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Pope Says Harry Potter is bad for Children...

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Mrs. Gimpy

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the world's current pope really thinks that Harry Potter is bad for the minds of children. He believes that it has subliminal messages etc, and it will make the path to god alittle hazy for those young innocents. LMAO:rofl: what is the world coming to? children like evil harry potter.....!!!
 
Yeah, now that's just a little bit "crazy".

Harry potter is just a fun fantasy flick for kids! (and book)

I hope this guy doesn't turn out to be a total psycho of a pope.
 
I disagree with you.
The reasoning behind it being "bad" for kids is that it encourages/galmourizes witch craft, paganism, etc. While I do not think it is necessarily bad for kids, I could certainly understand why religious leaders have concern.


The introduction of an idea can lead to the practice.
 
size said:
I disagree with you.
The reasoning behind it being "bad" for kids is that it encourages/galmourizes witch craft, paganism, etc. While I do not think it is necessarily bad for kids, I could certainly understand why religious leaders have concern.


The introduction of an idea can lead to the practice.
True, but IMHO, if the parents cannot teach their kids that its simply fantasy and for fun, then maybe the parents need a bit of help. :eek:

I don't think children reading/watching harry potter, given respnosible parents, poses a significant danger to christianity or any danger at all.
 
BodyWizard said:
If 'Harry Potter' is an introduction to witchcraft, then 'Gilligan's Island' is a course in seamanship
lol i dont know....some peoples kids DO have issues....maybe we shouldnt let some kids watch gilligans island....

if children today are really that ignorant and susceptible to "strange" influences to where harry potter would really "affect their christianity" than those kids are mentally challenged as it is and if they are going to get affected by harry potter at that age then just wait until that little boogers a teen....
 
The thing is your kids HAVE to be able to seperate fact and fantasy..lucky my two are very very capable of doing that..
 
Mrs. Gimpy said:
if children today are really that ignorant and susceptible to "strange" influences to where harry potter would really "affect their christianity" than those kids are mentally challenged as it is and if they are going to get affected by harry potter at that age then just wait until that little boogers a teen....
For so many kids these days the 'strangest' influence in their lives come from their parents and home lives. Their sense of discernment has been so diluted that they have lost all sense. The slopes of the curve drop off very sharply down both sides.

Black is turning white, white is turning black, truths are accepted as lies and lies are accepted as truth.

Stand for something or you'll fall for anything.
 
B5150 said:
For so many kids these days the 'strangest' influence in their lives come from their parents and home lives. Their sense of discernment has been so diluted that they have lost all sense. The slopes of the curve drop off very sharply down both sides.
true and nicely written, but bluntly, if your child is so STUPID:blink: to get that influenced by a fictional work, than harry potter is THE LEAST of your worries....
 
Mrs. Gimpy said:
if your child is so STUPID:blink: to get that influenced by a fictional work, than harry potter is THE LEAST of your worries....
My child has parents that are involved in their lives. I know what my kids watch, where they go, who they go with. I am a minority in that aspect. My kids friends are jealous of them because their Dad actually 'demonstrates' his parental skills by being involved in their lives. They actually wish that at least one of their parents showed an interest.

Every kid is 'influenced' by everything that they come into contact with. Regardless...there is an influence.

Careful little eyes what you see
Careful little feet where you walk
Careful little ears what you hear

What we live we learn
What we learn we practice
What we practice we become
What we become has consequences
 
I don't care one iota what the Pope thinks about pretty much anything, but Harry Potter IS evil.

No wait...

I meant gay... not evil...



LOL


And, in this day and time if anyone is counting on a 'typical' parent to actually do much in the 'raising' and 'rearing' of their child(ren)... then I think that person is the one living in a fantasy.
 
I say pedophile Catholic priests are bad for children, so a fictional fantasy book isn't even in the same league. I am neither anti-Catholic or anti-Pope. This is just a fact.
 
5150, I don't think she was meaning your kids.. and I am like you.. but at the same time, the more time you spend with your kids the less likely that something would come from the kids reading...
 
