Stop Talking and Worrying, Just ****ing Do It

[Mulletsoldier]

*This isn't a slight against any particular member, or the board as a whole. This has always been my home board, the company I work for calls this board home, and my favourite forum. This is just a trend I've noticed.

Does anybody else notice an overwhelming amount of people on the boards lately whom seem to focus more on talking about training than actually training itself?. I say this because it seems that some people are foregoing the training/diet/fitness part of these fitness boards and instead here for solely the communal aspect.

Now, joining and being a prominent member in this community is utterly encouraged by members and admin alike. However, I just think its counterintuitive that these individuals seem to devote more time in calculating the minutia of their supplement regime on the forum than working out itself. Often times (it's much more prevalent 'over there') I'll see individuals with an ungodly amount of posts, with a few logs and a list of supplements longer than Pacman Jones' rap-sheet in their signature, who shouldn't be taking any supplements - period.

The only reason I say this is because I finally, finally learned the value of this lesson myself after my accident; retrospectively, I realized that I had become too dependent on a 'protocol' or 'regime' of supplements. In the hour preceding my workouts I was more focused on how to take 'X' with 'Y' and which foods to take and avoid with 'Z' that I lost focus on the training itself. For the hour leading up to working out you should be clearing your mind (if possible) of everything except: "I am going to ****ing destroy these weights".

Seeing this, I made a concerted effort to forego all supplementation when I returned. During this period, not even utilizing protein powder until January, I put back 200lbs+ on my DL, 10-12lbs of LBM maintaining my BF% level, and really focusing on natural performance. Now, those aren't that fantastic of numbers, I am not that developed, don't weigh that much, and am not envied by many. The point, is that I obtained my goals without a laundry list of supplements.

This does not seem to be the general direction of some, however. I cannot help but think "You have no place using those supplements" when I see some of these people make posts disseminating very particular sciences and synergies about and between products, or worse suggesting them to others. This breeds complacency. People who shouldn't be using a supplement see other people who shouldn't be using a supplement tell them it's okay, and off they go.

I suppose the general message is:

If you are trying to obtain your goals - relax. Stop making 398,000 posts about training - and train. Stop spending hours making lengthy posts about how you expertly calculated the timing of 17 different supplements - just eat. If your bench press is still 135lbs - stop worrying about the latest training methods and lift. These minutia are things to concern yourself when you reach a high level of performance, they are not things to get you there.

I'm done *****ing. Thanks.

[rugger48]

*This isn't a slight against any particular member, or the board as a whole. This has always been my home board, the company I work for calls this board home, and my favourite forum. This is just a trend I've noticed.

Does anybody else notice an overwhelming amount of people on the boards lately whom seem to focus more on talking about training than actually training itself?. I say this because it seems that some people are foregoing the training/diet/fitness part of these fitness boards and instead here for solely the communal aspect.

Now, joining and being a prominent member in this community is utterly encouraged by members and admin alike. However, I just think its counterintuitive that these individuals seem to devote more time in calculating the minutia of their supplement regime on the forum than working out itself. Often times (it's much more prevalent 'over there') I'll see individuals with an ungodly amount of posts, with a few logs and a list of supplements longer than Pacman Jones' rap-sheet in their signature, who shouldn't be taking any supplements - period.

The only reason I say this is because I finally, finally learned the value of this lesson myself after my accident; retrospectively, I realized that I had become too dependent on a 'protocol' or 'regime' of supplements. In the hour preceding my workouts I was more focused on how to take 'X' with 'Y' and which foods to take and avoid with 'Z' that I lost focus on the training itself. For the hour leading up to working out you should be clearing your mind (if possible) of everything except: "I am going to ****ing destroy these weights".

Seeing this, I made a concerted effort to forego all supplementation when I returned. During this period, not even utilizing protein powder until January, I put back 200lbs+ on my DL, 10-12lbs of LBM maintaining my BF% level, and really focusing on natural performance. Now, those aren't that fantastic of numbers, I am not that developed, don't weigh that much, and am not envied by many. The point, is that I obtained my goals without a laundry list of supplements.

