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    I have a serious question and concern??? Why is it as mature and responsible adults we seem to be cowards to our Doctors? We either have a doc who we don't disclose our use to, or even worse we have a doc who does not know his **** from his hand when it comes to serious health related issues, that we might have caused by irresponsible use. How many of Us are really happy with our Doctors, since in essence they work for us, and we need them to correct our problems???

    We are the consumers, and I really urge all of you to find a good doctor you trust and can talk to...

    Sorry bros. carry on, I just see a problem we can correct.

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    I can talk to any doctor. Sometimes I am too open with people.

    I do trust my doctor though. That is very important. Although, I don't really get what you are saying in this thread.
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    I trust my Doc. The first time I went to him I disclosed my previous AAS usage and told him exactly what I took and for how long. I haven't been on AAS in years, but am considering it very seriously. I told my doc this as well. He actully put me on a TRT called Testim. It's a rub on Testosterone. Soon I will be going in for Test injections...it's legal and monitored. I have blood work done every 3 months.
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    Just a rant as I have seen some people take their doctors **** and not do anything about it, all I was saying is that people have a right to get the service they WANT and NEED, and not be scared.
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    funny you say this...i have 5, yes 5 and no one till 2 weeks ago figured out what the hell was wrong with me, and i would demand, ask, plead...just find out why i am sick...and finally.......but having 5 drs at 33yrs old is freaking sad......
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    TC you are trully tough and appreciated, well I will say this in my African American community Once agian generalizing I see it time and time again we are afraid of docors because they have no real answers, because we don't take the time to find a good one with good besd side manner, one you can say i am cycling this take my bloodwork etc. And then i see others asking members here on AM like we are docs? WHy are they not asking there own doctor who is responsible, could it be that they are scared?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    Just a rant as I have seen some people take their doctors **** and not do anything about it, all I was saying is that people have a right to get the service they WANT and NEED, and not be scared.
    I am trying a new doc, I don't trust the old one at all. You tell your doctors that you use performance enhancement ITEMS whether they be legal or not? I was thinking about mentioning that to my doctor, but doesn't that go onto your record and can effect insurance when you get older?
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    which insurance??? if life insurance yes it can but at your age you should be buying whole life right now anyway so it can be drawn against or cashed out at 65, and if you have it now it cannot be canceld by the company unless you dont pay. As for trying to get insurance later if other supps do in fact give you problems than you run the risk of not getting coverage.

    If you have health ins from job, you can mention it to doc, but if it does serious damage you can kiss trying to get more health inurance later goodbye.

    Point is try to get a good doctor who knows what they are talking about so just in case they can monitor you so it does not get out of control...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    TC you are trully tough and appreciated, well I will say this in my African American community Once agian generalizing I see it time and time again we are afraid of docors because they have no real answers, because we don't take the time to find a good one with good besd side manner, one you can say i am cycling this take my bloodwork etc. And then i see others asking members here on AM like we are docs? WHy are they not asking there own doctor who is responsible, could it be that they are scared?

    LOL I told my dr to bite me last week on the phone......I hold nothing back, and never have..i agree find a good dr, I don;t mind that they don;t have all the answers but dont con me.....I hate that , tell me I dont know...and I have more respect..

    thanks for the kind words I am trying, keeping busy helps....
    RIP Ryan, :(
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    Most docs don't know **** and/or don't give a ****. Instead of finding the cause of sickness they give **** load of drugs to you.
    I've changed 5+ docs, still haven't fond good one. I have one health issue and I have to stay on antibiotics 7-8 months out of the year. It's sucks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    I have a serious question and concern??? Why is it as mature and responsible adults we seem to be cowards to our Doctors? We either have a doc who we don't disclose our use to, or even worse we have a doc who does not know his **** from his hand when it comes to serious health related issues, that we might have caused by irresponsible use. How many of Us are really happy with our Doctors, since in essence they work for us, and we need them to correct our problems???

    We are the consumers, and I really urge all of you to find a good doctor you trust and can talk to...

    Sorry bros. carry on, I just see a problem we can correct.
    Funny you post this today, as these thoughts crossed my mind in some way 3 different times in different situations, today.

    I think part of it (the fear of) could be that many Dr.s have inflated heads/egos, and sometimes speak in a condescending manner and/or do not appear to truly listen to what you have to say. I work with Dr.s every single day. There are a few good ones out there, unfortunately most of them are specialists and not PCPs. Even good specialists are hard to find. I have to chase my endocrinologist for weeks (usually 2-4) before I can get him to call me directly... I haven't been pleased with one of my docs since I was a kid, and that was probably cause I didn't know as much as I do now.
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    To be fair to drs, including our own Dr D., society places an undo burden on drs and basically tells us that they can cure all our ills. They can't and no one can..especially the sort of people who do not take their own health seriously. We've elevated the Dr to the status of demigod and that just leads to heartache for everyone.

