[Gutterpump]

Originally Posted by LilPsychotic

If you worked hard your whole life, why are you willing to let your government steal your money, and redistribute it to people who don't deserve it? Health care has some problems, but the answer is not forcing everybody to get government run health care. The quality of care will be comparable to cuba because the government will not reimburse doctors anything close to what they get from private companies, so the good doctors will either leave the counrty, quit their practice, or be forced to use cheaper procedures to compensate for the lack of compensation. As far as the ecomony, it could be the fact that we have a bigger liberal than Clinton running the White House. If one of the Democrat candidates gets in, it will get much worse. Obama doesn't even believe in free trade, can you say Bolshevik? Because the man is a commy.

Tbh I don't know much about your politicians down here. I know that I like living here, and I enjoy having a work visa that I can renew indefinately since I am a professional from Canada, thanks to the free trade agreement. If Obama disagrees with this, then down with him lol. I have also heard some republicans who denounce the FTA, I think there's people on both sides who do.

It's interesting when speaking of Canada's health care system. It's one of the best in the world. In fact Canada is rated to have one of the highest standards of living in the world as well. I completely love the United States though, not bashing it here at all...and of course I am only versed with living in New York City, definately not good to compare it's standard of living, I'd say it's much different that most other American cities.

About my comment on over-expensive schooling in the US, I didnt' mean it was necessary to go to one in order to get a good job. Whoever made that comment was right, it's not necessary to have this degree or that degree to become successful, takes a lot of hard work. Overall though, higher- education in the US seems tailored to the rich, or the upper-middle class at least. Education should be a right, for everyone. Right now I hear speak of tiered tuition costs across the board for people with different backgrounds. Very interesting, not sure how that will work out though, but it's definately an interesting thought.

[CryingEmo]

Originally Posted by Gutterpump

Tbh I don't know anything about your politicians down here. I know that I like living here, and I enjoy having a work visa that I can renew indefinately since I am a professional from Canada. If Obama disagrees with this, then down with him lol. I have also heard some republicans who denounce the FTA, I think there's people on both sides who do.

It's interesting when speaking of Canada's health care system. It's one of the best in the world. In fact Canada is rated to have one of the highest standards of living in the world as well. I completely love the United States though, not bashing it here at all...and of course I am only versed with living in New York City, definately not good to compare it's standard of living, I'd say it's much different that most other American cities.

About my comment on over-expensive schooling in the US, I didnt' mean it was necessary to go to one in order to get a good job. Whoever made that comment was right, it's not necessary to have this degree or that degree to become successful, takes a lot of hard work. Overall though, higher- education in the US seems tailored to the rich, or the upper-middle class at least. Education should be a right, for everyone. Right now I hear speak of tiered tuition costs across the board for people with different backgrounds. Very interesting, not sure how that will work out though, but it's definately an interesting thought.

You're treading on thin ice canadian, we don't like your kind around these parts.


LOL, j/k.


I'd like to go to different countries like canada and sample their healthcare systems so to speak.

[Gutterpump]

LOL I feel americanized already, thanks to my gf and lack of trips back to the 'homeland'. I'll probably have my green card here one day and who knows, maybe my citizenship. Then I may be more welcomed around here haha, jk.

I gotta say she doesn't like me talking much about Canada though either

[Cosmo Kramer]

Originally Posted by Gutterpump

As far as I know, you have to go into debt here to get any sort of surgery done. I guess those health policies are fine, until people get really sick.

No, your wrong. I am covered just fine but as with any policy there is a deductible.

Sales tax may be higher in Canada, but I'm getting raped on income tax here.

Then your accountant sucks because our tax rates pertaining to income is lower here than in Canada.

I was making just as much money up there, with great benefits as well. I came down here for a temporary change in scenery, plus I have a lot of friends here whom I've been doing freelance work with, and a girlfriend here. You think I only came down here for money? Opportunities? The market is larger yes, but for talented professionals in Canada, it's pretty good up there too, just a little colder lol.

Yes, but this country gives you that opportunity as where most others do not.

Overall, factoring in cost of living and income, the markets, etc, I may have been doing better monatarily in Canada actually, but I'm not complaining. I like NY.

You live in one of, if not, the highest taxed state in America. Why? Liberal/Democratic tax policies.

That's exactly what I thought this thread to be when I saw it pop up. I can't vote here, I'm not really trying to debate in one way or another. Simply saying that there are a lot of useless liberal kids, as well as useless conservative brats with no talent and only money and networks working for them to get through life. It works both ways.

There are more liberal, left wing, anti-authority youths running around than conservative, fiscal responsible, traditional value youths. Obama is a rock star with the liberal youth for a reason.

Not all are crooks but there are crooks in every system, and not one single politician is perfect. My idea is just to vote for the lesser of the two evils, whichever that may be.

They've been saying that for centuries.