This does not seem to be the general direction of some, however. I cannot help but think "You have no place using those supplements" when I see some of these people make posts disseminating very particular sciences and synergies about and between products, or worse suggesting them to others. This breeds complacency. People who shouldn't be using a supplement see other people who shouldn't be using a supplement tell them it's okay, and off they go.

I suppose the general message is:

If you are trying to obtain your goals - relax. Stop making 398,000 posts about training - and train. Stop spending hours making lengthy posts about how you expertly calculated the timing of 17 different supplements - just eat. If your bench press is still 135lbs - stop worrying about the latest training methods and lift. These minutia are things to concern yourself when you reach a high level of performance, they are not things to get you there.

I'm done *****ing. Thanks.

ok.

[pantera101]

If training all day were better than an hour,i would do it.But it's not,so i don't.You have 24 hours in a day,1hour or so goes to weights,8 or so got to sleep,Thats 15 hours leftover.maybe 1-2 go to eating,so 13-14.If you work minus that,you still have more time to post on here than you do to train,and possibly even training and eating combined.Again,if training longer were better,i would do it.

[SupFatHead]

I like this mullet guy.

[T-Bone]

I agree Mullet. I do not take that many supplements. A lot people on here seem to spend hundreds of dollars on supplements and base their workouts around them. They don't understand what the word "Supplement" actually means. They ask questions with polls like "What is the best test booster?". They then explain that they want to gain 20 pounds of muscle by taking this supplement. Little regard is held for diet and they probally spend more on supplements monthly than food. Then there are the people that constantly run cycle after cycle and ask what can they take in between?. Don't people realize that when they are on their pct and their test levels are that of a pre-pubpescent little girl, others that are not constantly runing cycles of hormones are still gaining and gaining more with good planing of diet and exercise. They take the time to plan their cycles but what about planing of diet?.

Sorry, thought I would contibute to Mullets rant.

[CROWLER]

I agree 100%


Now go get STOKED!





CROWLER

[David Dunn]

I want pie!

[pantera101]

You either have the eye of the tiger and the passion to be bigger and stroger tomorrow than you are today,or you don't.Everyone wants that edge,it's only human nature.You do have to realise that sups only supplement your diet and traing,not replace them.One good way to look at it,is to act like you don't use supplements when you do.It has helped me anyways.

[Dadof2]

I agree that people can get too caught up in the regimine.

I worked out for years not really training correctly or eating right and still made good gains. I started training when I was 16 benchpressing 60 lbs for 3 sets of 10 reps, and by the time I was 18 I was benchpressing 225 for reps. The only thing I knew then was to train hard.

Once I found a good gym and actually learned how to train, and how to eat I blew up (I still have the stretchmarks from my pecs to my biceps to prove it). I made the best gains of my life with just a little creatine and whey protein to supplement my improved diet and improved training. I was natural and way stronger and bigger than some of the guys who used gear, just by virtue of my better diet and training.

There is no secret to bodybuilding: eat, train, rest, grow. Supplements have a place in building your body, but they will never replace good eating, intense training, and getting a good nights sleep.

I like supplements, and will continue to use them as long as its financially feasable for me to do so. However, if I go broke tomorrow I can rest easy knowing that all I need to grow are some weights, some red meat, and a nice bed to sleep in.

[Mulletsoldier]

I agree that people can get too caught up in the regimine.

I worked out for years not really training correctly or eating right and still made good gains. I started training when I was 16 benchpressing 60 lbs for 3 sets of 10 reps, and by the time I was 18 I was benchpressing 225 for reps. The only thing I knew then was to train hard.

Once I found a good gym and actually learned how to train, and how to eat I blew up (I still have the stretchmarks from my pecs to my biceps to prove it). I made the best gains of my life with just a little creatine and whey protein to supplement my improved diet and improved training. I was natural and way stronger and bigger than some of the guys who used gear, just by virtue of my better diet and training.

