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    Shock And Awe


    It has begun! Enjoy, and remember, you reap what you sow.

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    shock and awe indeed
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    Iraq is getting rocked!

    Watching the live movies on MSNBC.... don't mess with the U.S.

    QUote "The palace has been eliminated. 30 or 40 cruise missles have come in, one building after another are going down."
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    are you guys all ****ing crazy?

    you treat that as a joke. it is not sth. you can be proud of. a lot of innocent people are dying there right now and an already destroyed country is even destroyed more. just imagine you would live for over ten years under sanctions without enough food, money, and then this **** is happening again. think of how scared you would be and how your future will look like.

    this is not a computer game, even though it looks like this on tv which isn't right. they should show all the wounded people on tv to make everybody clear what is going on.


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    We should have tried diplomacy more, we didn't exhaust that avenue IMO. It's only been what, 2-3 weeks we gave Hussein to disarm? BTW, you know he sent scuds up this morning. Are you aware he told UN inspectors he had none?
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    Originally posted by Smiler51
    . just imagine you would live for over ten years under sanctions without enough food, money, and then this **** is happening again.
    smiler51
     

    yeah the point of this whole thing is so that **** DOESN't happen anymore.  There was a guy who was the cause of all the iraqi's struggle, famine, poverish ways...damn i can't remember his name...oh yeah.   saddam hussein thats it

     

    Just remember, we have given these people more then enought time to surrender willingly....we are not just shooting everyone...we are hitting strategic targets...if there are civillians that stayed in the middle of baghdad, then who knows wtf they were thinking anyway. 

     

    lets say a war came to american soil...where would they hit..... washington DC..ok so if i lived there....id leave...if i couldnt afford trasportation, id steal a damn horse or bike..or walk ....id be out..........everyone has that opportunity as well.  Yes civilians die, thats IS part of war.  and it is a sad part of war.  but more importantly unavoidable.

     

    i just have this last thing to say

     
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    oops  here

     ok its not working..how do i get a zip file on here..

     

     
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    last try
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    Originally posted by scotty2
    We should have tried diplomacy more, we didn't exhaust that avenue IMO. It's only been what, 2-3 weeks we gave Hussein to disarm? BTW, you know he sent scuds up this morning. Are you aware he told UN inspectors he had none?
     

    exactly......did anyone really expect this guy to "come clean" all of a sudden? 

     

     
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    Originally posted by Smiler51
    are you guys all ****ing crazy?

    you treat that as a joke. it is not sth. you can be proud of. a lot of innocent people are dying there right now and an already destroyed country is even destroyed more. just imagine you would live for over ten years under sanctions without enough food, money, and then this **** is happening again. think of how scared you would be and how your future will look like.
    Go away, troll. Apparently you missed the thousands of dead and wounded that we saw on 9/11/2001.

    An "already destroyed country"? How do you think it got that way, Einstein? Why do you think there were sanctions? Open your eyes, troll.

    And you have the nerve to talk about future. Tell that to terrorism victims. Tell that to the citizens of Iraq whose family members were tortured and killed.
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    Originally posted by 2demon2


    Go away, troll. Apparently you missed the thousands of dead and wounded that we saw on 9/11/2001.

    An "already destroyed country"? How do you think it got that way, Einstein? Why do you think there were sanctions? Open your eyes, troll.

    And you have the nerve to talk about future. Tell that to terrorism victims. Tell that to the citizens of Iraq whose family members were tortured and killed.
    He may have gone to find a tree to hug
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    Originally posted by 2demon2


    Go away, troll. Apparently you missed the thousands of dead and wounded that we saw on 9/11/2001.

    An "already destroyed country"? How do you think it got that way, Einstein? Why do you think there were sanctions? Open your eyes, troll.

    And you have the nerve to talk about future. Tell that to terrorism victims. Tell that to the citizens of Iraq whose family members were tortured and killed.
    BUMPITY BUMP, I'd add more but demon took care of it, enough said.
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    Hussein has had over ten years to disarm. We just finally got a President who has the balls to not play his little cat and mouse games. Also, smiley, if you would take a closer look all the targets that the US is hitting are strategic we are not carpet bombing Iraq. The lights are still on in residential Iraq, Saddam and his regime are the targets. Saddam has killed more Iraqians than the US has or will.

    I usually keep quiet on issues such as this but this war is not against the Iraqian people and I'm tired of idiots that say we are killing civilians on purpose. Sure some civilians will get injured or killed but we are not targeting them, if that was our mission we could of killed every Iraqian in one night. The innocent people that are caught in this war I do feel sympathy for.

    You are right about Iraq being destroyed. If Saddam was a leader of any value why didnt he disarm and get the sanctions lifted so he could start rebuilding his country? I'll tell you why, because he is still living in a posh environment and he doesnt have to see his people living without enough food or medicine. Saddam could have stopped the sanctions at any time but he didn't.

    I recently had the oppurtunity to talk with some Iraq immigrants(more like refugees) here and they are more for this war than we are.

