A Time To Kill ?

[Chad]

If your child was raped and murdered by someone what would you do?

Lets say for this question that the police already had the person who killed your child and they had given a full confession.

I know in my heart that i would never be at peace with whatever was done but i know that only something i did to that person would make it even come close to being justice.

I have always been a vengeful person and believe whole hearted in an eye for an eye.
I would have to kill the person that killed my child. I dont mean that i would want to flip the switch to his electric chair, i mean i would want to be looking in his eyes as i cut his heart out.

I only bring up this topic because of the court case that is going on right now with a man who raped and killed a 9 year old little girl.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

I say that I would kill him, but then again I guess I'd have to be in that situation (and I hope I never am).

 

[ReaperX]

If your child was raped and murdered by someone what would you do?

Lets say for this question that the police already had the person who killed your child and they had given a full confession.

I know in my heart that i would never be at peace with whatever was done but i know that only something i did to that person would make it even come close to being justice.

I have always been a vengeful person and believe whole hearted in an eye for an eye.
I would have to kill the person that killed my child. I dont mean that i would want to flip the switch to his electric chair, i mean i would want to be looking in his eyes as i cut his heart out.

I only bring up this topic because of the court case that is going on right now with a man who raped and killed a 9 year old little girl.

I know a lot of criminals say 'im sorry' and I'm changed...whatever sympathy statement sounds good for the day, and maybe they are right, but the person still committed the crime.

I really don't see how you can justify NOT executing someone else who has committed murder ? The person has the same freedom as us and chose to abuse it and take away a little girl's life how can you have justice if the favor is not returned ?

 

[kwyckemynd00]

Yeah...I think that if murder's say they're sorry for what they did, they should deliver the message to the victim in person. Off with their heads.

 

[lifted]

Yes, but killing the perpetrator isn't gonna make your child come back... that's all I can say.

I've actually had something like this happen to me, kinda, not gonna go into details cause it's personal, and as I was on my way to dismember a body, I realized that it ain't gonna fix anything and will most likely make things worse. Won't know till it happens to you...and that will be the day that you gotta think and think good about life in general. Mental PAIN, sorrow, and brokenheartedness are IMO more painful than any other physical illness out there in the world today, and finding the cure for them takes time, not physical payback.

 

[Chad]

Yeah...I think that if murder's say they're sorry for what they did, they should deliver the message to the victim in person. Off with their heads.

:lol:

:hammer:

 

[ReaperX]

People try to use the whole 'I'm reformed' or some type of apologetic appraisal.......but you know what ? God forbid people act like an adult and think about their actions beforehand, which in the same notion be a responsible adult and take the verdict like a man.

The problem in society today is no one ever wants to be accountable for anything. It is the master 'blame game' that people love to play which is pretty pathetic to say the least.

Look for example Benoit's case: Could it be that he himself killed his family case closed ? They are pulling teeth trying to make the whole steroid mold fit when it clearly does not...but of course that is the rules of 'The Blame Game'.

 

[Chad]

Yes, but killing the perpetrator isn't gonna make your child come back... that's all I can say.

I've actually had something like this happen to me, kinda, not gonna go into details cause it's personal, and as I was on my way to dismember a body, I realized that it ain't gonna fix anything and will most likely make things worse. Won't know till it happens to you...and that will be the day that you gotta think and think good about life in general. Mental PAIN, sorrow, and brokenheartedness are IMO more painful than any other physical illness out there in the world today, and finding the cure for them takes time, not physical payback.

i`m sorry that something like this happened to you.
but i know i dont have enough self control to not act.

 

[ReaperX]

Yes, but killing the perpetrator isn't gonna make your child come back... that's all I can say.

I've actually had something like this happen to me, kinda, not gonna go into details cause it's personal, and as I was on my way to dismember a body, I realized that it ain't gonna fix anything and will most likely make things worse. Won't know till it happens to you...and that will be the day that you gotta think and think good about life in general. Mental PAIN, sorrow, and brokenheartedness are IMO more painful than any other physical illness out there in the world today, and finding the cure for them takes time, not physical payback.

Setting all revenge attitudes aside, its not even about that. It is about being accountable for your actions, and accepting the consequences for them good or bad...that's it. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[lifted]

Now yes, I agree with the death penalty, but taking things into your own hands IMO will only make things worse.

 

[lifted]

i`m sorry that something like this happened to you.
but i know i dont have enough self control to not act.

thx bud. And believe me, it wasn't like I just thought "you know what, i let him slide, let's go get some pizza!" It actually took 5 family members stopping me in the middle of a busy expressway when I was on my way in my car to take the law into my own hands. But what I'm saying is that after some time passed (say a month or two) I began realizing that my family was right and I woulda made a HUGE mistake and that the only thing that would/could and did heal my heart was time...

