with most of you. i did word my question wrong but too late to go through all that now. i got the info i needed.

[TheChosen1]

I took a poly for a 5-0 job back in 1987 and aced it. At first they tried to claim that it jumped a little when they questioned me about smoking weed. But it was contradicted when my drug test came up clean.

Think about a song or an incident that relaxes you but try not to tap your feet.

[TheChosen1]

Originally Posted by ecu19

How about you calm down? If you didn't read the title of the thread, he is asking how he can be DISHONEST and BEAT a polygraph test, not if his actions will disqualify him. There is a big difference between asking "will xxxx disqualify me from xxx dept." and "how do i beat a polygraph?" BIG DIFFERENCE d:


If a person is asking how to lie to beat a polygraph in a profession where telling the truth and articulating your actions is everything, then yes, I would say that he does not have integrity.


The same to you.

It may also be possible that he's not particularly trying to lie on the test but instead is one of those people, such as myself, who gets nervous when taking one.

Back in 1986-87, I passed every test to qualify for the police department, yet they claimed that the matter in regards to drug usage came up negative. I was 26 at the time and had not used drugs in 9 years and that was clarified by me. But that wasn't enough for them until they reviewed my drug test and found that I was clean. My brother, who was on the force at the time before me, personally called my investigator and asked her how dumb was she to even question the test when she had the results of the drug test already in her hands and she had no way of responding.

[ecu19]

Originally Posted by TheChosen1

It may also be possible that he's not particularly trying to lie on the test but instead is one of those people, such as myself, who gets nervous when taking one.

Asking how to 'beat' the polygraph test indicates that he is looking for means other than being truthful in order to deceive the examiner and polygraph test. Beating a polygraph test is not the same as the question "i get nervous, what should I do to not get nervous when taking the polygraph, or what should I talk to the examiner about pre-polygraph, and let him know about before I begin?"