Matthew D said:
5150, I don't think she was meaning your kids.. .
No I don't think so either. I was making a general statement. Not directed at or attacking you Mrs. Gimpy.
 
milwood said:
I say pedophile Catholic priests are bad for children, so a fictional fantasy book isn't even in the same league. I am neither anti-Catholic or anti-Pope. This is just a fact.
Surely pedophilia is not exclusive to Catholic priests. But the media exploitation of it has become such. I'm niether pro-Catholic or pro-Pope. I am pro-active... ;)

EDIT: I am Provolone but remain Antipasto
 
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shootmeagain said:
And, in this day and time if anyone is counting on a 'typical' parent to actually do much in the 'raising' and 'rearing' of their child(ren)... then I think that person is the one living in a fantasy.
Kids are counting on us to be atypical...whether they know it or we aspire to it. We have allowed the standard to deminish to what it has become now. They will follow the lead.

Then again I could have been fantasizing :think:
 
I wasn't thinking your were talking about me, most of the time if you are... you do call me by name ;) but seriously, this whole thing is BE A PARENT.. can't stand the fact that there are many parents out there that think that they have to be the child's buddy..
 
Matthew D said:
BE A PARENT.. can't stand the fact that there are many parents out there that think that they have to be the child's buddy..

:goodpost:

i see that crap all the time and it really annoys me. at the slightest bit of whining, the majority of parents give in to the kids wants.
 
Matthew D said:
I wasn't thinking your were talking about me, most of the time if you are... you do call me by name ;) but seriously, this whole thing is BE A PARENT.. can't stand the fact that there are many parents out there that think that they have to be the child's buddy..
I had a convo with my 17 and 15 year olds this weekend. I told them (paraphrased): Most times I will suck. I have a job to do and it ain't to make your life a party. I suck...get used to it. I have.
 
My qualm is that people in general are very quick to write things off like what the pope said as just plain stupid, crazy or both. But when the time comes that our children screw up and emulate something they see on tv, videogames, from friends, movies or books, it is the same people who will blame everyone of those things instead of taking the responsibility themselves. So you cant have it both ways. Liek B says, step up and be a parent.
 
I know what you mean 5150, I have to have that conversation with my 11 year daughter way to often.. I love 6th graders ;)
 
Notice that there are more "how to be a parent" type commercials on now? If you ever listen to what they say, it'll make you sick to think that we need this type of info... it seems self-evident and obvious.

Things like, "Talk to your children" and "It's not wrong to know where your kids are" and "If you child has a drug problem, you should say something."

Duh!
 
Matthew D said:
I know what you mean 5150, I have to have that conversation with my 11 year daughter way to often.. I love 6th graders ;)
6th Grade Matt? Ouch! :) But, the fun has just begun.....:rofl: I remember when I was in sixth grade....*sigh; hangs head*
 
I have to remind mine from time to time: I'm your father, and I WILL do what that job requires, and your liking it is secondary - get used to it!

'Course, she's in Boston for orientation as we speak - more of a grown-up than her mother, bless 'er....

That said: I've read all the Harry Potter books (including the new one) and I find absolutely nothing to be concerned about in them. The "magic" is all total fantasy, but there's a wealth of positive lessons to be gleaned from them. I think Rowling is to be congradulated: if more parents read 'em, they might stand a better chance of speaking a language their kids understand.

Plus, they're crackin' good reads...but if non-stop, wall-to-wall Biblical indoctrination is your cup of tea, you'll probably have your kids reading the 'Left Behind' series, instead; might as well give 'em Stephen King, IMO....
 
I agree with Beelz on the majority of parents not doing their job. I get many phone calls from parents asking why their little perfect angel is getting an F in Physical Education. It sure can't be their child's fault it must be my fault for setting high standards and holding accountable for not meeting those standards after I have offered help during lunch and after school at times.
 