 

[Chad]

the right thing might be to let the law take care of it and i guess i can see where killing the person myself would make things harder for my family but like i said, i know how i act when i feel like i or someone i love has been hurt. i stop thinking about wrong and right and its selfish of me but i know i wouldn`t stop till i killed that person.

 

[joecski]

the right thing might be to let the law take care of it and i guess i can see where killing the person myself would make things harder for my family but like i said, i know how i act when i feel like i or someone i love has been hurt. i stop thinking about wrong and right and its selfish of me but i know i wouldn`t stop till i killed that person.

I actually discussed this with my wife last night, and I assured her that if someone raped and/or killed her I would make sure they paid with their life at my hands. We were watching Jessica Lunsford's dad sit in a courtroom with the scumbag who raped then buried alive his daughter argued that he was mentally retarded and shouldn't be executed. I would kill that pig if it was the last thing I did. I would also kill if someone harmed my child, even though he is an adult now and could handle things himself.

 

[Chad]

I actually discussed this with my wife last night, and I assured her that if someone raped and/or killed her I would make sure they paid with their life at my hands. We were watching Jessica Lunsford's dad sit in a courtroom with the scumbag who raped then buried alive his daughter argued that he was mentally retarded and shouldn't be executed. I would kill that pig if it was the last thing I did. I would also kill if someone harmed my child, even though he is an adult now and could handle things himself.

:cheers:

 

[CDB]

I wanted to say I'd kill them, but on second thought if I had a kid my guess would be I also had a wife and maybe some other kids, so I wouldn't want to leave them without me. So I'd want to kill them but likely wouldn't unless I could think of how to do it flawlessly and get away with it. In which case I'd kill them. Or if I had nothing else to lose.

If your child was raped and murdered by someone what would you do?

Lets say for this question that the police already had the person who killed your child and they had given a full confession.

I know in my heart that i would never be at peace with whatever was done but i know that only something i did to that person would make it even come close to being justice.

I have always been a vengeful person and believe whole hearted in an eye for an eye.
I would have to kill the person that killed my child. I dont mean that i would want to flip the switch to his electric chair, i mean i would want to be looking in his eyes as i cut his heart out.

I only bring up this topic because of the court case that is going on right now with a man who raped and killed a 9 year old little girl.

 

[ReaperX]

The thing is when they do administer the death penalty why does it have to be a whole bunch of expensive drugs ? Just hang them or use a 3 cent bullet....talk about being extremely uneconomical.

 

[joecski]

I wanted to say I'd kill them, but on second thought if I had a kid my guess would be I also had a wife and maybe some other kids, so I wouldn't want to leave them without me. So I'd want to kill them but likely wouldn't unless I could think of how to do it flawlessly and get away with it. In which case I'd kill them. Or if I had nothing else to lose.

I personally don't have that extended family, so it is an easy choice for me. I do not believe the criminal justice system does its job. Look at all the rapists/killers who get out of jail in five years and commit the crimes again. If we, as a society, would wake up and realize people don't get easily rehabilitated, maybe prison life would not be so comfortable that people would risk going back.

In every psych course/seminar I've taken I've been drilled repeatedly with one phrase, "The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior." Once a dog has killed, they put it down. Same with bears, alligators, any wild animals. Why is it different with people???

Now, with all that being said, and I knew the penalty for killing and raping my wife meant instant death upon conviction for the offender, I would not kill him, society would do my justice.

However, if there was the slightest doubt he might get off with a lesser sentence, such as in the case of the little girl who was raped and buried alive even though the guy admitted to it and the evidence is overwhelming, and even though a jury has sentenced him to death, a judge can still overturn it, and even then he won't be dead for another 20 years in which time he'll probably die anyway, I would kill that man with a clear conscience.

 

[tattoopierced1]

god help someone if they ever touched anyone in my family. i have plans, long detailed plans on what i'd do to someone to make sure they died a very very very long and extremely painful death.

 

[CDB]

I personally don't have that extended family, so it is an easy choice for me. I do not believe the criminal justice system does its job. Look at all the rapists/killers who get out of jail in five years and commit the crimes again. If we, as a society, would wake up and realize people don't get easily rehabilitated, maybe prison life would not be so comfortable that people would risk going back.

Prison life ain't comfortable. Jail/prison is ****ed up beyond belief. The problem is it's not ****ed up in the right ways, and some of the people just aren't going to change. They get mixed in with the ones who may have some hope, and an environment is set up where all the negative tendencies in people we are trying to get rid of are strengthened.

