[Gutterpump]

Gentrification is what it is. It's no new phenomenon. I don't quite agree with the shadiness of some of the landowners though. The building I live at now, our super is one of the original tenants, been there before the area blew up the past few yrs, and he's told us a lot of shady things that these landowners have been doing with tenants who don't know their rights. I gotta say I like the area a lot though, less pretentious than most areas of Brooklyn, and has more of a raw vibe.

I'm a designer (motion graphics, video, graphic design, etc), so I naturally want to be around other designers too, not to mention most of the parties/bars/clubs etc that I go to are in Williamsburg. So I guess the area is pretentious in that sense, but not even close to other areas like Brooklyn Heights, Cobble Hill, etc....it's a decent area without feeling stuffy. My gf lives in Brooklyn Heights and to be honest it's really nice, just a bit too stuffy and boring. I'm there maybe half of the week, it's a nice recluse within the craziness of the city.

I agree with the naivity of the people moving into wburg though lol. You're talking to me as though I don't know anything about where I live. A good friend of mine I work with used to live there 10 yrs ago, and told me all about the craziness of Williamsburg...not to mention I witness craziness there still once in a while. I've gotta say though regardless, one of my favorite areas of NYC, wouldn't want to live elsewhere unless I had a family. I've been living in urban areas the past 12 years, it's areas that aren't fully over-run by twats that are the best to live in....but if you have no street knowledge, best not to move to places like that.

I've lived in all areas of Toronto, couple areas of Queens and Long Island City...and to be totally honest, I like the freedom I have living in an area that isn't completely run over by investment bankers or that's been completely gentrified. I wouldn't get away so much with having turntables and a 500watt sub in most areas of nyc like UES, West Village, etc.

[Dagron]

Of course young libs are indirectly killing America, they are lending credibility to the wackos who push us toward greater control and taxation in the name of "the common good". You don't gotta convince me, I live in Appleton, WI; home of the John Birch society

[LilPsychotic]

I agree that it's lame to live off one's parents for any extended period of time. I've worked since I was 10, and have paid for everything in my life. Cars, education, ect. It wasn't that my parents couldn't help me, I didn't want them to help me. I truely feel sorry for the kids who have life handed to them on a silver platter, because generally they don't know sh*t about real life. Hence the liberal attitude. They are so used to life handed to them that unfortunately they think everyone should have it that way. They know no other way of life. The problen is, not everybody has parents with an unlimited bankroll, namely the able bodied welfare bums that refuse to work. Why should they? They get paycheck everymonth for being nothing but a slob, with you, me, and other tax paying individuals footing the bill. Aside from that my real problem is with the college age left wingers and activists. They are so brainwashed and befogged, and haven't the slightest clue what they're doing. A few weeks ago they held an anti-war protest outside of the campus recruiting office. Well, at least they attempted to, there wasn't much of a turnout because these morons were afraid to stand out in the cold. These red diaper doper babies, led by their communist professors hate this country, they hate everything we stand for, and will be the ultimate demise of our soverieinty if we let them. I for one will not. If I could have gotten away with cracking a few skulls that day I would have. These degenerate scum bags have no respect for the brave men and women who are dying in an effort to protect their sorry a$$es. These doped up pieces of human debris should be shipped out of this country, and if I had any say in it, I swear I would see to it. You might be asking "what can I do to save the country that I love?". Here's our answer: Protect our boarders, preserve our language, and honor your American culture and join the Nationalist party this upcoming fall. If you are tired of Republicans and Democrats alike selling your country down the river, then join us, and seek what your heart has been yearning. *I'll provide more details as they become available.

[Gutterpump]

Damn...I'm still laughing at the 'young libs are jobless ppl who don't know what hard work's all about' bit. That and the skateboarding comment. Classic! Those damn skateboarders!!! arrrrgh lol


I gotta say, I'm young, been liberal my whole life, grown up in a very much middle-class family, and work hard as a muther****er, my whole life, in fact I've worked hard to get anything that I have ever gotten in life. Oh and I also used to skateboard for most of that time, and still snowboard, for 15 yrs now (but that sport's accepted by the extreme right / suit-n-tie guys now as well I guess). Moved out and been paying my way since I was 18. Paying back the student loans that put me through school, and very much a workaholic lol. This thread is just too funny to me.

