How To Handle A Newbie
- 12-22-2002, 05:02 PM
How To Handle A Newbie
The Word newbie these days seems to come with a hex attached to it. Before a newbie could be defined as:
Newbie- Adj. One who has taken interest in an area that they are unfamiliar with.
Now a newbie, with the stigma of ignorance attached, is looked down upon for repetitive questions and requests of information that has been covered several times previously. So how should you handle these people? Heres how:
1. First, do us all a favor and remember that not every newbie is a teenager. Not to say that the majority of newbies are not teens, but you have to be open minded and remember older members can be newbies also. As my parents taught me before their departure, respect your elders. If a newbie steps in and wants to know the difference of protein powders, before you tell "Damn, someone should have told your parents to not have sex drunk", pick apart the language used. You can usually tell a teen from an older individual by the use of language. Heres an example translation of teen language from those who respect the english language:
"kewl" = cool "lyke" = like "phat" = very cool
"boi" = boy "wot" = what "Shud" = should
*After you decifer the bull****, you can then decide the age of the person. If you conclude the person is obviously older and can successfully combine words to form a reasonable sentence, show some respect and answer their question or lead them in the right direction.
2. If you're tired of answering the same questions over and over again,DON'T. Simple. Instead of saying "Listen you piece of ****, use the search function or we'll burn your house down" Just ignore and avoid the question. Just because you are a "vet" doesnt mean you have to answer every question. Let someone else do it.
3. Educate yourself. Instead of screaming "God Damn! If your dad would have pulled out just a bit quicker I wouldnt have to deal with your newbie ****!!" Try teaching a newbie. I dont know if anyone's ever heard "the best way to learn something is to teach it" and anyone who has even been in college/grad school knows this is EXACTLY right. Teach them. What does this accomplish? Well not only will you gain respect for your patience and willingness to help a newbie, you're also reteaching yourself and helping store this knowledge in your long term memory. Go out of your way, teach them what they want to know, and then some. You might answer more questions they might have and save yourself from having to do it in another thread later on.
4. Not everyone was born knowing everything and you can bet your sweet ass you didnt know much when you got started in this sport. Remember that. They have to learn somehow and to be honest, sometimes using the search function and reading hundreds of articles arent the best way. My old professors always said "direct attention and direct responses to questions are the best way to learn". Let's face it, everyone wants THEIR question answer, no matter how many times its been asked. So before making yourself look like an ass and posting a cute picture you have saved on your computer for them to read, help'em out or ignore them, your wise ass didnt know it all from birth.
5. Take someone under your wing. It's called "giving back". what goes around comes around. Yep, whether you like it or not, its the truth. Take a newbie or two under your wing, get them in a chat room or PM them and help them along, let them talk your ear off and answer their questions. I do it everyday and I dont mind at all. Create good karma for yourself (and I dont mean here at BDC's dumbass) I mean in life. You do something for someone, eventually you may need something from them and dont give me the "This guy's a tool belt, what could I possibly need from him?" Well this tool belt might know everything there is to know about making...say pipe bombs (you get the picture), well you might want to make one someday, you punk this guy, do not expect him to help you.
6. Do not lie to newbies. If they ask a question and you dont know the answer, dont make it up or bull**** it, this is come back and bite you in the ass. Not to mention risk your "vet" status. You lie to them once, everyone will know, thats how it works. The best thing to do is if you dont know the answer, dont reply to the thread, or if they ask you directly, refer them to someone who knows the answer (not me please). Avoid being a smart ass also. Newbies are new. They respect you. Anything you tell them, they'll follow, thats whats great about being a vert and/or mod. You're in a position to be a leader and be respected. Dont blow it by being a smartass or dick head. So if someone says "Whats a good dinner if Im bulking?" Dont say "Have some choc. milk and a ham and cheese hot pocket" Seriously, it sounds dumb to us but they just might believe you.
7. Tough love. I find that tough love works well not "**** off you morbid crack baby" Give them the answer and explain to them how they could have found it for themselves. Now most teenage newbies will come back with "I just wanted my question answered *******, dont tell me how to search" Then by all means, flame away.
8. Careful who you call a newbie. Some people are highly involved & educated in nutrition/training and dont know much at all about PHs, AAS etc. Dont kid yourself, you dont know everything and will never know everything, swallow your pride and ask for help. No one will think less of you, if anything it will just add to your arsonal of knowledge. You'll find me asking various PH questions from time to time, I wont lie, I consider myself a pro hormone newbie.
9. Educational flaming. I touched on this above. No one has yet to define a "flame". So I will.....lets say a flame is like a new truck. An educatonal flame is like a Caddy and a "Im bored so I'll pick on someone" flame is like a Nissan. There are a variety of styles, some cruel but funny, some obviously well thought out and some ignorant and make you look more ignorant than the newbie. Example of an educational flame:
"Yo YJ, I need sum info on how to get leen muscle mass on glutimen, how many scoops do I take?"
Well... Glutamine really isnt as important as a solid diet and proper traning. I hope you do not think only glutamine will give you the results you need, if so you'd better take up tennis or soccer. Now glutamine is the most abundant free form amino acid. I dont find it very resourceful, but if you have it take it at 20 grams a day, 10 upon awakening and 5 before training and 5 after. Best of Luck.
Now A Bad flame:
Look mother ****er.... Ive seen you post around here and everyone of your questions make you look like you are a 5th grade drop out, use the search function and this is why relatives shouldnt reproduce.