There is no secret to bodybuilding: eat, train, rest, grow. Supplements have a place in building your body, but they will never replace good eating, intense training, and getting a good nights sleep.

I like supplements, and will continue to use them as long as its financially feasable for me to do so. However, if I go broke tomorrow I can rest easy knowing that all I need to grow are some weights, some red meat, and a nice bed to sleep in.

Exactly, I just get so sick of people who look like they should lock themselves in a room and learn dedication asking how to stack 18 different supplements at once. Worse than that, is these people are looked at as informative; in my very humble opinion, that sets a bad precedent for people just starting out. It makes it seem 'okay' to shirk your responsibility for diet in training in light of supplements.

[SilentBob187]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mulletsoldier again."

Bravo sir, bravo. I'm sure we've all be guilty of this, but you're right. Just f*ckin train.

As for the communal aspect, my Swayze avy kicks ass.

[Australian made]

Exactly, I just get so sick of people who look like they should lock themselves in a room and learn dedication asking how to stack 18 different supplements at once. Worse than that, is these people are looked at as informative; in my very humble opinion, that sets a bad precedent for people just starting out. It makes it seem 'okay' to shirk your responsibility for diet in training in light of supplements.

Good point Mullet. Unfortunately i'd say at least 50% of the reps on this board are these people you speak ok.................. pushing their companies supplements in the mean time.

[Mulletsoldier]

Good point Mullet. Unfortunately i'd say at least 50% of the reps on this board are these people you speak ok.................. pushing their companies supplements in the mean time.

Yeah, I don't want to insight any controversy, so I'll leave that alone.

I just think that you take care of the tiniest minutia as a function of being in peak performance; when a single striation on your delt is the difference between winning and losing you sweat supplement timing, nutrient timing down to the minutes.

However, if you're 20 something BF% you probably should not be taking supplements at all, let alone prohormones, designer steroids, black market steroids, all in conjunction with supplements. A fat-burner now and then is no issue, in my opinion, as people need help with genetics. I just despise seeing logs from dudes with a list of supplements like this:

Caffeine
Yohimbine Caps
CLA
K-R-ALA
ALCAR
BCAAS
Tri-Creatine-Gluconate-a-bol
Anabolic Pump
IGF-2
Drive
RPM
Multi
6-OXO
Glutamine
Bulk Sesamin
Bulk Icariin

I'm probably missing some things, but that annoys me. Then you see a picture and the person is completely out of shape, and that's indicative of their focus.

Not everybody wants to be 'ideal' in their body shape. Some lift for passion, overall health, to obtain goals, for feelings of wellness, or just for a hobby. Whatever one's reason is, and goals therein, you should be able to accomplish these without heavy reliance on supplements.

[CryingEmo]

Yeah, I don't want to insight any controversy, so I'll leave that alone.

I just think that you take care of the tiniest minutia as a function of being in peak performance; when a single striation on your delt is the difference between winning and losing you sweat supplement timing, nutrient timing down to the minutes.

However, if you're 20 something BF% you probably should not be taking supplements at all, let alone prohormones, designer steroids, black market steroids, all in conjunction with supplements. A fat-burner now and then is no issue, in my opinion, as people need help with genetics. I just despise seeing logs from dudes with a list of supplements like this:

Caffeine
Yohimbine Caps
CLA
K-R-ALA
ALCAR
BCAAS
Tri-Creatine-Gluconate-a-bol
Anabolic Pump
IGF-2
Drive
RPM
Multi
6-OXO
Glutamine
Bulk Sesamin
Bulk Icariin

I'm probably missing some things, but that annoys me. Then you see a picture and the person is completely out of shape, and that's indicative of their focus.

Not everybody wants to be 'ideal' in their body shape. Some lift for passion, overall health, to obtain goals, for feelings of wellness, or just for a hobby. Whatever one's reason is, and goals therein, you should be able to accomplish these without heavy reliance on supplements.

Add some forskolin, 7-keto, beta alanine, ephedrine, nettle root, fish oils, greens+, muti-vitamin.. .well those are the 'basics' at least.