I'm not very biased when it comes to political parties. In fact I am doing work on a Republican Senators campaign (completely of my own free will, on the side), even though I am not conservative. While working on this, I became a little shocked at some of this person's policies and beliefs. I have seen far more extremism in the far-right conservatives than I have seen with liberals.

I don't think you look at our version of liberal very often because its very different from a Canadian liberal who is a "bit right of center"

But yeah I also think you're right. Canadian Liberals are a little different. The party itself is right of center.

Ours are 3 miles left of center. Center isn't in the picture.

If the US had a larger party in between the D's and R's, I think that'd be a better spot to be in. I see too many extremes down here on both sides.

That's because the rules the news. The people that decide the election are independents and moderates. That's the reason why during the primaries you see the "extreme" views to gain party nomination but then veer to the center for the general election.

[Gutterpump]

Originally Posted by Jerry

I don't think you look at our version of liberal very often because its very different from a Canadian liberal who is a "bit right of center"
Ours are 3 miles left of center. Center isn't in the picture..

I just did a bit of research, seems that your Libertarian Party is the equivalent of our Canadian Liberal Party. I guess that would make me a Libertarian down here.

[EasyEJL]

thats vaguely respectable then. BTW, the reason your taxes seem high is that you live in NYC. There is a separate state income tax (which not all states have) as well as a city income tax. So they are hitting you probably for a good 10% more in taxes than in most other states.

[ShakesAllDay]

Oil bumped up to ~106 overnight. It was great.

BTW, what happened to the list of thread viewers?

[Cosmo Kramer]

Originally Posted by Gutterpump

I just did a bit of research, seems that your Libertarian Party is the equivalent of our Canadian Liberal Party. I guess that would make me a Libertarian down here.

Its a world of difference on many issues.

[Chad]

Originally Posted by SureShot

Instead of getting JOBS after they graduate college, they hang out, smoke cigarettes, skateboard, and then go get a master's degree in finger painting or whatever.

HEY! that sounds like a good idea! what schools have figer painting programs???!!!!

[SureShot]

Originally Posted by Chad

HEY! that sounds like a good idea! what schools have figer painting programs???!!!!

I'm sure NYU might have one lol

[Polynomial]

Originally Posted by LilPsychotic

If you worked hard your whole life, why are you willing to let your government steal your money, and redistribute it to people who don't deserve it?

Because while I don't need two plasma screen TV's, super-fancy-cable with five billion channels, and other unnecessary sh!t, other people might need some clothes?

Or maybe it's so that we can pay community health professionals who can spot troubled people before they go shooting everyone up?

Let me ask you this: when a member of your family runs into financial trouble, do you help them out or leave them in the cold?

Do you have the slightest idea how underfunded cancer research currently is? And how much progress would be made with proper funding?

This whole thread leaves me saddened by the fact that a lot of you seem to forget that 'liberals' constitute 50% of your countrymen. I will say though that I've never met a young conservative who didn't use liberal-hating as a way of escapism from his own self-esteem issues. You know, hide with the 'hated' minority so that you don't have to compare yourself to your peers who seem to be out there leading successful lives.

[SureShot]

Originally Posted by Polynomial

Because while I don't need two plasma screen TV's, super-fancy-cable with five billion channels, and other unnecessary sh!t, other people might need some clothes?

Or maybe it's so that we can pay community health professionals who can spot troubled people before they go shooting everyone up?

Let me ask you this: when a member of your family runs into financial trouble, do you help them out or leave them in the cold?

Do you have the slightest idea how underfunded cancer research currently is? And how much progress would be made with proper funding?

This whole thread leaves me saddened by the fact that a lot of you seem to forget that 'liberals' constitute 50% of your countrymen. I will say though that I've never met a young conservative who didn't use liberal-hating as a way of escapism from his own self-esteem issues. You know, hide with the 'hated' minority so that you don't have to compare yourself to your peers who seem to be out there leading successful lives.

I'm leading a successful life, so whats your point? I did explain pretty thoroughly my point of view, and yes, of course there are exceptions.

[Polynomial]

Originally Posted by SureShot

I'm leading a successful life, so whats your point? I did explain pretty thoroughly my point of view, and yes, of course there are exceptions.

What about the liberal philosophy is causing all these problems with the youth?

[SureShot]

Originally Posted by Polynomial

What about the liberal philosophy is causing all these problems with the youth?

I think this was already explained like 25x by various people in this thread. I also said how this problem is being carried by the youth in to their friggen 30's as I have observed. This was also explained numerous times.

[Polynomial]

Originally Posted by SureShot

I think this was already explained like 25x by various people in this thread. I also said how this problem is being carried by the youth in to their friggen 30's as I have observed. This was also explained numerous times.

I just read some rants about privileged kids living off their parents' money, people handing out pamphlets instead of working, and some rant about the Nationalist party that sounded awfully like something out of Mein Kampf.

I also found out that people who don't want our soldiers to die are evil commie scum.

I'm still not sure what all that has to do with modern American liberalism?