10. The final request in handling newbies. Do not correct their spelling, sentence structure, choice of words, or vocabulary. They're here to have a nutrition/training/supplement/AAS question answered, not a lesson in english. Save yourself the time, answer the question and submit it. No one is impressed with your spell checking ability or grammatical skills. Im one of the worst spellers out there....(re-read this post ) When I ask a question, I want the answer, not a lesson in basic english. And remember, not everyone has english as a native tongue. Im guilty of this, but I wont do it anymore, do not stoop to the level of correcting vocabulary.
I was obviously bored sitting here at work, so take this for what its worth, I dont think it's half bad now that I re-read it. Give newbies a chance, it will only benefit you. If the infamous Yellow "newbie killa" Jacket can do it, I know all you guys can.
Ps. "killa" is teen or "ganster" slang for killer.
- 12-22-2002, 05:19 PM
Got another Quote 4U YJ
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</B> close header -->People will forget what you said
People will forget what you did
But people will never forget how you made them feel
I have to comend you on your work. Awsome job man.
I would just like to add one thing if you do flame someone like in the second example and it is not out of fun that will be your last post.
I do know that this will not be a problem here though as we have the best of the best here and thats how BDC got started is to help people out.... Talk to ya...
This is an awesome post. Finally someone takes a common sense approach. You just have 2 b cautious about determinin age from words n a post alone..heh.
ANd you are sooo right...we are all newbies in one respect or another. i kno i am where ph/ps and even aas are concerned.
thanks again for this...its awesome.
What are you YJ some kinda newbie to friggin MODing? This touchy feely bullsh*t..time for a group hug at BDC Nurtition or something?
Get off the damn clomid, and get ON the damn test, you are getting soft. YJ the bane of BB message boards everywhere is trying to tell us to play nice? Okay, I will play along. Lets see, based on the rules above...please YJ rate these posts as appropriate or inappropriate:
All types of ways? Ha, can you name them little boy or you just going by what you've read? And is it the creatine that actually makes you stronger? A typical uneducated 16 punk ass kid.
5'5 is short and you are a bitch...LoL...i almost feel guilty telling a 16 year old kid Id beat the **** out of him...too cute man, keep it up, im scared ****less.
I thought it was common knowledge, pick up a nutrition book dumbass.
If you could YJ, please tell me, based on your above standards and guidelines, if these relys would have been considered appropriate or inappropriate. The author of these gems will of course remain anonomouys.
I'm getting all teary eyed.........
I'm with wardog, on this. What YJ's getting soft..........LOL
The softer side of YJ...........
What are you on the same meds that changed K(same) to K(softie) LOL (just funnin, Ken )
Actually, i applaud you YJ.........Great post. I just wish everyone would have even followed half of what you recommended when they were at "nameless forum". LOL
Again Great post YJ.
Re: I'm getting all teary eyed.........
Ouch! We just dont have enough newbies to flame yetOriginally posted by chi_town
I'm with wardog, on this. What YJ's getting soft..........LOL
The softer side of YJ...........
And Wardog- That was no newbie, that was a punk ass kid not there to leanr but to raise hell and act like a little bitch when questioned.....he dug his own grave..
YJ, was just having fun with you, I didnt bother to check your opponents post count, I just knew it was a quick place to find some of your "gems"
#11 If you're tired of seeing posts about supplements that you don't think work and don't want to take the time to explain why. Simple DON'T . Instead of posting a smiley rolling his eyes, which helps NO ONE. Just ignore and avoid the post. Just because you are a "vet" doesnt mean you have to comment on every post.
Last edited by CROWLER; 01-04-2003 at 12:54 PM.
Even a smiley eye rolling thing though, from someone who has been around for awhile and knows their ****, does convey a message and can be posted for a reason. If someone obviously doesn't put any thought into their question or comment, they can rightfully expect one of two things: no response as was wisely suggested, or a response of low effort and flame for their lack thereof.
-"Like yo, what's the best supps to get big and lose weight man?"
-"Research numbnuts/****off/Learn to SEARCH/"
Or hey, a real question just pulled from another board:
"..what's the best, most effective weight gainer out there. Something i can just get at a GNC or something."
Why, why why just fart out a question like that without LOOKING first, it's obvious when you register how many thousands of others also use the board, so if you feel the urge to call the individual on their lack of effort, why not?
And don't give me this "you'll lose potential valuable contributors by alienating them through flames and insults" bull. If they were to be valuable contributors in the first place they wouldn't spout ignorant poop to begin with.
Last edited by Biggs; 01-10-2003 at 03:11 AM.
putting much dead on biggin. just a simple matter of someone, looking up something to get an answer for such questions or having enough reason not to ask. Its not an issue of disrespecting or having a biased view on an individual for their lack of knowledge or common sense to do a little work before having to ask (hopefully most fit under the first, cuz just simply not knowing something is better than knowing that an answer to a question could be easily achieved without bothering others who have came across so often with questions you nicely depicted biggen). I personally dont put myself above someone else for knowing say a little more info (in real life or on boards) or flame no one cuz of it, but without a doubt....if something arises which came from an under thoughtout mind...then you probably gonna get some under thought through answers like
In no way am i saying stop asking questions for individuals who arent sure of something (i ask quite a few questions myself) but especially when a question comes up about an opinion of some sort, make sure its a question which was thought through
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