Oh and your creatine sucks, I'd use creatine tri-ethyl stanabol.


Glad I could help.

[Mulletsoldier]

Haha, yeah I forgot about all those. It's just ridiculous.

[T-Bone]

Yeah, I don't want to insight any controversy, so I'll leave that alone.

I just think that you take care of the tiniest minutia as a function of being in peak performance; when a single striation on your delt is the difference between winning and losing you sweat supplement timing, nutrient timing down to the minutes.

However, if you're 20 something BF% you probably should not be taking supplements at all, let alone prohormones, designer steroids, black market steroids, all in conjunction with supplements. A fat-burner now and then is no issue, in my opinion, as people need help with genetics. I just despise seeing logs from dudes with a list of supplements like this:

Caffeine
Yohimbine Caps
CLA
K-R-ALA
ALCAR
BCAAS
Tri-Creatine-Gluconate-a-bol
Anabolic Pump
IGF-2
Drive
RPM
Multi
6-OXO
Glutamine
Bulk Sesamin
Bulk Icariin

I'm probably missing some things, but that annoys me. Then you see a picture and the person is completely out of shape, and that's indicative of their focus.

Not everybody wants to be 'ideal' in their body shape. Some lift for passion, overall health, to obtain goals, for feelings of wellness, or just for a hobby. Whatever one's reason is, and goals therein, you should be able to accomplish these without heavy reliance on supplements.

On top of that they seem to like to ignore recommended dosages and take something like 3 times the recommended dosage.

[VolcomX311]

I always tell people that supplements are just that, they supplement, they don't substitute. You can't replace a proper diet and blood & guts hard work. With that said, I enjoy my supplements. Whether they improve my performance as much as 25% or less then 10%, the motivation I have when I'm on them is priceless to me.

Clearly I've got quite the arsenal listed in my signature, so I might get blasted just for posting here, but I've also got 10+ years of lifting experience, so I've done my share of "just do it."

I like the post, don't get me wrong. I just wanted to state that I'm okay with my collection of supplementation, its all part of the discipline in my fitness world.

[Mulletsoldier]

I always tell people that supplements are just that, they supplement, they don't substitute. You can't replace a proper diet and blood & guts hard work. With that said, I enjoy my supplements. Whether they improve my performance as much as 25% or less then 10%, the motivation I have when I'm on them is priceless to me.

Clearly I've got quite the arsenal listed in my signature, so I might get blasted just for posting here, but I've also got 10+ years of lifting experience, so I've done my share of "just do it."

I like the post, don't get me wrong. I just wanted to state that I'm okay with my collection of supplementation, its all part of the discipline in my fitness world.

But you're also at a level of fitness that is conducive to supplementing V. This post is more geared to the 200lb, 18% BF guy taking more supplements than you, bench pressing 45s x 10.

[SilentBob187]

This post is more geared to the 200lb, 18% BF guy taking more supplements than you, bench pressing 45s x 10.

U mean thats not good? WTF dood, Im taking the Jay Cutler stack that dood is hyooge and its what he used. It came wit a book and poster for frees!

[pantera101]

I always tell people that supplements are just that, they supplement, they don't substitute. You can't replace a proper diet and blood & guts hard work. With that said, I enjoy my supplements. Whether they improve my performance as much as 25% or less then 10%, the motivation I have when I'm on them is priceless to me.

Clearly I've got quite the arsenal listed in my signature, so I might get blasted just for posting here, but I've also got 10+ years of lifting experience, so I've done my share of "just do it."

I like the post, don't get me wrong. I just wanted to state that I'm okay with my collection of supplementation, its all part of the discipline in my fitness world.

That reminds me,now that work has picked back up,i need to buy Dorian Yates blood and guts.Also Branch Warrens Unchained.I heard it's the first to come close to blood and guts,their both expensive though,even off ebay.First time i looked i bought pumping iron for $12.00 after shipping.Oh yeah.....damn no good lazy $h!t for brains want a sup to do all the work chicken legged pencil necked noodle armed dumb asses!!!!!!!