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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Fitness_Freak View Post
    Still waiting for an intelligent, credited, source filled response from you Mr. jimbuick...
    This is the most CHILDISH thing you possibly could have done. What are you, 16?


    Quote Originally Posted by Fitness_Freak View Post
    Mental decline has nothing to do with age?! I could sit here and give you hundreds of sources stating otherwise.

    http://www.lef.org/protocols/neurolo...decline_01.htm

    You stated earlier that marijuana has a long term effect on cognitive functions. Where the heck is your proof, you have provided me with none! And exactly as you said earlier, the effects may vary from person to person because everyone is different, well what if someone doesn't experience any of those effects because there health is a main priority in their life (eating correctly, exercising daily, proper hygiene, and always looking to enhance intelligence).

    Getting high from mj is no different then ingesting protein in my book. They both serve a purpose for the greater good of our body. Obviously you haven't tried it and even if you have, you haven't tried it for long enough.

    And if I read the word childish one more time I'm just going to withdraw from this debate. What really is childish is the lack of relevance your "facts" contain. You haven't provided a valid source yet. Once you present me with a credible source of it "causing lung cancer and impairing mental functions as a long term effect" then we can really start this debate.

    As of now you've provided me with an opinion you seem adamant to reverse on, maybe you should open a book instead of watching biased news organizations and reading wikipedia.
    Did you seriously just try to say that GETTING HIGH is the same as ingesting a necessary macronutrient that supports multiple functions in your life? And then you're trying to say you're waiting for an intelligent response from me?

    I've given reputable sources listing possible side effects of marijuana uses and all you've done is give me a source that backs my claims as much (or more) than it does yours. Did you even read the cancer link you gave me? It states specifically that the studies are conflicting and some show a definite increase in the risk of emphysema and some show no correlation. Besides the fact that it also specifically stated that the safety of cannabis was when it was ingested orally (eaten) not inhaled! Good source bro.

    Marijuana's lingering effects on the brain:
    http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/n...inger-in-brain

    Marijuana use may shrink the brain:
    http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/2008...rink-the-brain

    Marijuana may cause (or increase risk of) schizophrenia:
    http://psychcentral.com/lib/cannabis...anges/00012781


    Look buddy, it would appear that you are unaware of the fact that there is a conflicting study for every single thing you're trying to post. Which I will readily put up for you if it's deemed necessary.

    But, the simple fact is, you're argument is ridiculous. My stance is that using drugs to enjoy life is childish and is a way to avoid problems in life.

    I have mentioned more than once the possible side effects of marijuana use (long and short term) and have put up links to show these side effects, I also have my own personal experience (my brother is a heavy user) where I've seen the mental decline personally in the span of 5-10 years.

    And how about the fact that there are studies showing it lowers motivation and makes people lazy by altering brain chemistry and screwing with dopamine levels:
    http://news.menshealth.com/new-study...zy/2013/07/08/

    So, it's no coincidence that you can't seem to enjoy life without it. Because your dopamine levels are all out of whack from smoking too much, sounds very safe doesn't it? We should legalize it so that everyone can PERMANENTLY alter their brain chemistry.

    Other effects of marijuana use:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...fects/1751011/


  2. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    This is the most CHILDISH thing you possibly could have done. What are you, 16?

    Did you seriously just try to say that GETTING HIGH is the same as ingesting a necessary macronutrient that supports multiple functions in your life? And then you're trying to say you're waiting for an intelligent response from me?

    I've given reputable sources listing possible side effects of marijuana uses and all you've done is give me a source that backs my claims as much (or more) than it does yours. Did you even read the cancer link you gave me? It states specifically that the studies are conflicting and some show a definite increase in the risk of emphysema and some show no correlation. Besides the fact that it also specifically stated that the safety of cannabis was when it was ingested orally (eaten) not inhaled! Good source bro.

    Marijuana's lingering effects on the brain:
    http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/n...inger-in-brain

    Marijuana use may shrink the brain:
    http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/2008...rink-the-brain

    Marijuana may cause (or increase risk of) schizophrenia:
    http://psychcentral.com/lib/cannabis...anges/00012781

    Look buddy, it would appear that you are unaware of the fact that there is a conflicting study for every single thing you're trying to post. Which I will readily put up for you if it's deemed necessary.

