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- 08-10-2005, 11:48 PM
I figured, I'm all over the East Coast (and Iceland).
I'm sure VA has 'better' guns laws than DC or MD. Ultimately I'd need the gun in Florida - so I suppose it's best to buy it here.
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08-11-2005, 12:05 AM
Yeah, but since the front of opposition between the governing powers and the populace has moved from "kill or be killed" to brainwashing the populace into better slavehood, the guns serve more to put people into a state of delusory safety from "the oppressor". Yes I'm a Canadian without a gun, but I do observe social/economic/political interactions very attentively, both here and south of the border... For what it's worth.Originally Posted by CDB
Take for example, the ban on prohormones : most people believe this is the government protecting them. SNORT. Same thing with so many things. When their rights dwindle to nothing in some years, they will still believe everything happens for their own best interest. Guns won't help them then. Independence of mind would. Not implying that owning a gun is a mark of not having independence of mind or anything. The big Bee dude is my bro too, you know. Even though this nick is new...
08-11-2005, 12:10 AM
08-11-2005, 12:55 AM
Desert Eagle is more of a novelty gun it has no real world purpose except for sayingOriginally Posted by LakeMountD
i have a desert eagle and shooting it at the range its way to big and what i have read
that it isnt all that relaible. Lots of articles about that.
"Post some pictures of them if you can guys. I was thinking of getting a Glock Compact as well.
But I was thinking of getting a 9mm. Not really sure what I want, either that or a Beretta (like
I shot with in the military)." Id go with a .45 makes bigger holes. Both are quality guns that
you can get reletivly cheap. My first pistol is gonna be either.
ParaOrdinace Carry 12
or a Hk USP
I already have an M4.
Me Shooting a Mac-9
08-11-2005, 01:21 AM
Florida Gun Law
The State of Florida has a waiting period on handgun sales. It's either five or ten days, I forget which. You can obtain a concealed weapons license in Florida. The process is pretty easy, there's a one day "class" held at gun shows/retailers, mail in certificate and app with fees and license is issued in ninety days.
08-11-2005, 01:32 AM
Originally Posted by FOCUS
State law requires a 3-day waiting period for all handgun sales by licensed dealers. Counties may extend the waiting period to 5-days and apply it to long guns and sales by non-licensed dealers at gun shows and flea markets. The waiting period is used by law enforcement to run a criminal background check to make sure the gun buyer is not prohibited from acquiring firearms. The waiting period also serves as a "cooling off" period to help prevent crimes of passion.
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08-11-2005, 07:49 AM
I've been shot.Originally Posted by CDB
Twice in the left shoulder.
I still don't see the need for handguns unless you are mixed up with some very bad people which I was at the time and why I still have my gun from THOSE days.
The average person, I don't think, requires a hand gun.
This, I think, is just one of those fundamental differences between Canadians and Americans. Nothing wrong with it but I just don't understand the fascination is all.
Edit: Oh, and it's "eh". But thanks for trying to be a complete and utter ignorant tool by trying to start something between Canadians and Americans. I was simply posting to enquire why the fascination.
08-11-2005, 08:08 AM
USMC Rules For Gunfighting
>1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your
>friends who have guns.
>2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is
>3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.
>4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough
>nor using cover correctly.
>5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and
>diagonal movement are preferred.)
>6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a
>friend with a long gun.
>7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or
>tactics. They will only remember who lived.
>8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, or
>9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more
>dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.
>9.5. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel
>pisses in the flintlock of your musket."
>10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to
>beat you to death with it because it is empty.
>11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
>12. Have a plan.
>13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.
>14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
>15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
>16. Don't drop your guard.
>17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.
>18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep
>your hands where I can see them).
>19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
>20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.
>21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
>22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
>23. Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment
>avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
>24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not
>start with a "4."
>Navy Rules For Gunfighting
>1. Go to Sea
>2. Send the Marines
>3. Drink Coffee
08-11-2005, 10:13 AM
08-11-2005, 10:38 AM
Nah. It just so happened that you, I, BigVrunga, John Benz, Iron Warrior, Matthew D and JonBlaze (is he still around) often ended up in the same threads again and again. In my first nick. Which doesn't say "banned" under the nickname, but which cannot access the board. Same with the second. And here I am with my third nickname, trying to keep my posts as dull as possible (was kinda like CrazyOtter at some point, got some people really annoyed I guess) and I again have the pleasure of your informative and intelligent postings. Like Vrunga. We end up in the same threads a lot.Originally Posted by Beelzebub
Wish I could take my first avatar again tough. :|
That's a nice M4, one of my favourites. I also love the Desert Eagle .50. Great damage. They are just about my favorite combo of weapoins : silenced M4 and Deagle as backup. Of course, the only time I've ever used them was for a good game of Counterstrike... The bullets aren't really painful but the rest is so realistic...
08-11-2005, 10:42 AM
08-11-2005, 12:14 PM
Just remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people. A lot of folks out there who own guns and have no respect for life, or common sence for that matter. Not that I'm speaking of anyone here.Originally Posted by houseman
08-11-2005, 12:17 PM
Used to think this way too. And for the most part, it's correct.Originally Posted by Cuffs
However, time it takes to fire a gun vs. time is takes to stab or beat person enough for them to die?