I think the real problem is people try to do too much through the law. A truly just society would have very few laws and take those laws very seriously. We have a morass of laws that people take a lot less seriously. So we pack prisons full of people who really shouldn't be there, and let ones out who should be there to make room for more of either type.

In every psych course/seminar I've taken I've been drilled repeatedly with one phrase, "The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior." Once a dog has killed, they put it down. Same with bears, alligators, any wild animals. Why is it different with people???

Because they don't kill them, and they need to make room for the dangerous pot smokers.

Now, with all that being said, and I knew the penalty for killing and raping my wife meant instant death upon conviction for the offender, I would not kill him, society would do my justice.

And if a DNA test showed that he wasn't the rapist after he was executed, who would do his justice?

 

[joecski]

And if a DNA test showed that he wasn't the rapist after he was executed, who would do his justice?

I am sure the DNA test would be revealed at the trial. I am not condoning an attack on a possibly innocent person. I am saying that in a clear cut case, where the evidence is overwhelming,and there is no defense except insanity, I know what I'd do.

Jessica Lunsford's father sat across the room from the man who raped/buried his daughter alive, admitted it, and his defense was he was mentally retarded. You don't get mentally retarded, you are born mentally retarded, unless there is a serious brain trauma, which there was not. My point is this, in his place, I would kill that man in a heartbeat, even if it meant I was going to be killed. I could not live with myself knowing he had done that to my baby and he was still breathing.

I didn't say prison life was fun either, I said it was comfortable. Start breaking up the gangs in prison by keeping the prisoners separated, making them do productive work in in chain gangs, and not letting them have tv's, radios, movie nights, weight sets. Basically, make them sit and think about why they are there by themselves. Prisons are overcrowded now, let's reduce the population by executing those on death row without waiting 20 years and changing the law to not create criminals. How are we creating criminals, by having stupid laws like the one a man was charged with in Orlando - feeding the homeless. He was taken to prison for feeding the homeless. Society is focused on the wrong things.

There are issues I am very conservative about, but I am also more liberal than my tone suggests. I agree the drug laws need to be changed, marijuana is no more/probably less dangerous than alcohol, yet we are creating criminals with our laws. When I was a kid, it was easier to get marijuana than to get beer, that was the real effect of the law and Nixon's original war on drugs, not the intended effect.

 

[CRUNCH]

Just to comment on the one point about those sitting on death row for twenty years before being executed, I actually kind of like that. They get to know their death is coming. Usually they are in solitary confinement, with only one hour per day out of their cell to even see another person, letalone talk to one. That is a nice little torture if you ask me. Humans are social creatures, taking that away hurts. And those people need hurt, lots of it for a long time.


What does break my heart though, is hearing about somebody getting released from twenty years on death row that was innocent. Could you imagine going through what I mentioned above and being innocent?? These guys seem to be ok when they get out too. I ust can't imagine how much bitter rage I would have built up in that time.

 

[ReaperX]

Just to comment on the one point about those sitting on death row for twenty years before being executed, I actually kind of like that. They get to know their death is coming. Usually they are in solitary confinement, with only one hour per day out of their cell to even see another person, letalone talk to one. That is a nice little torture if you ask me. Humans are social creatures, taking that away hurts. And those people need hurt, lots of it for a long time.


What does break my heart though, is hearing about somebody getting released from twenty years on death row that was innocent. Could you imagine going through what I mentioned above and being innocent?? These guys seem to be ok when they get out too. I ust can't imagine how much bitter rage I would have built up in that time.

The state will pay the inmate for each day they spent in prison. One of the rates I heard was $8.00 a day. So yeah they just pay the innocent inmate and say 'Sorry dude, my bad.'

 

[CRUNCH]

I don't think any amount of money in the world could even come close to making up for that. And $8.00/day...WTF! Is that really all they get?

 

[gotripped]

everybody's seen sin city right??? Remember the scene where frodo gets hacked to pieces and eaten by wolves??? but hes kept alive by way of turnicates. That's what I do to them.
And you might say "you dont know until youre in that situation" but I'd f&cking skin them alive.

 

[bpmartyr]

I have to agree with CDB's position here. Being someone with a wife and more than one child I would not wish them to be without me, nor would I wish to be in prison without them.

If they somehow got off and didn't end up in prison ... if they never find a body ...

 

[BigCasino]

My favorite character in Resevoir Dogs was Mr. Blonde. That ought to explain how I would handle such a situation.... God help them, because I won't.

