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11-23-2006, 04:58 PM
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He was angry and he implied through his actions and words that blacks were previously treated as inferior and that they should still be treated that way today. He did not simply use the N word. It was much more than that. Listen to the way he says these things...you're a N (word dragged out) and repeated in such a way as to imply inferiority. This coupled with his own description of himself as the "superior" white man. Quote:
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11-23-2006, 05:25 PM
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| Board Supporter | I agree with meow. It all depends on how you say it and in what context. Take, for example, this teacher: |
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11-23-2006, 05:54 PM
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Why is it perfectly acceptable for a black comedian to make fun of white people, but if a white comedian did the same he would be a "racist"? I'm not talking about this particular incedent, I am speaking in broader terms. "Not about my feelings of discontent" huh? Well, my "feelings of discontent" address the issue at heart. We can look at this as an isolated incident, but why not disucuss the reason it happened and the reaction as well? Should be just turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy and the total double standard placed upon white males due merely to the fact that they are born as such. To attack him for having the same feelings at the members of the audience that called him a "cracker" and "white boy" is totally ignorant. Far more ignorant than hating people based soley on the fact that they are not of the same race or gender as you. In a society where we allow double stanards, the end will be hate. It starts as anger due to the fact of unfair treatment, then moves and grows as time goes on. If we keep the idea of these double stanards in place, racism will never go away. It will feed on the division that we ourselves setup and it will grow until there is another civil war. Not based on social-economic and geographic differences, but based soley on the fact that everyone is not the same color. The simple fact that hes being treated differently because he is white IS RACISM. Just because he is not a minority does not make him unseceptible to this. I don't recall Richard Pryor or Chris Rock having to issue a public apology for making racist comments. Why, just because they said it with a smile on their face? Don't forget that often the truth is told in jest. I'm not defending what he did, all I am saying is that if the tables were turned, there would not be such an uproar, nor would there have been a public apology. Thats the real problem, IMHO, not this incident. | |
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11-24-2006, 03:36 PM
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In order to become an orthodox Jew you have to have Jewish heritage otherwise you won't be accepted. Judaism is a religion, but being Jewish is an ethnicity. This is a source of major confusion for many people. Mel Gibson has a problem with those who are ethnically Jewish not the religion. | |
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11-24-2006, 03:50 PM
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| TCP™ Puttin' the P back in Pimp Board Moderator  | Hmmm, So many points being brought up it's hard to adress them all. Both sides have good cases/arguments but they aren't really as solid when the opposing side gets thrown in. There's a lot of history with the word Nigger and context and intent play a huge role in its meaning. Cracker doesn't hold as high of a status, so to speak due to the lack of history surrounding it. As far as Using Dave Chapelle or Carlos Mencia etc. They surround their humor in ways that even a ordinary black or hispanic man would not do in regular society. Comics much like poets have a much more open and accepted vocabulary. This guy let his personal feelings act like cornered dog. When we are pushed we usually act in a couple ways. One being to attack those in ways we know would hurt them regardless of how we felt. If you knew a women was very concerned with her weight even though she wasn't fat that would probably be slung out there by a person that knew this and was angry. Another way is just taking any hidden repressed feelings and letting them loose. Then there's a nice combination which is what this guy seemed to have a field day with. At the end of the day all you need to do is make sure you don't let yourself fall into that same scenerio.  A wise man said: Once you come ashore you will have a renewed appreciation for the simple things and find a joy that may have been missed, overlooked or otherwise unappreciated before. You will be a greater witness to those who will need you when they are a drift in that sea. "I don't need no one to tell me about heaven, I look at my daughter, and I believe." |
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11-24-2006, 05:21 PM
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| HATE CRIME LEGISLATION | It looked to me like he was really pissed off and used exactly what he thought would equally piss off the people in the audience who were disrespecting him. To stand-up comedians, it's very disrespectful to be talking in the audience - and who knows? Maybe this particular group of people - or person - was laughing and yapping loudly enough to make the disrespect that much worse. If somebody makes me angry enough that I want to rile them up enough to possibly take a swing at me - I'll call them whatever it is that pisses them off the most. If the (whoa is me) "N" word is going to do the job, then I'm going to use it. However, it doesn't make me a racist. I don't hate a whole race because I call somebody a word that pisses them off more than anything else. I seriously doubt this guy is a racist. It would really, really surprise me if he didn't have black friends and had at least a few black people that he looked up to and respected. In that event, he could not possibly be a racist. |
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11-24-2006, 05:24 PM
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| TCP™ Puttin' the P back in Pimp Board Moderator | People confuse racism and predjudices a good bit of the time as well as stereotypes. Racism isn't an easy topic to begin with. A wise man said: Once you come ashore you will have a renewed appreciation for the simple things and find a joy that may have been missed, overlooked or otherwise unappreciated before. You will be a greater witness to those who will need you when they are a drift in that sea. "I don't need no one to tell me about heaven, I look at my daughter, and I believe." |
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11-24-2006, 05:26 PM
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| Ugly Indian  |  "I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gates. Are the liberators here, do I hope or do I fear?" RUSH Red Sector A |
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11-24-2006, 05:28 PM
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| TCP™ Puttin' the P back in Pimp Board Moderator | wow they didn't hesitate. A wise man said: Once you come ashore you will have a renewed appreciation for the simple things and find a joy that may have been missed, overlooked or otherwise unappreciated before. You will be a greater witness to those who will need you when they are a drift in that sea. "I don't need no one to tell me about heaven, I look at my daughter, and I believe." |
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11-25-2006, 11:29 AM
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| Registered User  | everyone over reacted.. He said the wrong thing and then they came back with their own racial remarks... 2 wrongs dont make a right here.. Both Michael Richards and the guys he outed were in the wrong.. Its over and done with. |
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11-26-2006, 08:23 PM
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| Registered User | Kramer in black face. This is real: |
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11-26-2006, 08:46 PM
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| -Dalla Hunga- Board Moderator  | What movie is that from?  "Those Who Would Sacrifice Liberty for Security Deserve Neither." - Benjamin Franklin "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves."- Bertrand de Juvenal |
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11-26-2006, 09:00 PM
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11-26-2006, 09:05 PM
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| Registered User  | I thought it was funny. Words are words and in my opinion if you have a problem with a word you got serious problems. Iv said every name in the book, been called alot of names myself. Cracker, white trash doesnt bother me there WORDS. Since when does a word conflict injury? Oh he said the n word I am scared for life, I need theropy (sp?). Pansies gotta grow up and stop being scared of WORDS 6' 2" 240lbs |
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11-26-2006, 09:12 PM
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| -Dalla Hunga- Board Moderator | Quote:
"Those Who Would Sacrifice Liberty for Security Deserve Neither." - Benjamin Franklin "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves."- Bertrand de Juvenal | |
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11-26-2006, 09:25 PM
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| Registered User | I agree, but the more this plays out the more people will get tired of it and develop and immunity to being 'shocked' by words. I am confused why Richards had to meet with Jesse Jackson. The people in the audience who used the words 'white boy' and 'cracker' didn't feel obligated to meet with David Duke. |
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11-27-2006, 05:22 AM
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| USA HOCKEY  | Michael's career is over. that's fine, he deserves it. This nonsense about sending him to be 're-educated' at a tolerance diversity camp is completely ridiculous. all rappers that promote killing 'white' cops should be sent to tolerance work camp as well if we are going to fully committed to this Maoist vision of society. tolerance summer camp for everyone who might be a racist! the government's effort to eliminate stereotypes is completely absurd |
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