Read through the entire thing. Tell me what ya think.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/05/23/brain.download/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/05/23/brain.download/index.html
Ever hear of Everquest?"By 2020 Pearson also predicted the creation of a "virtual world" of immersive computer-generated environments in which we will spend increasing amounts of time, socializing and doing business"
Matrix, anyone?
I was going to quote the same thing, but say "Anabolic Minds anyone?"."By 2020 Pearson also predicted the creation of a "virtual world" of immersive computer-generated environments in which we will spend increasing amounts of time, socializing and doing business"
Matrix, anyone?
I would tend to agree with James here, and not just for the Bondian allusion in his name .The human brain is infinitely times more powerful than PS3. Don’t believe that bullshit hype.
This is actually irrelevant since we are talking about computation and not memory storage. Those are two totally different things. I totally agree that the brain has more storage and to tell you the truth I've read articles that the future of memory storage is the use of DNA since the body does it so well. It was something like 1 gram of DNA was equivalent to like 1,000,000 CD's or DVD's or something of storage which is insane.This is old but relevant:
Brain beats all computers
By Roger Dobson
14 September 2003
Forecasters who predicted that computers are poised to become more powerful than the human brain have got it hopelessly wrong.
For the first time, researchers have calculated that the power of a single brain in terms of memory capacity and discovered that it is greater than all the computers ever made.
While even the biggest computer has a capacity of around 10,000,000,000,000 bytes (10 to the power of 12), the human brain has a colossal 10 followed by 8,432 noughts, say the scientists who made the calculations in the journal Brain and Mind.
The researchers, who point out that memory is the foundation of natural intelligence, say that the size of the memory capacity of human brains has been a mystery until now because no one has developed the right mathematical models for working it out.
The number of neurons, or nerve cells, in the brain is known - around 100 billion - and many analysts have used this for the basis of claims that computers will soon be superior to the brain.
But the researchers looked beyond that and used a series of algorithms to work out the total capacity, including the huge number of different neural connections.
Ironically, the discovery could be used to change the way that computers are designed. Instead of adding more bytes, they could mimic the human brain, with more emphasis on connections.
But the "power" of a computer is dependant upon its memory. A processor 1000 times more powerful than Gene is nothing without sufficient memory.
The flying car has been around for a few years, it just isn't practical and there isn't really any infrastructure or "gameplan" for it.I've read that too about using biological structures for computer parts. But in a way that's just admitting defeat to the brain because instead of coming up with something entirely different they're just going to copy it. Either way, if we're still here in 2050 I'd better be seeing a flying car or teleportation or something "far out."
Quoted for truth. The only way a computer will ever be self conscious is if a brain is actually connected to a computer. Like Beowulf said, it will be years before we even understand the human brain, and to say that the PS3 is 1% as powerfull as a human brain is reduculious imo. Whenever they say things like this they are always only looking at one aspect and not the whole thing.The human brain is infinitely times more powerful than PS3. Don’t believe that bullshit hype.
Well you guys have your own opinion but I think you over estimate peoples intelligence level lol. We as humans have trouble adding numbers let alone processing 15 high definition video streams at once (like the ps3 can do). For instance, in you head try to add up 34,528+32,943 and at the exact same time try and add up 352+2499. It is impossible to add them up a the same time, you would spend at least 5 seconds doing the first one alone. I am not standing up for gaming platforms here but merely trying to show that if a gaming platform, that is not even top of the line technology compared to places like Los Alamos, can have enough processing power to decode those kind of graphics and the damn thing is no bigger than a laptop then think 50 years from now. Lets not forget that computing power expands exponentially according to Moore's law, which has held up for decades now and should hold up for a decade or two more to come.LOL. hilarious.
That stupid playstation isnt even 1/1000 of a percent of the human brain.
Do you guysrealize how much processing power it takes to digitize a single 3D image.. forget comtemplating the image..
Our brains take sight, sound, touch, smell, emotion and coordinate all that to mean something then compare it to something similar so we can make sense of it.
The most complex computers in the world can only perform one of those functions and extrapolate the data.. and still have nothing to do with it.. it has to be interpreted by a human.
Think about looking at a toy red block of wood sitting on the ground.. true intelligence would look at the color, the shape, the size, its location, how it feels and extrapolate all that data.. compare it to previously seen items of a similar nature and conclude its a toy THEN think about why it was left there.. who left it.. what they were building.
Do you all even have a concept of how much computational power that would take.. the amount of storage to process all that data..?
in 50 years "maybe" they'll be close to something that could do the most basic attempt at the above.. but it will be a long time before we see anything resembling real intelligence.
But still, you're dealing only with numbers. Humans could compute numbers like that if we were accustomed to it, but life does not require such computations so our brains aren't strong in the particular area. The thing is, much of our thinking is outside of numerical expression. Nearly everything we contemplate is such an abstract notion, very likely a complex mixture of reality and totally illogical imagination. No matter how many mathematical computations a computer can do, it is still only doing mathematical computations. Sure, I think supersmart computers with the capability to hear commands and respond in logical ways will be here soon. Computers that can probably write a perfect book, or compose a perfect symphony. But technical perfection has nothing to do with what is pleasing. AI will never have the gift of sponteneity. More important, it will never feel alone, or week, or useless, unless told to do so. Inner chaos is a big part of what we are as humans. Computers will at best only experience controlled chaos.Well you guys have your own opinion but I think you over estimate peoples intelligence level lol. We as humans have trouble adding numbers let alone processing 15 high definition video streams at once (like the ps3 can do). For instance, in you head try to add up 34,528+32,943 and at the exact same time try and add up 352+2499. It is impossible to add them up a the same time, you would spend at least 5 seconds doing the first one alone. I am not standing up for gaming platforms here but merely trying to show that if a gaming platform, that is not even top of the line technology compared to places like Los Alamos, can have enough processing power to decode those kind of graphics and the damn thing is no bigger than a laptop then think 50 years from now. Lets not forget that computing power expands exponentially according to Moore's law, which has held up for decades now and should hold up for a decade or two more to come.