 

[sdmf45]

"you don't understand, these boys killed my dog!" :numbered:

 

[joecski]

I have to agree with CDB's position here. Being someone with a wife and more than one child I would not wish them to be without me, nor would I wish to be in prison without them.

No offense to anyone who posted similar thoughts, but here's my take...

If someone committed the heinous acts we discussed to one of my children and I had two more, what would those two children think of me for the rest of their lives if I stood by and did NOTHING??? They would naturally feel that i did not value my children, even if I tried to explain away that it is the rational thing to do. What would your wife think??? I think she would resent you, you are the man, you're supposed to do something, not sit by and watch. Lastly, how would YOU live with yourself??? I think I would live everyday in resentment and self-pity because I would fee like a coward.

On the flip side, if you took revenge, I believe your wife would respect/understand/support that decision, your children would idolize you, and the criminal justice system would sympathize with your plight, you would be charged with manslaughter, not murder, and get a very lenient sentence. No judge or jury is going to crack down on a man who killed out of passion to revenge his child, especially in a horrific crime as discussed.

I have heard many times that "An eye for an eye makes us all blind," but I personally don't care. Time would NOT heal a wound that deep, compounded by the fact that I was too cowardly/didn't love my child enough to protect/revenge them.

And the last point, killing them doesn't make your child come back, but, in a way, it evens the score. It is the only thing I could do to go on living. If his family wanted to try revenge on me, that's their prerogative. However, if my son raped and buried a little girl alive, I would never look his way again and hang my head in eternal shame.

 

[Iron Warrior]

If my son or even a close friend or relative went through that I'd have to torture and kill the criminal. Sometimes vigilante justice is a lot better then our justice system.

 

[Chad]

"you don't understand, these boys killed my dog!" :numbered:

shooter?

 

[sdmf45]

shooter?

yup! i love that movie cause thats exactly what i would do if some sh*t happened like this! i would kill em.

 

[Chad]

yup! i love that movie cause thats exactly what i would do if some sh*t happened like this! i would kill em.

yeah the end was awesome.

 

[sdmf45]

yeah the end was awesome.

hell ya! "i'm a united states senator,......exactly!"

 

[spatch]

This thread raises the question, does intellagence aid in a species survival?

 

[lifted]

Time would NOT heal a wound that deep, compounded by the fact that I was too cowardly/didn't love my child enough to protect/revenge them.

No, if your family members really love you they wouldn't let you go through with it for a fear of losing you too, as did mine.

And the last point, killing them doesn't make your child come back, but, in a way, it evens the score.

Again, I disagree. This is what I thought, but now in hindsight, I know that it wouldn't have made musch of a difference. Time may not heal you completely, it didn't for me, but it def helped me get on with my life again...

And like I said, people will say "I don't give a fvck, I'd kill 'em, blah, blah, blah. Trust me, when it comes down to the wire, I'm willing to bet my life that AT LEAST half of you guys wouldn't go through with it when you gotta make a choice that you'll have to live with for the rest of your life...

For myself, I WAS one that tried to get my own revenge and would of went through with it, but couldn't because I was physically subdued by 5 close family members cause they know how I am and they were right. That then turned into 6 more police officers watching where I went the rest of the night...

Anyways now that I've exp it, I know that in the future (god forbid) something like this happens again, I know that it won't solve anything, and my family and I are both better off letting the law do it's thing... different strokes for different folks tho, just trying to give you guys some conv wisdom since I've been there...

 

[joecski]

This thread raises the question, does intellagence aid in a species survival?

You would have to explain the question a little more concisely. Of course intelligence aids in survival, the reason man is the dominant force on earth is because of intelligence. However, a cockroach isn't very intelligent, and I bet the species survives long after the fall of man.I would also point out sharks, which have been around for millions of years, predating dinosaurs, survive as a species mainly by their hunting skill. I don't consider sharks all that intelligent, their brains are comparable in size to that of birds.

The real question shouldn't be whether intelligence aids in the survival of the species, it should be whether emotions aid in the survival. I think that would make for good debate.

 

[spatch]

You would have to explain the question a little more concisely. Of course intelligence aids in survival, the reason man is the dominant force on earth is because of intelligence. However, a cockroach isn't very intelligent, and I bet the species survives long after the fall of man.I would also point out sharks, which have been around for millions of years, predating dinosaurs, survive as a species mainly by their hunting skill. I don't consider sharks all that intelligent, their brains are comparable in size to that of birds.

The real question shouldn't be whether intelligence aids in the survival of the species, it should be whether emotions aid in the survival. I think that would make for good debate.

Its a Hawking quote. Yes, man is dominant, but its dominance is only VERY recent.