Man you've got more problems with your country than the few people who may have the priveledge to live off their parents money. Look at your health-care program, look at your economy...etc, etc.

[SureShot]

Originally Posted by Gutterpump

Damn...I'm still laughing at the 'young libs are jobless ppl who don't know what hard work's all about' bit. That and the skateboarding comment. Classic! Those damn skateboarders!!! arrrrgh lol

The young libs that i meet are mostly jobless, of course there are exceptions, you for one have a job, and the skateboarding comment was meant for humor. Gentrification is what libs like to call moving in to downtrodden areas, paying ridiculous rent to live in loft apartments across from the housing projects and being OK with it.

[Cosmo Kramer]

Originally Posted by Gutterpump

Look at your health-care program, look at your economy...etc, etc.

Please go into details. I would love hear these talking points explained to me.

You are Canadian correct?

[LilPsychotic]

Originally Posted by Gutterpump

Damn...I'm still laughing at the 'young libs are jobless ppl who don't know what hard work's all about' bit. That and the skateboarding comment. Classic! Those damn skateboarders!!! arrrrgh lol


I gotta say, I'm young, been liberal my whole life, grown up in a very much middle-class family, and work hard as a muther****er, my whole life, in fact I've worked hard to get anything that I have ever gotten in life. Oh and I also used to skateboard for most of that time, and still snowboard, for 15 yrs now (but that sport's accepted by the extreme right / suit-n-tie guys now as well I guess). Moved out and been paying my way since I was 18. Paying back the student loans that put me through school, and very much a workaholic lol. This thread is just too funny to me.

Man you've got more problems with your country than the few people who may have the priveledge to live off their parents money. Look at your health-care program, look at your economy...etc, etc.

If you worked hard your whole life, why are you willing to let your government steal your money, and redistribute it to people who don't deserve it? Health care has some problems, but the answer is not forcing everybody to get government run health care. The quality of care will be comparable to cuba because the government will not reimburse doctors anything close to what they get from private companies, so the good doctors will either leave the counrty, quit their practice, or be forced to use cheaper procedures to compensate for the lack of compensation. As far as the ecomony, it could be the fact that we have a bigger liberal than Clinton running the White House. If one of the Democrat candidates gets in, it will get much worse. Obama doesn't even believe in free trade, can you say Bolshevik? Because the man is a commy.

[LilPsychotic]

Barack Obama is the candidate for change...because change is all you'll have left in your pocket after he's done with you.

[Nightwanderer]

I will say the poverty fashion trend is retarded. I come from a very troubled back ground and ran the streets off and on from about 15 to 20 years old, sleeping in abandoned buildings and shoplifting to eat. So, I do wonder why name brand clothes are made to look 2nd hand and cost a premium. Odd how it's harder for a man to get hired for a job if he keeps his hair long even if it's very well groomed, or admits in the interview that his primary means of travel is public transportation, yet it's in fashion to spend your paycheck on sport accessories for cars that barely run and attempts to look like a total bum.

[Gutterpump]

Originally Posted by Jerry

Please go into details. I would love hear these talking points explained to me.

You are Canadian correct?

To be honest, I don't know much about American politics, but I do know that in this country, if you have a good job, you have pretty decent health care. If you're unfortunate enough to not be able to afford the very high cost of schooling here and get a great job, then you are ****ed where it comes to getting proper health care without paying a huge chunck of your hard earned money for it. To top it off, income tax here and a lot of taxes in general are even higher than I've seen in Canada. So the people who say that Canadians spend all their hard earned money on social programs by being over-taxed, etc, well they just don't quite know what they are talking about. Anyhow, this is not meant to be a Canada vs US debate...nor is it meant to be a Dem vs Rep debate either. I think the OP just needs to open his eyes a litte wider and remove a bit of the tunnel vision.

Tbh, I feel really bad for the less fortunate people of this country. I would not have moved here if I was not making a pretty decent amount of cash and had great benefits at my job. I know your country has a much larger counter culture, a larger divide between the very wealthy, and the poor. I know that your economy isn't doing very great, and that's a much more important thing to worry about, than a bunch of kids wasting their parents money! A few kids aren't destroying America...it's the politicians who are and the people who let them do what they want and get away with it.

