Kramer says racist remarks and then apologizes.

B4n3 0n3 · 11-21-2006, 04:40 PM

At first I was like, **** Kramer but now after seeing the apology I believe the apology and I forgive him. I think what happened is that deep down inside we all know the words but we don't say these words because we know they are wrong but in the heat of the moment we can just say anything that comes to mind. So that is what I believe had happened here and I think Kramer is a good guy that just made an error in judgement.

Here is the tape of the incident.

**BigVrunga** · 11-21-2006, 05:06 PM

He must have been on something to flip out like that...I saw that rant, and it was really, REALLY bad. I saw his apology too and he did look genuinely broken up about what he said, still though - there was such hate in his voice it was crazy.

B4n3 0n3 · 11-21-2006, 05:38 PM

The comments did look pretty bad but I think part of his act is to speak without thinking first as he did so much on Seinfeld so all this stuff just came out of him.

**Jayhawkk** · 11-21-2006, 06:32 PM

Everyone has a deep down dark part that can be unleashed if the right buttons are pushed. Whether or not he was speaking out of being cornered and scared(he's an actor not a stand up comedian) or if he truely feels that way only he will truely know.

I don't know him and he didn't direct em at me at the club so I really don't care one way or another. I also don't get surprised when people let out on racial or prejudices.

cable626 · 11-21-2006, 06:38 PM

I think its part of his act but he took it too far.
As a comedian you have to be prepared for interruptions like that and plan accordingly, not just flip out and say stuff that will offend others.

B4n3 0n3 · 11-21-2006, 06:54 PM

Right, he definatley took it too far. But I really believe his apology. I am about as far from a racist as you can get but things have come out of my mouth before that I am not proud of so I can understand a little bit of where he is comming from. He did the right thing and made an apology.

papa G · 11-21-2006, 11:44 PM

He really did F up!!! Even though I have heard minority comedians use words like honkey, cracker etc, he just made himself look racist as f*ck! It is about how you say it in comedy! He just started speaking out in frustration and anger! As a word of thumb, it is not cool for white guys to say the N word!! I know it is a double standard but it is soo true in todays society.

I honestly think it would be abetter world if people were not offended so easily! Hell, no matter what you say someone is going to be pissed! I think that his timing was way off!

meowmeow · 11-22-2006, 12:26 AM

He didn't just say the N word. He went ballistic and implied that blacks should be strung up! He was intending to demean and he did it in a hostile way. He went on to say that is what happens when you interupt a white man.

I think that this probably puts a nail in the coffin that was his failing career. Nobody will hire him now.

**bioman** · 11-22-2006, 12:55 AM

Yeah, he's done. A friend of mine said he saw Richards' act at the Laugh Factory a few weeks back and said it was terrible beyond belief.

I think in lieu of his failing career and probably a lot of other factors..he just snapped. He does not seem like himself anymore, he seems disturbed both with the tirade and the apology. That in no way excuses his actions as those were some pretty ugly words, but I still hope he finds the help he needs.

**glenihan** · 11-22-2006, 11:07 AM

there is simply no excuse for what he did at all .. i think its absolutely disgraceful .. i've always loved him for what he did on seinfeld (i'm beyond borderline obsessed with that show) but he's a complete ass in my eyes now and no amount of apologizing can cover up what he must believe deep down .... when people start firing off like that its usually true feelings that come out

**BigVrunga** · 11-22-2006, 11:50 AM

He even said it in the middle of his outbust..."It shocks you, It shocks you, what lies beneath the surface...."

Just imagine seeing one of your buddies do that, even if you harbor negative feelings about another race for whatever reason, you dont bring that **** up in public.

**RenegadeRows** · 11-22-2006, 01:14 PM

Temporary insanity...

**CDB** · 11-22-2006, 02:47 PM

He could do a comedy duo routine with Mel Gibson though.

Think of the possibilities.

magnate · 11-22-2006, 02:59 PM

The question I have is...........did he decide to apologize BEFORE or AFTER he found out the whole thing had been videotaped? I believe the video showed up on TMZ, and that's what threw him into total "damage control" mode.

I know this much. I'm not of minority race so I can't begin to understand what its like to have that kind of racism directed at me, but if I was at that show with my wife and he went off on me like that, I would want to kill that son-of-a#@%#

Rocky82 · 11-22-2006, 03:49 PM

Whatever happened to good old amendment number 1?? I dont agree with what Mike Richards said, but it seems that in this wonderful country of ours you can only speak your mind if you're Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or...dare i say, Louis Faracan, one of the greatest and most notorious hate mongers around. I know this thread will be locked soon as it's just a time bomb waiting to explode with loaded racial implicaitons, but I just wanted to be the voice of reason here. Mike Richards may be manic, he might have been on coke, or both. Neither is an excuse. But in this country there are many double standards that I feel are way more absurd than anything he said.

Personally, I will still watch Seinfeld as I always did. What he said was how he felt at that time, and he has every right to do so. He shouldnt have said it at a comedy club in public, but that's part of the way our country and it's freedoms are set up. You take the good with the bad, or get the hell out.

There are greater tragedies in our world today. I think people need to get their heads out of their asses and put things in perspective.

**CDB** · 11-22-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocky82

Whatever happened to good old amendment number 1?? I dont agree with what Mike Richards said, but it seems that in this wonderful country of ours you can only speak your mind if you're Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or...dare i say, Louis Faracan, one of the greatest and most notorious hate mongers around. I know this thread will be locked soon as it's just a time bomb waiting to explode with loaded racial implicaitons, but I just wanted to be the voice of reason here. Mike Richards may be manic, he might have been on coke, or both. Neither is an excuse. But in this country there are many double standards that I feel are way more absurd than anything he said.

Personally, I will still watch Seinfeld as I always did. What he said was how he felt at that time, and he has every right to do so. He shouldnt have said it at a comedy club in public, but that's part of the way our country and it's freedoms are set up. You take the good with the bad, or get the hell out.

There are greater tragedies in our world today. I think people need to get their heads out of their asses and put things in perspective.

I don't recall anyone saying he didn't have the right to say what he said. He's an ******* for saying it, but then so are Farakan, Sharpton, etc. Everyone has the right to speak their mind, and everyone else has the right to judge them on what they say.

Rocky82 · 11-22-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CDB

I don't recall anyone saying he didn't have the right to say what he said. He's an ******* for saying it, but then so are Farakan, Sharpton, etc. Everyone has the right to speak their mind, and everyone else has the right to judge them on what they say.

Touche...I agree, I just wanted to make sure everyone kept that in mind. It's easy to cross over to the side of "How dare he say that, he has no right to" from "He's an ass for saying that". Either way, it's a sad state of affairs. I watched it again and it's painfully obvious that this was not part of the routine although as it got worse and worse he tried to make it seem like it was. I guess maybe he thought that the more absurd he made it the more people would think its funny?? But this was just ugly.