People are ****ed up these days

Manimalia · 06-02-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Trauma1

I completely agree with you here. While it may not always be visible on the surface, there is good that lies within us all. Working in the emergency room for so many years i've witnessed good in people that i would never have imagined.

I also agree with Mr. Adams that humans are very much a self-preserving species in general. When and if humanity is ever faced with a seriously cataclysmic event, you would see even those most distant from all that is good pull together for the sake of mankind.

It's often that the good in people doesn't show itself until faced with the worst of times......

you got it, trauma. another way of saying that, though, is-and this is reaper's argument as well as mine- that they will pull for the good only if there is no longer a choice in the matter. the end of others among themselves would only be one physical/psychological step closer to their own end. it's still self-preservation no matter how you cut it.

Manimalia · 06-02-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DmitryWI

For every f...ed thing that happens there are twenty acts of kindness, it all depends what you want to see in your life. News stories are all about ratings, people don't wanna see stories about some happy people walking on the beach holding hands being in love or something, we wanna see who killed and raped who, accidents on the free ways, etc.

think about the timeline of existence. morally unacceptable acts had been at their peak in the old ages and leveled off decently within that veritable age of reason-the 20th century.

i think now the reaper is observing the backslide and making note of it on AM, and we're all just over-complicating his observation.

Manimalia · 06-02-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ReaperX

It is not even limited to local news. That is just a portion of it. What about genocide that occurs in different countries throughout the world ? Anyone ever see the movie 'Blood Diamond' ?

I respect the fact that a lot of ppl want to believe the notion that there is a lot of good in the world. Not saying that there isn't, but there is an equal amount of bad that exists as well.

I do personally believe that humanity has been cheapened excessively and will continue to be as time continues.

Abortion being legal ? Need I say more ?

we need two "good" and "evil" barometers. i bet the "evil" barometer would be higher. it's not just hit and runs; it's the catty look a secretary might give us, it's the indifference to seeing someone picked on; it's ignorance; and so on.

**Trauma1** · 06-02-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Manimalia

think about the timeline of existence. morally unacceptable acts had been at their peak in the old ages and leveled off decently within that veritable age of reason-the 20th century.

i think now the reaper is observing the backslide and making note of it on AM, and we're all just over-complicating his observation.

I'm not over-complicating anything. I believe it was presented as a one-sided view that humanity is innately evil. I'm sorry, but that's a load of B.S.

Manimalia · 06-02-2008, 01:49 PM

i'm not some nihilistic cynic or anything like that guys. i want y'all to know that; i like all you guys. i think i just say these things because they keep me empowered to stay, for the most part, self-reliant.

there IS good in this life. but in my time and my father's time, the bad has been there just as before these times and seems to be on the rise. and it's a hard reality to face, the bad side of things, that no one with a good heart will get used to, that we will always share our feelings on.

not to get too maury povich here, but i just wanna say, that i support all of your beliefs as well. people have ability to change to be good or bad. we're all here on this planet full of good and bad influences. sorry for blathering.

ReaperX · 06-02-2008, 01:53 PM

It's not everyday that I see someone get hit by a car, then have the person that hit them drive off as fast as they can.

Manimalia · 06-02-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Trauma1

I'm not over-complicating anything. I believe it was presented as a one-sided view that humanity is innately evil. I'm sorry, but that's a load of B.S.

while the bible says we are all somewhat innately evil, i don't agree either. i agree with you. no one who commits an "evil" act does so because they want to be "evil." people do what they think is right for them.

a mother throws her baby in a dumpster to die. she's not evil. she wanted to preserve her ability to shoot up and ditch the guilt of having to be accountable for a life. she couldn't be accountable for that life because she couldn't even account for her own. because this life is too much for some.

why didn't she just bring it to a shelter? because of ignorance and not caring enough about the baby's life because she doesn't care enough about her own confusing existence.

she wants to be as close to death as she can and she doesn't even know it. she may walk the streets at night like a living person, but she only feels good when she slips into oblivion from that needle. it's release. it's like death without suicide.

this is self-preservation, giving herself the ability to be as oblivious to everything as possible. and she may feel bad about it all, and she may think it's evil, but remember she felt bad about it, and did not logically want it. any of it.

so i agree in a way, there is no "evil" per say.