BodyWizard said:
That said: I've read all the Harry Potter books (including the new one) and I find absolutely nothing to be concerned about in them. The "magic" is all total fantasy, but there's a wealth of positive lessons to be gleaned from them. I think Rowling is to be congradulated: if more parents read 'em, they might stand a better chance of speaking a language their kids understand.
To the credit of the book, I will say that I may be biased by what Hollywood conjures up in their interpretation of those fantacies into images. The innocent young minds fantacy imagery and the adult Hollywood manufactured imagery can be quite contrast. It is in the contrast that the 'innocence' of the fantacies can be lost...IMO

You're young enough to remember the BW (no punn intended) version of The Wizard of Oz. Well a while back they came out with the colorized version. My stepdad at the age of 60 or so had yet to even see the BW version. SO I went out a bought it and thought we could have a 'family viewing' of it. Now had at the time a 16, 14 and 3 year old. I thought that, to my recollection, it would be 'family viewer friendly'. I mean after all I saw it as a kid of 4-5 or so and did so time and time again during those times of the year when it would run. I do not recall, though, viewing it 'with' my parents.

Well shortly into the story, as I'm sure most recall, Dorothy has befriended the Tin Man, The Cowardly Lion and the Scare Crow and they are on their way 'following the yellow-brick-road'. I cannot recall exactly the chronology, but the enter into the woods ('lions and tigers and spooks oh my'). Shorty down the yellow brick road into the woods, the Wicked Witch of the West comes from out of nowhere and starts shooting fire balls from the rooftop of a shake at the Scare Crow, putting him on fire. That was some scarey, powerful scene (just to name one).

At that instant I look over at my daughter's eyes-wide-open, taking in all of this. I can see the 'purity and innocence' diluting with the milli-seconds passing. She is entranced by it...fear, shock, awe, whatever. I litterally dive in front of her, as if dodging a bullet to save her life. I tiny bit may have slipped into her recollective imagery system and I regret it still. In some sense I feel like I let her down.

Did my mother approve of me viewing this sort of thing. Were her standards too low. Was she ignorant to it or did she just assume it is "The Wizard of Oz" after all. You know..."follow the yellow brick road" and "we're off to see the wizard" and "there's no place like home".

How many of us still carry some 'phobic fears' that were established in childhood. How many of us have no recollection of why or how they came about. I go back to my:
Careful little eyes what you see

Plus, they're crackin' good reads...but if non-stop, wall-to-wall Biblical indoctrination is your cup of tea, you'll probably have your kids reading the 'Left Behind' series, instead; might as well give 'em Stephen King, IMO....
I go back to my confession regarding Hollywood dramatic interpretation bias. Indeed, reading, regardless, is very good for our kids. We certainly need to be aware of what they are reading as well. I would be happy if they read any of those that you mentioned...just to get their minds working. Yes, it also may make for a level field to open dialogue with our kids were we reading along with them.

Don't know if The Wizard of Oz was a book that was made into a movie. I would guess that there would still be an maintenance of innocence commensurate with the reader's level in that case as well.
 
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Yes there are several Oz books and they are good reads.. really more detailed that the movies could ever be... but that is the case with all the book to movies. I guess I take things a different way, I am very selective on what my kids watch also but at the same time, when we get movies like Wiz of Oz, we talk about the parts that might cause some problems.. and for the most part, we have not had any problems that I have seen, knock wood, but like I said before, you have to be the Parent.. and that is a damn hard job especially with the amount of total crap out there.
 
custom said:
My qualm is that people in general are very quick to write things off like what the pope said as just plain stupid, crazy or both. But when the time comes that our children screw up and emulate something they see on tv, videogames, from friends, movies or books, it is the same people who will blame everyone of those things instead of taking the responsibility themselves. So you cant have it both ways. Liek B says, step up and be a parent.


That may be largely true Custom but I think if the Pope really cared about the welfare of little kids he'd be stating what you said..in essence parents need to do a better job of keeping their kids from being exposed to violence like Grand Theft Auto, to severely criticize the gang culture, to eat and be healthy, have faith, be loving, do good deeds et cetera.

Instead he falls back on a thousand year old tradition of worrying about Pagans..gimme a GDamned break. That right there pretty much highlights how totally out of touch the Vatican is AND that they're worried more about their fanbase than the welfare of the faithful's being.