The topic of this thread just sounds rediculous, I've met/spoken to many so called republican kids who do the same, wasting mommy n daddy's money, driving mommy n daddy's BMW and living at their mommy n daddy's estate till their mid-20s as well. Either that or have their folks buy them a house/condo and give them everything they want, including their high-titled jobs, withouth them working very hard for it...and even without being all that qualified for it. Wow...wait a minute....I thought this sort of waste of space occurance only happened with libs. LMAO. Someone's a lil self-righteous in this thread.

There are both good and bad things to all sides, including the people who follow. I've yet to meet a perfect person, nevermind a perfect leader or ideology that can be followed perfectly. If there's one thing I know, is that all politicians are crooks.

[skunkman]

Dude I understand what you are saying about feeling sorry for people but the government should not be paying for it. If someone has a passion to help the needy then they should take part of their check and give it to an organization that will help them. IMO some one who is willing to pay for socialized health care is lazy and really not as caring as one may think. It is too easy to let Big Brother take a (large) chunk of your earnings and solve these problems. It takes 10 fold the effort to see a dollar amount on your check and decide that you are going to give a specific individual or group a portion of that money.

Seriously it is not that hard to get insurance. I am a sales manager for Express Personnel and we give insurance for like $23 a week, with no waiting period. It's not the best but considering the amount of bottom feeders in America it is probably way better than what the government will give you.

As far as your school statement goes that is completely a crock of sh1t. I didn't go through any post high school schooling and I have a very well paying job (I know others on here are probably in the same boat). You don't need a degree to be successful, you need determination and confidence. I have worked hard for were I am today. Allowing the government to give MY money to someone who doesn't know what a hard day of work is is a slap in the face.

Free health care is like the NFL telling people that don't have the genetics to be pro that it is ok to juice.

[Australian made]

Originally Posted by Jerry

Please go into details. I would love hear these talking points explained to me.

You are Canadian correct?

I think the fact that your dollar is getting killed from every single major currency around the world is proof enough that economy is not in a good way. Of course it will turn and the US will again boom but at the moment the word "recession" is on the tip of every economists tongue. Not to mention the house prices falling daily...

Personally i think its a good thing. ITs gives the average earning person a chance to get into the property/stock market without paying over inflated prices....its just a pain in the ass if you want to go on a European holiday.

[SureShot]

I would also like to touch on "gentrification" which is a fancy term used by elitists who think that they are being diverse by living in converted factory lofts or brand new condos which are built across the street from housing projects. How "gentrified" are you? Are you hanging out and barbecuing with the people in the bushwick houses? You guys going to the movies together? No, you live on one side of the street and are paying 3gs a month, and they live on the other, laughing because they are paying 100 bucks a month and you live in the same hood. Another gentrification hot bed in brooklyn is the Bedford Nostrand stop on the G. Its so diverse and "gentrified" that all the white people that just moved there from other places exit on one side, and the rest on the Nostrand side.

[Cosmo Kramer]

Originally Posted by Australian made

I think the fact that your dollar is getting killed from every single major currency around the world is proof enough that economy is not in a good way. Of course it will turn and the US will again boom but at the moment the word "recession" is on the tip of every economists tongue. Not to mention the house prices falling daily...

Personally i think its a good thing. ITs gives the average earning person a chance to get into the property/stock market without paying over inflated prices....its just a pain in the ass if you want to go on a European holiday.

Its a natural fluctuation after the amount of sovereign wealth funds that invest here (because of such an enormous economic boom). The US government is actually depreciating its currency for a reason and the term recession is used to much by politicians who don't even understand that you need 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP to be in a recession.

Ask the Australian government and EU how they like the position of the dollar right now. They HATE it.


Its another example of how the war was lost (which wasn't true) and now we're in a recession (which isn't a true). Election year rhetoric that unfortunently people in other countries tend to believe.

[Australian made]

Originally Posted by Jerry

Ask the Australian government and EU how they like the position of the dollar right now. They HATE it.