    But, the simple fact is, you're argument is ridiculous. My stance is that using drugs to enjoy life is childish and is a way to avoid problems in life.

    I have mentioned more than once the possible side effects of marijuana use (long and short term) and have put up links to show these side effects, I also have my own personal experience (my brother is a heavy user) where I've seen the mental decline personally in the span of 5-10 years.

    And how about the fact that there are studies showing it lowers motivation and makes people lazy by altering brain chemistry and screwing with dopamine levels:
    http://news.menshealth.com/new-study...zy/2013/07/08/

    So, it's no coincidence that you can't seem to enjoy life without it. Because your dopamine levels are all out of whack from smoking too much, sounds very safe doesn't it? We should legalize it so that everyone can PERMANENTLY alter their brain chemistry.

    Other effects of marijuana use:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...fects/1751011/
    Well first off, I'm 25 and am in my second year of law school, but hey, I smoke weed so I'm obviously a blabbering idiot.

    Every single one of those articles can be torn apart. One of them stated a "light user" smoked 17 joints or more a week. Are you kidding me? I maybe go through 8-10 a week, if that.

    As for the statement about lowering motivation and making people lazy, I would absolutely disagree, where did they get their participants, McDonalds? In my own experience I would say it almost invigorates the mind, but then again everyone is different.

    Its puts a blemish on memory and multitasking? No way, otherwise how in the hell would I remember a 100+ page case, or heck, according to your articles, how am I able to even read and comprehend it, because it supposedly inhibits multitasking.

    So which problems am I exactly avoiding in life because I'm getting high? Please help me figure them out.

    What is wrong with eatables? Either way its still the active chemical thc. Its a valid option for everyone.

    By the way, the majority of your articles presented the word "may" as in they may cause this or they may cause that. No scientific backing besides one of the articles.

    Well its quite clear neither of us are going to change each others views, so this will be my last reply to your opinions.

    Thankfully for me, its already starting to be legalized for recreational uses, so I guess either way I still get to enjoy it. I'll come back to this tread in 20 years when I'm 45 and let you know how things are going. Supposedly my brain is going to shrink and I will have lost some cognitive functions, but we will see.

    Thanks, it was a great debate that ensued with intelligent remarks from all parties. Have a great day everyone.
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  3. justmechillin
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    http://www.centurycouncil.org/drunk-...nal-statistics

    19 people have died in car related DWI wrecks since this thread started ONE week ago going off 2010 data...... Now how many more have been killed in alcohol induced domestic violence in the last week PLUS all the bar brawls across the country......... The number is staggering...... Ban alcohol & legalize pot...

  4. Quote Originally Posted by justmechillin View Post
    http://www.centurycouncil.org/drunk-...nal-statistics

    19 people have died in car related DWI wrecks since this thread started ONE week ago going off 2010 data...... Now how many more have been killed in alcohol induced domestic violence in the last week PLUS all the bar brawls across the country......... The number is staggering...... Ban alcohol & legalize pot...
    prohibition?
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  5. ...or keep alcohol legal and widen the legalization of mj. I for one, am a person that can enjoy a drink or two and not go killing people and getting into my car driving around town. Believe it or not, it is possible to enjoy a vice responsibly. Not aiming this at you, justmechillin, just sayin.
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  6. justmechillin
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    ...or keep alcohol legal and widen the legalization of mj. I for one, am a person that can enjoy a drink or two and not go killing people and getting into my car driving around town. Believe it or not, it is possible to enjoy a vice responsibly. Not aiming this at you, justmechillin, just sayin.
    LOL, I was just trying to get my point across, its no big deal... It would be nice to see billions of tax $$$ generated and going to social security instead of a drug lord in south America... ;-)

  7. Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    prohibition?
    Exactly. We did that **** before and it definitely didn't work.

    You would've learned that in History if you weren't too high to remember.

    Quote Originally Posted by justmechillin View Post

    LOL, I was just trying to get my point across, its no big deal... It would be nice to see billions of tax $$$ generated and going to social security instead of a drug lord in south America... ;-)
    As if extra taxes went to social security.
  8. justmechillin
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Exactly. We did that **** before and it definitely didn't work.

