- 06-04-2008, 06:16 AM
- 06-04-2008, 07:56 AM
The greatest danger this county has faced in it entire history is now a reality.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, ithout
knowing how it happened."
Norman Thomas, 1948
06-04-2008, 08:09 AM
I have to say from my vantage point (Indy) I love the idea of watching repubs screaming about socialism and dems screaming about a bush 3rd term. It is too funny.
At the end of the day, the Obama/Clinton ticket will win, and most likely win handily. To discuss how they will do as a ticket will be premature at this point, as it will be with McCain, but it will be a stark change from where we are now, which could very well be a positive considering how terrible the Bush administration has been on so many levels
06-04-2008, 08:34 AM
Wasn't really a suprise he won though was it. Well originaly Clinton was hot favourite but that didn't last long. I got a fair bit of cash riding on Obama becomming president..........thats right i gambled on this sh1t.
06-04-2008, 08:44 AM
06-04-2008, 08:59 AM
Obama is telling us what we want to hear ... and he's damn good at it too.
McCain - old and boring
Obama - fresh and young.
Do you really think the public cares about policy? LOL. We want a good show!
06-04-2008, 09:19 AM
06-04-2008, 09:28 AM
2. That quote is from 1948 and still rings true, doesnt it now..? Both Clinton and Obama are both socialists. I might add some of Hillary's politics mimic the communist manifesto.
3. McCain is not a whole like like Bush. He is about as liberal as a republican as you can get. Unless he picks a strong VP he's got no chance as the core republicans despise him.
4. Any change is good right?
5. I want them to win, it might force the republicans to put their party back together.
06-04-2008, 09:32 AM
8/10 social issues on Obama's website are race issues. How bout that... Affirmative action by definition puts the black man in a higher class than the white man. Arent we ALL supposed to be EQUAL? lol..
06-04-2008, 09:39 AM
06-04-2008, 09:42 AM
06-04-2008, 09:54 AM
2. calling them socialists is kinda like calling bush a fascist, not entirely true
3. If you look at McCain's policies, specifically on the war and on nwealthy tax cuts (as well as education) he sounds a lot like ihm, and many people are going to see a republican and think of him. McCain has the misfortune of following a horrible president
4. No, not any change is good, but people do want change and they see the POSSIBILITY of that in Obama
5. Wow, and you say you are not a republican, interesting last statement then
06-04-2008, 10:11 AM
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06-04-2008, 10:24 AM
06-04-2008, 10:25 AM
06-04-2008, 10:26 AM
06-04-2008, 10:27 AM
06-04-2008, 10:29 AM
If you think (for example) that corporate taxation is "sending more jobs overseas", you don't know as much about business (or taxation, or corporate capitalism) as might profit you.
06-04-2008, 10:32 AM
06-04-2008, 10:35 AM
And btw, I strongly, strongly disagree with any legislation put out to "help" an "oppressed" class/race. Laws like this create a vicious cycle and actually keep the "oppressed".. well "oppressed." I live in the ghetto, I see it daily.
06-04-2008, 10:36 AM
06-04-2008, 10:36 AM
06-04-2008, 10:37 AM
A lot of my feelings there come from some of the more liberal judges throwing repeat child predators 6 months of probation instead of jail time. I do not think it is possible to correct these people.
06-04-2008, 12:30 PM
06-04-2008, 02:29 PM
There is a link!
06-04-2008, 02:42 PM
"I prefer a 'we're all in it together' society, I believe our government can once again work for all Americans. It can promote the great American tradition of opportunity for all and special privileges for none." That means pairing growth with fairness, to ensure that the middle class succeeds in the global economy, not just corporate CEO’s.”
"The other day the oil companies recorded the highest profits in the history of the world. I want to take those profits and I want to put them into a strategic energy fund that will begin to fund alternative smart energy, alternatives and technologies that will actually begin to move us in the direction of independence.”
"Many of you are well enough off that the tax cuts may have helped you. We’re saying that for America to get back on track, we’re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
A couple other good ones...
"We can’t afford to have that money go to the private sector. The money has to go to the federal government because the federal government will spend that money better than the private sector will spend it."
"The unfettered free market has been the most radically disruptive force in American life in the last generation."
"Too many people have made too much money."
06-04-2008, 03:38 PM
Sadly the majority of American's are uneducated morons (not directing this at you or anyone else on this thread). So they connect everything to the president when the president really has no power to shift the economy himself.
On another note, if you've failed to make money in the past eight years of Bush's terms, then you are obviously doing something wrong. Because even when the stock market is going down, you can make money. Options trading comes to mind, and even when the market as a whole is going down, there is always at least one sector going up.
06-04-2008, 03:42 PM
Also, i'd like to add i've been seeing 30-60% gains in all of my mutual funds over the last few years. I have made more money on my investments in the last 2 years than I have made working in that time.
FWIW the number 1 (although its very speculative and thus risky) way to make money in a market that is in a "downturn" is by shorting stocks. I've dabbled in it and it's really paid off.
06-04-2008, 04:00 PM
Clinton hasnt conceded yet. Ill bet she fights it to the convention, she is the leader in the vote still, i believe, regardless of how many superdelegates she has.
Clinton will win in 4 years when Obama f#cks up and becomes the black bush that we know he his.
He has no experience, no intelligence and he's a liar. He says that hes goin to end the war within the first year of office!!! If he knows thats a lie then hes being deceitful, if he doesnt he's dumber that he looks, and he looks pretty dumb.
We are never leaving Iraq, we wouldnt have built our most recent embassy there if we planned on leaving. So his entire campaign is based on a lie.
Also he says all the time that he voted against the war. Well if you check his voting record he wasnt even in office when the vote for the war was held, then as soon as he got into office he voted to fund the war with another couple hundred millions dollars.
He's just another snatch thats conned everyone into thinking that begging for change is a proper way to spend your day.
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