Okay finally a more intelligent response . Good response there. I agree with you in many aspects of what you say. Since I can't predict how good AI will become in the future I can't really say whether spontaneity will ever be a feature. I think AI depends truly on how one defines it. It will never have a soul persay, in my opinion anyways but I do see it getting powerful enough to have emotion. And the way I see it going is although it is governed by code, is that it will be able to write its own code and once it is able to do that it is no different from our brain in that it interprets data and does what it wishes with it. Our brain is a computer in itself.But still, you're dealing only with numbers. Humans could compute numbers like that if we were accustomed to it, but life does not require such computations so our brains aren't strong in the particular area. The thing is, much of our thinking is outside of numerical expression. Nearly everything we contemplate is such an abstract notion, very likely a complex mixture of reality and totally illogical imagination. No matter how many mathematical computations a computer can do, it is still only doing mathematical computations. Sure, I think supersmart computers with the capability to hear commands and respond in logical ways will be here soon. Computers that can probably write a perfect book, or compose a perfect symphony. But technical perfection has nothing to do with what is pleasing. AI will never have the gift of sponteneity. More important, it will never feel alone, or week, or useless, unless told to do so. Inner chaos is a big part of what we are as humans. Computers will at best only experience controlled chaos.
As for the totally immersive virtual world, have any of you read Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson?
Okay, but I definitely do not see that happening in non-organic computers. I could see computational expressions for emotions but they will definitely be a bit "stiff" at first. Things like preprogrammed reactions to particular events. You know: cat dies=sadness=hanging your hang, being listless, etc. But I think the biggest problem in being able to get a true AI is in designing a thinking unit that can be truly random. Randomness is inherently in-programmable it would seem. And God forbid computers learn or be designed with some form of desire.Okay finally a more intelligent response . Good response there. I agree with you in many aspects of what you say. Since I can't predict how good AI will become in the future I can't really say whether spontaneity will ever be a feature. I think AI depends truly on how one defines it. It will never have a soul persay, in my opinion anyways but I do see it getting powerful enough to have emotion. And the way I see it going is although it is governed by code, is that it will be able to write its own code and once it is able to do that it is no different from our brain in that it interprets data and does what it wishes with it. Our brain is a computer in itself.
The next few decades should be exciting . :cheers:
Bingo. See you cannot compare a human's usage with numbers to a computers usage of numbers because they do not even see them as the same object. Numbers and boolean statements (values that evaluate to either true or false) are the most primitive forms of a computer's language. Although we have given computers our idea of numbers, it is not the same for the computer as it is for us. Our notion of numbers includes ALL of our experiences with them, from the time we first learn to count, to doing our taxes, to counting how many scoops of protein powder we have left before we should hit up allthewhey.com and order more. When we deal with numbers and mathematical computations it would seem that we are less efficent than computers, but the truth is we are dealing with numbers as a far greater concept than computers have of them, one entrenched in personal experience, emotion, etc.But still, you're dealing only with numbers. Humans could compute numbers like that if we were accustomed to it, but life does not require such computations so our brains aren't strong in the particular area. The thing is, much of our thinking is outside of numerical expression.
Actually the fact that the chips have been getting smaller has reduced power consumption to an extent.somewhat off-topic: Do we really have the energy to power all these computers which are exponentially increasing in computing power, and presumably energy usage?
I think cost may make this completely a non-issue for the majority of the world.
Yes this is sort of what I was trying to say. In other words, all non organic computers are based on logic. For example, if you wanted to program a robot to play basketball, you would basically give it thousands of if then commands. Like if the defensive player jumps, then dribble to the right (or left) and shoot a lay-up. It may appear like the robot has "artifical intelegence" but in reality evey response possible was basically thought out of and written by a human first. And take that robot to the swimming pool and it will have no clue what is going on. This is just a simplified example but I think it says what im trying to say.Bingo. See you cannot compare a human's usage with numbers to a computers usage of numbers because they do not even see them as the same object. Numbers and boolean statements (values that evaluate to either true or false) are the most primitive forms of a computer's language. Although we have given computers our idea of numbers, it is not the same for the computer as it is for us. Our notion of numbers includes ALL of our experiences with them, from the time we first learn to count, to doing our taxes, to counting how many scoops of protein powder we have left before we should hit up allthewhey.com and order more. When we deal with numbers and mathematical computations it would seem that we are less efficent than computers, but the truth is we are dealing with numbers as a far greater concept than computers have of them, one entrenched in personal experience, emotion, etc.
When we finally do have a computer that becomes aware, and can learn like a human, lets assume that we do not give its mind knowledge of numbers. Then teach it numbers but do NOT let it cheat by using some man mad algorithms to deal with them, let it add and subract and divide, I think you will be very suprised that without explicit instructions given to them by humans, it will take this computer a lot more computing power to do the same mathematical operations they can do today instantaneously, but that is because they will be thinking about numbers and difining through conciousness.
This is the point I was trying to get across.You know, all this talk about what AI means has got me thinking about humans. Many of us are more robotic than we realize. Much of what people do and say is "preprogrammed". However, even in that predictability, there is the chance for chaos.
BTW, I didn't think my response was all too smart but thanks anyways.