    You would've learned that in History if you weren't too high to remember.



    As if extra taxes went to social security.
    LMFAO!!!!!!!!!....... I haven't smoked in over 20yrs...

  9. Jimbuick has completely negated any stance he ever had in this thread when he just stooped to name calling and angry posts filled with his hatred towards anyone that enjoys life differently that he does. Childish. LOL

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  10. He must be an old timer. Old timers drive Buicks. Legalize herb, my dad was an alchy, it caused him to be a very brutal guy.. notice I said guy. No way in hell smoking herb is childish. I guarantee he drinks coffee or tea and If that guy drinks coffee or tea he's "childish"!!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by crowpass View Post
    He must be an old timer. Old timers drive Buicks. Legalize herb, my dad was an alchy, it caused him to be a very brutal guy.. notice I said guy. No way in hell smoking herb is childish. I guarantee he drinks coffee or tea and If that guy drinks coffee or tea he's "childish"!!
    I'm 20.

    And I drink neither of those beverages.

    Strong argument though.

  12. **** all these shi+ heads you guys don't have any fuking idea. I've smoked weed since I was a kid and guess what mother ****ers I'm almost a fukin nurse at the age 22 any getting my Phd and becoming a doctor. So obviously weed has had if anything a benefit to my life. You think smoking some weed is not good for you? Ya how about you worry about your self and let me pack a bowl. Stoners aren't fukin lazy were smart. Its just retarded mother fukers like the ones in this thread who give us a bad name based on stereotypes on t.v. Shrinks the brain? Hahahaha fuk your articles old man

  13. Wow it's Jim vs everyone here lol.

    I don't advocate it's use at all. I worked in Residential drug abuse treatment center for kids 13-19. I've seen the harmful effects first hand.

    There might be medical uses for it, but I've never experienced the **** people talk about, it's never made me hungry, it's never made me sleepy, it's never reduced pain. I was a smoker for many years. I think if you honestly think it improves your ability to do your job, and it makes you smarter, your making excuses to identify yourself to a substance. Some people function well on it, great for them, just like anything else people react differently.

    That being said, my stance on legalization is simple, either it's fully illegal or it's fully legal, either one is fine by me. But this gray area, medical bull**** is abused and I absolutely hate it.

    But I know how fervently people will defend their drugs. So that's all I'm going to say, and I'll remind you all its an opinion, and an educated one. That was said as to not offend anyone, you're mostly all adults. Make your own choices.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by PumpHouse View Post
    Wow it's Jim vs everyone here lol.

    I don't advocate it's use at all. I worked in Residential drug abuse treatment center for kids 13-19. I've seen the harmful effects first hand.

    There might be medical uses for it, but I've never experienced the **** people talk about, it's never made me hungry, it's never made me sleepy, it's never reduced pain. I was a smoker for many years. I think if you honestly think it improves your ability to do your job, and it makes you smarter, your making excuses to identify yourself to a substance. Some people function well on it, great for them, just like anything else people react differently.

    That being said, my stance on legalization is simple, either it's fully illegal or it's fully legal, either one is fine by me. But this gray area, medical bull**** is abused and I absolutely hate it.

    But I know how fervently people will defend their drugs. So that's all I'm going to say, and I'll remind you all its an opinion, and an educated one. That was said as to not offend anyone, you're mostly all adults. Make your own choices.
    The debate was going pretty well, and staying pretty civil until recently.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by musclefool View Post
    **** all these shi+ heads you guys don't have any fuking idea. I've smoked weed since I was a kid and guess what mother ****ers I'm almost a fukin nurse at the age 22 any getting my Phd and becoming a doctor. So obviously weed has had if anything a benefit to my life. You think smoking some weed is not good for you? Ya how about you worry about your self and let me pack a bowl. Stoners aren't fukin lazy were smart. Its just retarded mother fukers like the ones in this thread who give us a bad name based on stereotypes on t.v. Shrinks the brain? Hahahaha fuk your articles old man
    There are plenty of lazy dumb ****ing stoners out there just like there are plenty of motivated, smart stoners out there. Its not good for you but its not bad for you either. Its not a multi vitamin lol

  16. Quote Originally Posted by PumpHouse View Post
    Wow it's Jim vs everyone here lol.

    I don't advocate it's use at all. I worked in Residential drug abuse treatment center for kids 13-19. I've seen the harmful effects first hand.