Besides, Pagans are the least of our worries these days.
 
size said:
I disagree with you.
The reasoning behind it being "bad" for kids is that it encourages/galmourizes witch craft, paganism, etc. While I do not think it is necessarily bad for kids, I could certainly understand why religious leaders have concern.


The introduction of an idea can lead to the practice.

Some people (such as me) consider some of the practices of catholicism much like witch craft. Someone who is not catholic may think many of there practices are bizzarre. Anyone who has a problem with these books needs to step back and take a look at themselves and there parenting skills if threatened by a book. What about people who dont agree with the new testament, that a book to you know. The pope needs to pick and choose battles that are worth fighting. If this country get anymore right-wing religious I am moving to canada:thumbsup:
 
haha...very true.

during an internship of mine back in high school, my co-op read her students (a 2nd grade special ed. class) the first Harry Potter book. it was great...never saw them more excited and involved...
Mrs. Gimpy said:
true and nicely written, but bluntly, if your child is so STUPID:blink: to get that influenced by a fictional work, than harry potter is THE LEAST of your worries....
 
UNDERTAKER said:
Some people (such as me) consider some of the practices of catholicism much like witch craft. Someone who is not catholic may think many of there practices are bizzarre.
If this is your belief, then you should have no concern for what the Pope says.
 
Like anyone should be listening to the leader of a sect of Christianity that lives in a city practically made out of gold. He lives in opulance and grandeur, something that is against everything that Jesus stood for. When he starts emptying the coffers to actually help the poor and misfortunate then maybe he should carry some credibility. The hypocrisy of the Catholic Church is staggering.
 
Sir Foxx said:
The hypocrisy of the Catholic Church is staggering.
What is even more staggering in my mind, it that Catholicism seems like the only religion that is open to degradation by all.

Catholicism does more charity in this world than any other religion. Many love to focus on the negatives and deny the reality that the abundance of good is far beyond the negatives. However, I do not expect one who does not understand the far reaching helping hand of Catholicism to understand.
 
size said:
If this is your belief, then you should have no concern for what the Pope says.
I have concern because he is a power international figure and what he says effects this country. Such a powerful man should be concerned with more important things. He is a like non-elected offical.
 
size said:
What is even more staggering in my mind, it that Catholicism seems like the only religion that is open to degradation by all.

Catholicism does more charity in this world than any other religion. Many love to focus on the negatives and deny the reality that the abundance of good is far beyond the negatives. However, I do not expect one who does not understand the far reaching helping hand of Catholicism to understand.
I grew up semi-catholic that is why I am appauled by alot of what they do. They desserve alot of the critism they get. I do agree with many of there rules, the rules they share with most other religions.
 
Sir Foxx said:
Like anyone should be listening to the leader of a sect of Christianity that lives in a city practically made out of gold. He lives in opulance and grandeur, something that is against everything that Jesus stood for. When he starts emptying the coffers to actually help the poor and misfortunate then maybe he should carry some credibility. The hypocrisy of the Catholic Church is staggering.
this is the best post I have ever seen on am!!!!!
 
Non-elected? Have you ever heard of a 'conclave'? And 'this' country? Do you really think the Pope only worries about the US (or "some" ignorant people who think the world ends there) when he says something? No, he worries about Catholicism.

This is indeed a delicate topic, not much good can come from it.
 
he has to much political sway not to be elected democratically. He is elected by people within the church. We dont have to talk just about this country, you could extend this to the western world and beyond.
 
UNDERTAKER said:
he has to much political sway not to be elected democratically. He is elected by people within the church. We dont have to talk just about this country, you could extend this to the western world and beyond.

Too much political sway? One reason for the conclave is to protect the voting process from political interference.

About the so called opulent wealth, the pope should sell everything, donate a dime to every poor person and end world poverty in single stroke and live like Peter in a fishing boat. Yea thats a good idea.
 
size said:
What is even more staggering in my mind, it that Catholicism seems like the only religion that is open to degradation by all.

You're right, nobody picks on the Jews
:think:
 
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