    Western society wants instant gratification and that comes in the form of a pill or a shot. No one wants to go to the dr and hear that they need to drastically change their lifestyle...eat better, loose weight, excercise in order to get to the heart of their problems. So western med responds by giving the patient what they want..a quick fix and be sent on your way.

    Unfortunately there are more than a few Drs who revel in and take advantage of this societal problem. Some like their demigod persona. Many like the power and status that entails and that's the Dr to avoid. He's the one that talks down to patients, who does not really listen.


    My wife and I went to a naturopath recently and it was an eye opening experience. The ND listened to us for well over an hour and took notes the entire time..like 6 pages of them. She addressed the root of the problem..stress, diet, lifestyle well before talking about supplements (which I had covered already). It was the way a Dr-patient relationship should be IMO.
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    Bioman as always giving good points... I too have been to a ND and he did get me back into the best health at the tender age of 13 and guess what i messed up and went back to being the normal Junk food laden teenager.

    As stated I just want AM members to know they have a right to find that special doctor who can help them, and they do not have to stand for mediocrity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman
    To be fair to drs, including our own Dr D., society places an undo burden on drs and basically tells us that they can cure all our ills. They can't and no one can..especially the sort of people who do not take their own health seriously. We've elevated the Dr to the status of demigod and that just leads to heartache for everyone.

    Western society wants instant gratification and that comes in the form of a pill or a shot. No one wants to go to the dr and hear that they need to drastically change their lifestyle...eat better, loose weight, excercise in order to get to the heart of their problems. So western med responds by giving the patient what they want..a quick fix and be sent on your way.

    Unfortunately there are more than a few Drs who revel in and take advantage of this societal problem. Some like their demigod persona. Many like the power and status that entails and that's the Dr to avoid. He's the one that talks down to patients, who does not really listen.


    My wife and I went to a naturopath recently and it was an eye opening experience. The ND listened to us for well over an hour and took notes the entire time..like 6 pages of them. She addressed the root of the problem..stress, diet, lifestyle well before talking about supplements (which I had covered already). It was the way a Dr-patient relationship should be IMO.

    good idea, maybe its time to go that route again, cant hurt right?
    RIP Ryan, :(
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    I'd definitely try it if I were you. Like you said, can't hurt and maybe an ND can shed light into areas that the MD's missed.

    Try to find one with some endocrinology experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    I have a serious question and concern??? Why is it as mature and responsible adults we seem to be cowards to our Doctors? We either have a doc who we don't disclose our use to, or even worse we have a doc who does not know his **** from his hand when it comes to serious health related issues, that we might have caused by irresponsible use. How many of Us are really happy with our Doctors, since in essence they work for us, and we need them to correct our problems???

    We are the consumers, and I really urge all of you to find a good doctor you trust and can talk to...

    Sorry bros. carry on, I just see a problem we can correct.
    Doctors are obligated to report things like that to insurance companies. People don't disclose to keep their insurance reasonable.

    Imagine getting insurance as an AAS user.

    Plus, doctors don't know anyway. Doctors shouldn't give nutritional or fitness advice IMHO, b/c they know relatively little--and what I find even more surprising...actually drives me absolutely mad, is that a group of people with 8 years of intense science background would so easily fall victim to 'common knowledge' myths like they do with nutrtion and fitness.If they learned anything in those 8 years, they should have learned how to think for themselves...
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    I said it before that despite doctor-patient confidentiality that if you reveal steroid use your doctor, that fact might stay on your medical record forever, since the doctor is employed by the hmo and is thus obligated to document it.

    Then your health insurance, present/future employer, credit companies, lawyers (through subpoenas) can get their grubby hands on it. Your secret file in the mib (medical record) contains such sensitive information like pursuit in risky sports, driving habits (long hours, tired, dui) etc.

    The only way out is to retain another doctor you see just for steroid consultations and blood testing, pay in cash, use a pseudonym.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman
    I'd definitely try it if I were you. Like you said, can't hurt and maybe an ND can shed light into areas that the MD's missed.

    Try to find one with some endocrinology experience.
    thanks I def will, along with someone who is experienced with the immune system....seems like a tall order? my goal right now is to keep the thyroid issue at stage 2, and not spread to other areas as well as to stage 3,4......while keeping my lupus in check.....when I sit and think about it, i don;t know it just seems like it cant be done......but one day at a time
    RIP Ryan, :(
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