    A muslim is supposed to fight and die for what they beleive in, if we are so unjust than why are many Iraqi soldiers surrendering, many surrendered before we started bombing.
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    He has had 12 years to disarm. There aren't as many innocent people dieing as you may think. That's why they are called smart bombs. It's not like the days of WWII, and Vietnam when we used to carpet bomb the area. I'm sure most Iraqi's are smart enough not stand next to a military or gov't building while bombs are dropping. Perhaps you aren't.
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    In my opinion, the objectives of this overall campaign should be clear and obvious at this point. I only pray all of the aid can be dispersed in an immediate and useful fashion to the long suffering people of Iraq (and that certainly looks to be the case). Most everything in this world operates in shades of grey, there are almost no absolute black and whites... pragmatists realize the cost/benefit ratio of this war is appropriate, and quite frankly, tree huggers can **** off. People who support combat in this instance most often do it for the right reasons, and are not war-mongering blood thirsty savages. Rather, it is arguable that they are opting for a quicker, more immediate and appropriate "peace" for the world community. The only real negative was that it took the horrible catalyst of 9-11 to motivate the US to act in these regards. There is an ideal world, and there is the real world... you can conveniently choose to live in an ideal world, as you are being protected by those who choose to live in the real, and see things for how they are, rather than how you would like them to be. Until universal instantaneous pacifism is adopted, war will continue to be an unfortunate eventuality. It is sad that there are those among us who cannot see the greater picture. Take pity on the fools, because they know no better.
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    in response to the aid being sent...i believe USA has sent over 200,000 tons of wheat and rice. While it might now be a gourmet meal, it sure as hell beats eating nothing.

    I'm sick and tired of "anti-war" protesting already. Its all these college kids that have no idea of what they are protesting for.....lets protest cause its en vogue....go do some reasearch on the kind of man hussein is...go look at some of the posts ww7 posted....check out pictures of the thousands of innocent kurds that the Iraqi regime decided to throw some bio/chem weapons on......once you see the pics of mothers clenching their children while laying on the ground dead..maybe you would change your mind....check out the torturing methods of the same regime, posted by amnesty international..

    i mean c'mon people wake up and smell the mustard gas....its there.

    dont protest this war and just say its wrong to kill people...war is bad...blah blah....thats just ignorant...especially these celebs that open their mouth..susan surandon...stf up and go home to your butler or something.......

    now everyone has said the same thing..and i had mentioned it earlier.........unlike 91 this war is 90% "smart bombs" and 10% "chuck and pray" ....they haven't even used bombs other then smart bombs yet (at least i dont believe)......

    ABout the civilians though, i think there were about 5 that were injured....no reported civial casualties...to my knowledge anyway.

    this war is something that needed to happen plain and simple...would you rather have waited till they had tons and tons of weapons of mass destruction..then go in and take them out..i think not

    its way past due

    i wish i could get that zip file loaded here....good song called "have you forgotten"..made recently. if someone can help me with this, i think its worth listening to

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    Also if innocents die it in a way there own fault. America has dropped tens of thousands of fliers about how to stay away from bombs. ALso there are 100+ reporters in Bagdad alone, there are areas of the city left untouched. Most of the government buildings destroyed today are most likely empyt. It was a show of force by America.
    Letting them know if they continue to fight next time they may not let you know where the bombs will drop, or they will simply obliterate everything. Today was a safe day for civilians and soldiers in Bagdad alike.
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    Originally posted by elijah_123
    Also if innocents die it in a way there own fault. America has dropped tens of thousands of fliers about how to stay away from bombs. ALso there are 100+ reporters in Bagdad alone, there are areas of the city left untouched. Most of the government buildings destroyed today are most likely empyt. It was a show of force by America.
    Letting them know if they continue to fight next time they may not let you know where the bombs will drop, or they will simply obliterate everything. Today was a safe day for civilians and soldiers in Bagdad alike.
     

    exactly..
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    I agree with you all except the portestors bit--the whole point of freeing the iraqi's from the clutches of hussein is teh "freeing" part--
    Protesting is integral to our nation, our freedoms--look back at the boston tea party, suffragists, the civil rights movements--all more jsutified protests than those going on now, but those protesting now have a right, a freedom, and that right is what those soldiers fight for--

    good luck to all our serivcemen--kick some ass!!!
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    theres nothing wrong with protesting......just know what the hell your talking about........ If you want to protest against the war fine, but your reasoning should NOT just be "all war is bad".....i mean damn.

    personally i have nothing wrong with protesting, **** im about to protest if ph's get banned

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    good point
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    In total agreeance with hamper, most of these protestors are protesting because its en vogue. Ive been watching the news MSNBC and it seems like most Iraqi's want us there.

    "We're very happy... Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) is a butcher," said a man in the back of a pickup truck, identifying himself only as Abdullah. A woman fell at the feet of the Americans and embraced them.