With a gun you don't get a second chance. With your fists or even a knife... you got time to wake up before the damage is really done.
So yeah, people kill people but guns make it a whole lot easier and a lot more convenient.
08-11-2005, 12:21 PM
I definitely agree, from an engineering and manufacturing standpoint...but what are you REALLY gonna do with a handgun that weighs 10 lbs unloaded? It's basically cool for movies and as a novelty item.Originally Posted by LakeMountD
My top 3 handguns are the Sig P226, Colt Python, and Beretta 96 Brigadier:
08-11-2005, 12:22 PM
If my life, or the life of someone I love is in danger, then I would much rather be armed with a gun to finish the threat as quick as possible, so there is minimal chance for injury. If an attacker chooses to bring a knife to a gun fight, or whatever his weapon of choice is, then may he pay the consequences. May sound harsh, but this is a harsh world we live in. I plan on living it out as long as I can.Originally Posted by houseman
08-11-2005, 12:25 PM
08-11-2005, 12:30 PM
The gun helps and believe me - I say that as a gun owner.Originally Posted by Cuffs
That's definitely true - there is almost no one out there who REQUIRES a handgun (obviously except for L/E and such), but it's still one's RIGHT to own it if you wish - with certain restrictions that vary from state to state. Beelze got his firearm in VA by showing 2 forms of ID and waiting 5 minutes for a background check to complete. Very different story in NJ where I had to submit 2 applications to my local PD, get fingerprinted, wait 3 months for the state police background check to complete, and yet ANOTHER background check done at the point of sale. Go to CA or MA and what I went through looks like a walk in the park.Originally Posted by houseman
Just trying to put some things into perspective.
08-11-2005, 12:42 PM
Agreed, noone requires a weapon. However......Originally Posted by BigP0ppa3
Those intending harm to others are not concerned about the law and registering firearms. They will obtain firearms regardless of what the law might say. Therefore, law abiding citizens may want to consider owning and knowing how to use a firearm. This should be done within the law. Individuals should know how to shoot, maintain, and carry their firearm in a legal and safe manner.
08-11-2005, 12:43 PM
I chose my former life as a teen. I accept that consequence and fate.Originally Posted by Cuffs
I'm sorry you live in such an area the requires that level of protection.
Best of luck to ya there! Be safe.
08-11-2005, 12:46 PM
I'm a law obiding citizen but I have a beef with my neighbour. Found him ****ing around with my wife.
So I drive across state lines ot VA where I only had to produce 2 forms of ID and waiting 5 minutes for a background check to complete. I drive back over to my state, find me neighbour and shoot him.
My purchase and ownership was done in a legal manner and before this incident I was a law obiding citizen.
Seems pretty ****ed up to me to have different sets of rules to determine who is and who isn't law obiding
08-11-2005, 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by houseman
but for the majority of the time, this isn't the case. i find it laughable that i should wait to be a victim, cross my fingers that it won't happen, when i could just as easily arm myself and be ready for whatever.
the guy in your story could just as easily arm himself and be ready for mr. jealous husband. fwiw, if a guy is ****ing around with another guys wife, he should expect a reaction. is death the answer? no, but in a perfect world, he wouldn't be messing around with the dude's wife anyway.
again, i understand your point, i just don't agree.
08-11-2005, 12:59 PM
Fanaticals usually don'tOriginally Posted by Beelzebub
I don't care one way or another. I can see both points but I am open enough to realize there seems to be more problems with everyone having the ability to arm themselves then selected few doing it.
I guess the US is just a very voilent place? I've spent some time in a few seedy places here in Toronto and Vancouver and never felt the need to arm myself for fear of being robbed, beated or worse. Not since my younger days at least. But that's very different to the a-typical person I think.
Not flaming at all eh? Just really trying to understand the whole reasoning. Seems like a valid reason on the surface to protect yourself before someone else gets to you but if that's the reality of your environment than it WOULD seem that the US is indeed, highly violent compared to other nations?
08-11-2005, 01:03 PM
i'm fanatical for wanting to protect my wife and myself? that's new. i suppose it would be more reasonable to be shot in my own home and my wife raped and beaten to death.Originally Posted by houseman
yes, the world is violent and dangerous. flip on CNN sometime and see for yourself.
08-11-2005, 01:05 PM
and yes, the chances are it won't happen to you or anyone you know. like i said before, i'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have one.
08-11-2005, 01:07 PM
You lost the point I was tryng to make with the fanatical statement.Originally Posted by Beelzebub
Looks liek I am starting to offend so I'll butt out. Congrats on your purchase though. I do enjoy going to the range for a nice shooting session
08-11-2005, 01:08 PM
not offended bro. just trying to explain my train of thought.
the last thing i want to do is be a victim.
08-11-2005, 01:14 PM
I am with you 100% - we are in violent agreementOriginally Posted by Beelzebub
Obviously, if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns...
House, sorry I dont think I was clear when I was talking about different state laws. In this scenario if you're not FROM VA you can't drive there to buy a gun with more ease than your home state. Basically, if I wanted to shoot my neighbor in NJ, I'd have to wait a couple of months to cap his ass "legally".Originally Posted by houseman
08-11-2005, 01:15 PM
Ok. but the concept still applies.Originally Posted by BigP0ppa3
State in your home state and do it if oyu live in VA
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