    There might be medical uses for it, but I've never experienced the **** people talk about, it's never made me hungry, it's never made me sleepy, it's never reduced pain. I was a smoker for many years. I think if you honestly think it improves your ability to do your job, and it makes you smarter, your making excuses to identify yourself to a substance. Some people function well on it, great for them, just like anything else people react differently.

    That being said, my stance on legalization is simple, either it's fully illegal or it's fully legal, either one is fine by me. But this gray area, medical bull**** is abused and I absolutely hate it.

    But I know how fervently people will defend their drugs. So that's all I'm going to say, and I'll remind you all its an opinion, and an educated one. That was said as to not offend anyone, you're mostly all adults. Make your own choices.
    Fully agree with this!'

  17. Quote Originally Posted by musclefool View Post
    **** all these shi+ heads you guys don't have any fuking idea. I've smoked weed since I was a kid and guess what mother ****ers I'm almost a fukin nurse at the age 22 any getting my Phd and becoming a doctor. So obviously weed has had if anything a benefit to my life. You think smoking some weed is not good for you? Ya how about you worry about your self and let me pack a bowl. Stoners aren't fukin lazy were smart. Its just retarded mother fukers like the ones in this thread who give us a bad name based on stereotypes on t.v. Shrinks the brain? Hahahaha fuk your articles old man
    I highly doubt your about to get your PhD at age 22. Nice try though, and even if you were, you should be using proper grammar and spelling, also profanity just makes you seem unintelligent. If you want to present yourself at the level of education you stated you're at, you should really start to make educated posts, otherwise people like myself who have worked their asses of in school will see straight through your lies.

    I could be wrong, but do yourself a favor and present yourself as an intelligent human being.

  18. Pro's:
    People report calming effects
    Can help increase appetite
    Reports of increased creativity
    Useful for some medical purposes
    It is thought to be comparatively safer than leading mind altering drugs

    Con's
    Reports of lethargy (Could be strain dependant)
    Legality (As of now)
    Potential health concerns (Mental and physical)
    Lack of long term studies(Due to legal staus)
    .............

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    And being called Childish by jimbuick

  19. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    The debate was going pretty well, and staying pretty civil until recently.
    I said it was a childish habit, and everyone went nuts lolol

    Quote Originally Posted by PumpHouse View Post
    Wow it's Jim vs everyone here lol.

    I don't advocate it's use at all. I worked in Residential drug abuse treatment center for kids 13-19. I've seen the harmful effects first hand.

    There might be medical uses for it, but I've never experienced the **** people talk about, it's never made me hungry, it's never made me sleepy, it's never reduced pain. I was a smoker for many years. I think if you honestly think it improves your ability to do your job, and it makes you smarter, your making excuses to identify yourself to a substance. Some people function well on it, great for them, just like anything else people react differently.

    That being said, my stance on legalization is simple, either it's fully illegal or it's fully legal, either one is fine by me. But this gray area, medical bull**** is abused and I absolutely hate it.

    But I know how fervently people will defend their drugs. So that's all I'm going to say, and I'll remind you all its an opinion, and an educated one. That was said as to not offend anyone, you're mostly all adults. Make your own choices.
    I agree bout the medical use, it doesn't seem particularly well at dealing with anything we don't already have.

    Quote Originally Posted by musclefool View Post
    **** all these shi+ heads you guys don't have any fuking idea. I've smoked weed since I was a kid and guess what mother ****ers I'm almost a fukin nurse at the age 22 any getting my Phd and becoming a doctor. So obviously weed has had if anything a benefit to my life. You think smoking some weed is not good for you? Ya how about you worry about your self and let me pack a bowl. Stoners aren't fukin lazy were smart. Its just retarded mother fukers like the ones in this thread who give us a bad name based on stereotypes on t.v. Shrinks the brain? Hahahaha fuk your articles old man
    man you need to calm down. Got your feathers are ruffled up for no reason. Gonna get the thread closed cuz your hissy fit in your rant.
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  20. Ha, knew this thread would get interesting.