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    Don't forget thouands of iraqi people are starving...mainly due to the fact saddam has taken the "food for oil program" and turned it into his own way of finaceing his war machine....the nazis did the same thing.
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    Originally posted by dez/null
    Don't forget thouands of iraqi people are starving...mainly due to the fact saddam has taken the "food for oil program" and turned it into his own way of finaceing his war machine....the nazis did the same thing.
     

    Finally someone else sees it that way also.  Tons of people think we are responsible for the people starving.
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    MOAB?

     

     
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    That IS the MOAB! I stand corrected. Here is the link bro:

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...tions/moab.htm

    I was under the impression that it looked like the Daisy Cutter but it is not!
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    Originally posted by Smiler51
    are you guys all ****ing crazy?

    you treat that as a joke. it is not sth. you can be proud of. a lot of innocent people are dying there right now and an already destroyed country is even destroyed more. just imagine you would live for over ten years under sanctions without enough food, money, and then this **** is happening again. think of how scared you would be and how your future will look like.
    Think of how it feels to be ruled by an iron-fisted dictator hell bent on killing his own people and doing all that he can to keep in power. A man who has "weapons of mass destruction", and who hates America. These weapons of mass destruction could, at his will, be used against us to take out one of our major cities killing hundreds of thousands of people.

    Saddam Hussein wouldn't even bat an eyelid at the prospects of killing innocent people.

    We are trying our best to prevent such civilian casualties. There is bound to be a few, but we are trying our best to prevent them. There are some things you just have to do.


    And as for all of the suffering Iraqi people, that have been suppressed for all these years. Do you really think they are complaining at the prospects of a democracy? Do you really think they are complaining at the prospects of finally having the freedom to do things they would be shot at for even thinking of doing? If you and I were in Iraq, and you made such a post to a message board, going against your own country, you we be dead. You would never have the chance to read my words, as the army would be at your house dragging your cold, bloody corpse out of the room as your blood drips all over the carpet. Alot of us take our freedoms for granted, I for one am guilty of this in the past. But now I see the error of my ways.


    God Bless our Troops over in Iraq, my prayers are with you.

    God Bless America. Let's roll....
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    yeah man...moab is insane....

    I would think it would be mainly used on mine fields, or in the desert where large unsurrendering Iraqi troops are.

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    i'm quite impressed by the peace protests that turn violent....quite a concept....
    another thing, how about them bag of **** democrat representatives that went to baghdad in the fall of last year? ofcourse they were taken to hospitals just to see how bad us americans are for not providing medicine and food for dying children...it goes on and on...they talked **** about OUR PRESIDENT in baghdad...what the **** were they thinking? course you sure don't hear from them anymore...and the dems wonder why the republicans control congress now...

    smiler51, yep this war is soooo wrong...you must be a spineless democrat yourself...just think of all the meals that are prepared each day for sadaam in all his palaces just to make intelligence think he may be there...all the while he's got his own people starving in parts of his country....yeah, it's all our fault...


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    Well BigAl, I happen to be a registered democrat myself, and I wouldn't exactly consider myself "spineless". I have been on and off again about supporting action in Iraq, but NOT because my party says so. Not everyone follows the herd brother
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    hell bro, that's not what i was getting at....i didn't mean that as a "collective comment" at all....i just really get frustrated at times...kinda wish we didn't have a "partied" government sometimes....and i get really pissed when i hear **** like smiler51 threw on here...i've got family over there right now and to have him want to blame us for ****, hell i just would love to choke the bastard....
    i'm a republican but i don't always vote that way....if bush were to get beat in the next election, i hope for our sake someone like lieberman or gephardt gets in there...they are good people who aren't afraid to take a not so popular stance at times....
    so, i'm sorry if i offended you at all...certainly wasn't intended, just spoutin' off...........al
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    Well when we find the WMD's, all I will say is I told ya so! It is sad it came to this, but needed to be done long ago!
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    unfortunately, alot of the more vocal democrats are spineless and they give the whole party a bad name. i may not agree with some of their positions but i believe by and large they are as patriotic as anybody.

    what smiler51 doesnt seem to understand is not only has Saddam murdered his own people and poses a threat to us, but if he remained in power who knows how many more would die...i'd bet many more than will be killed in this war. also, where were these folks back in '98 when daschale supported clinton who was saying that we needed to force saddam out of power....all these folks didnt seem to protes then...but of course, clinton didnt have balls enuf to do anything about it. he was too busy usin 'em for somethin else.

    saddam has lied to the world for 12 years now...i'd bet has harbored God knows how many terrorists and no telling what else he's done we done know about.

    it jus frosts my ass to think we are trying to do the right thing, some 65% of Americans think we are doin the right thing with this war and all we hear about are the protestors....why not instead thank our soldiers who are making this work and showing the world America will stand behind her words and commitments.

    sorry about the length of this...and rants over
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    ww7...were'd you get your avatar? man that is one of the coolest i've ever seen bro..
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    Originally posted by windwords7
    Comparison....
    I thought the majority of the bombs being used are JDAMs..
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    There are a lot of JDAM's But the MOAB is over there.
  

  
 

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