ReaperX · 06-02-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Manimalia

while the bible says we are all somewhat innately evil, i don't agree either. i agree with you. no one who commits an "evil" act does so because they want to be "evil." people do what they think is right for them.

a mother throws her baby in a dumpster to die. she's not evil. she wanted to preserve her ability to shoot up and ditch the guilt of having to be accountable for a life. she couldn't be accountable for that life because she couldn't even account for her own. because this life is too much for some.

why didn't she just bring it to a shelter? because of ignorance and not caring enough about the baby's life because she doesn't care enough about her own confusing existence.

she wants to be as close to death as she can and she doesn't even know it. she may walk the streets at night like a living person, but she only feels good when she slips into oblivion from that needle. it's release. it's like death without suicide.

this is self-preservation, giving herself the ability to be as oblivious to everything as possible. and she may feel bad about it all, and she may think it's evil, but remember she felt bad about it, and did not logically want it. any of it.

so i agree in a way, there is no "evil" per say.

I don't know about that one.

Manimalia · 06-02-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ReaperX

I don't know about that one.

we just give it different names, reaper. the terms "good and evil" denote religion. and i am all for religion, as it can enrich lives (i think this regardless of some saying how much trouble it causes; mostly atheists say these things. i myself, am agnostic/ a skeptic).

but anywho, i would think philosophy-personified would call "good and evil" by different names, such as "self-preserved and selfless" acts, among others. just talking terms.

**Trauma1** · 06-02-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Manimalia

while the bible says we are all somewhat innately evil, i don't agree either. i agree with you. no one who commits an "evil" act does so because they want to be "evil." people do what they think is right for them.

a mother throws her baby in a dumpster to die. she's not evil. she wanted to preserve her ability to shoot up and ditch the guilt of having to be accountable for a life. she couldn't be accountable for that life because she couldn't even account for her own. because this life is too much for some.

why didn't she just bring it to a shelter? because of ignorance and not caring enough about the baby's life because she doesn't care enough about her own confusing existence.

she wants to be as close to death as she can and she doesn't even know it. she may walk the streets at night like a living person, but she only feels good when she slips into oblivion from that needle. it's release. it's like death without suicide.

this is self-preservation, giving herself the ability to be as oblivious to everything as possible. and she may feel bad about it all, and she may think it's evil, but remember she felt bad about it, and did not logically want it. any of it.

so i agree in a way, there is no "evil" per say.

Are you talking about 'original sin'? Being born into the world with original sin doesn't make you an "evil" person. However, that's as far as i'll go with that because i don't argue religion or politics at any level.....it's pointless.

Once again, why is the focus on a bad situation? I think your demonstration of 'self preservation' is actually a textbook tale of the horrors of addiction on the human body and mind. That's not self preservation, it's clearly an addiction example. Self Preservation is to protect oneself from harm or destruction, or the innate desire to stay alive.

As human beings we're not perfect, however that doesn't make us evil either. I like to think that many learn from their mistakes and become a better people as a result in the end, however many will not for whatever reasons they may be.

I firmly believe that many factors do influence and shape who you become in life, however even with that in mind, you still control your own destiny and who/what you become. If you think negative, you will be negative. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

**DAdams91982** · 06-02-2008, 02:41 PM

This thread is dust.

It went from civil debate, to assumptions, and attacks.

Manwhateverilia you knob. To pidgeon hole me because I make a comment is far beyond ignorant of the conversation. Listen up squarepants, I have a much larger angle on the world than your arkansas eyes can handle. I will leave it at that. If you knew anything about me, you would know I have served globally, and have seen good everywhere. So take off the girl pants and be civil in this conversation.

Adams

**Trauma1** · 06-02-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DAdams91982

This thread is dust.

It went from civil debate, to assumptions, and attacks.

Manwhateverilia you knob. To pidgeon hole me because I make a comment is far beyond ignorant of the conversation. Listen up squarepants, I have a much larger angle on the world than your arkansas eyes can handle. I will leave it at that. If you knew anything about me, you would know I have served globally, and have seen good everywhere. So take off the girl pants and be civil in this conversation.

Adams

And yes, you're indeed a good man charlie brown.

Manimalia · 06-02-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DAdams91982

This thread is dust.

It went from civil debate, to assumptions, and attacks.

Manwhateverilia you knob. To pidgeon hole me because I make a comment is far beyond ignorant of the conversation. Listen up squarepants, I have a much larger angle on the world than your arkansas eyes can handle. I will leave it at that. If you knew anything about me, you would know I have served globally, and have seen good everywhere. So take off the girl pants and be civil in this conversation.

Adams

there's no need to become rude. i simply didn't care for the way YOU put yourself in focus, just the way YOU did now. you took a thought from the original poster and went off on a tangent about all the good things you have done. maybe you should have formed a broader/more solid/more relevant argument.

and another thing, i'm not about to have a forum-based tinkle contest. i'm not so dumb as to be baited. your inflammatory, rude, and ignorant remarks have no effect on me. you are no more than i am, and even if you were, it won't be proven through a computer...sarge.