    I've been smoking for about 15 years. I don't smoke preworkout but I do post workout. It really helps me relax, increases appetite for my next meal and makes getting 8 hrs a breeze. I've been vaporizing a lot more since I got my Launch Box. What a great invention.

    Weed is not beneficial per se... but its also not going to kill you. What drives me ABSOLUTELY INSANE is when people look at people who smoke like they are junkies or something. Shows a serious lack of knowledge and ignorance. Don't be that guy, you look like an idiot. Weed is WAY more safe than alcohol and barely any worse than a cup of coffee not to mention its been know to cure various cancers in many patients. Oops... guess the government has got some explaining to do being that its a tier 1 substance along with meth.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    Ha, knew this thread would get interesting.

    I've been smoking for about 15 years. I don't smoke preworkout but I do post workout. It really helps me relax, increases appetite for my next meal and makes getting 8 hers a breeze. I've been vaporizing a lot more since I got my Launch Box. What a great invention.

    Weed is not beneficial per se... but its also not going to kill you. What drives me ABSOLUTELY INSANE is when people look at people who smoke like they are junkies or something. Shows a serious lack of knowledge and ignorance. Don't be that guy, you look like an idiot. Weed is WAY more safe than alcohol and barely any worse than a cup of coffee not to mention its been know to cure various cancers in many patients. Oops... guess the government has got some explaining to do being that its a tier 1 substance along with meth.
    I would love to see proof of it "curing" cancer. Since its medical use is supposed to help deal with the side effects of chemotherapy, not for the disease itself as far as I know.

  22. My stance:

    It doesn't make a lazy person motivated, nor a motivated person lazy.

    It only becomes childish when you let it get in the way of your duties.

    The medical emphasis is certainly overused by people that just want to get high.

    Legalize it.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by PumpHouse View Post
    I would love to see proof of it "curing" cancer. Since its medical use is supposed to help deal with the side effects of chemotherapy, not for the disease itself as far as I know.
    In the past yes, it was used primarily for improving the quality of life for chemo patients but in the last few years, many studies have shown tumors shrinking and actually disappearing with certain individuals. So many people are against believing it helps that its like a trend, just like everything (in America anyway). Blind men leading.

    Marijuana has been used in medicine for over 3,000 years. America makes their own rules, tho. Don't forget, Columbus discovered America, kids!

    This was just a 2 sec Google search:

    http://www.collective-evolution.com/...n-cure-cancer/

  24. Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    Are you using it for its medical benefits or its recreational abilities because there are ways to get the body stimulation without the high.
    check out this article
    http://www.alternet.org/personal-hea...-believe-it-be
    Im going to repost this incase it got lost in the mix. I for one am not a user it gives me crazy panic attacks and depresses the hell out of me but there are "medical" benefits of the plant and ways to get those benefits that dont involve you getting loaded.
    SNS REP
    Hit me up with any questions any time.
  25. justmechillin
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    Its only a matter of time before it starts getting taxed the piss out of..... I don't want my social security stolen from me, when I'm 70, after paying into it for decades....

    http://www.people-press.org/2013/04/...ing-marijuana/

  26. http://www.collective-evolution.com/...n-cure-cancer/



    studies and links to 20 typess of cancer cured with cannabis..

  27. Quote Originally Posted by justmechillin View Post
    Its only a matter of time before it starts getting taxed the piss out of..... I don't want my social security stolen from me, when I'm 70, after paying into it for decades....

    http://www.people-press.org/2013/04/...ing-marijuana/
    The only problem that the gov is going to run into is how easy it is to grow and mass produce who is going to go out and buy a 70dollar 8th when they can plant a field and have a years with of green for them selves. They say stoners may be lazy but when it comes to their herb they get down right motivated.
    SNS REP
    Hit me up with any questions any time.
  28. justmechillin
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    The only problem that the gov is going to run into is how easy it is to grow and mass produce who is going to go out and buy a 70dollar 8th when they can plant a field and have a years with of green for them selves. They say stoners may be lazy but when it comes to their herb they get down right motivated.
    LOL!!!! Ya made a GOOD point there... They need to grow some hydro Bulbine and Fadogia........ ;-)
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