Why Gawd? Why?!!!

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  2. Some like to learn the hard way and they will.....I have no doubt a few here and there will be able to pull their weight though. They better not lower the bar on physical strength requirements based on gender though.

  3. I believe 100% that women, African Americans, whites, Asians, men should all of an equal opportunity to apply for all jobs in the military. As long as they meet the needed requirement. I know that I had to sign up for the draft to get federal grants for college, as with all males. it's only fair if its for women too
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/training-forum/198788-highschool-athlete-thread.html

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    Some like to learn the hard way and they will.....I have no doubt a few here and there will be able to pull their weight though. They better not lower the bar on physical strength requirements based on gender though.
    They aren't. Same requirements.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by benmayro View Post

    I believe 100% that women, African Americans, whites, Asians, men should all of an equal opportunity to apply for all jobs in the military. As long as they meet the needed requirement. I know that I had to sign up for the draft to get federal grants for college, as with all males. it's only fair if its for women too
    Lol. You have no idea what your talking about. Go back to smoking doobies in your dorm back in penn state....
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  6. Where all my military dogs at? I want input from the men who've actually been in the field and seen the effect that women have on effectiveness and combat readiness. How a woman in the field attracts attention all around them. How even the most atrocious one is "deployment hot" and just having them around distracts junior ranks. I'm all for equal rights but some things, i.e. death, blood, killing, psychological trauma, should be left to those more capable. And yes there may be a few exceptions to that rule but those women are not women in any sense of the word, there are no GI Janes in real life.
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  7. I am a veteran. I see what your saying but the ones I imagine making it physically aren't the ones that'll draw much attention unless they go to Lilith fair. Also like I said some like to learn the hard way. Who knows , it could be a curiosity by some that quickly becomes a horrifying reality they weren't prepared for. Women aren't wired as aggressive as men, that's where testosterone comes in, I just don't see many women actually willing to take it that far in order to kill. The ones that do though could be beasts. I just hope it doesn't end up jeopardizing combat situations like you mentioned.

    Other then that the ugly ones don't have to be on the front lines to get railed, I've nailed a couple enlisted trolls behind bars off base before. It's hard enough making those mistakes and remembering when you sober up but to have to stare at em in ranks everyday after when they now are infatuated with you. Yikes what can I say, the late 90s were boring and boredom sometimes leads to bad decision making. ;-)

  8. http://www.westernjournalism.com/the...le-combat-vet/

    This sums up how I feel. Written by a woman. Indubitably ...
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    I am a veteran. I see what your saying but the ones I imagine making it physically aren't the ones that'll draw much attention unless they go to Lilith fair. Also like I said some like to learn the hard way. Who knows , it could be a curiosity by some that quickly becomes a horrifying reality they weren't prepared for. Women aren't wired as aggressive as men, that's where testosterone comes in, I just don't see many women actually willing to take it that far in order to kill. The ones that do though could be beasts. I just hope it doesn't end up jeopardizing combat situations like you mentioned.

    Other then that the ugly ones don't have to be on the front lines to get railed, I've nailed a couple enlisted trolls behind bars off base before. It's hard enough making those mistakes and remembering when you sober up but to have to stare at em in ranks everyday after when they now are infatuated with you. Yikes what can I say, the late 90s were boring and boredom sometimes leads to bad decision making. ;-)
    Ha. What a great post
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/the...le-combat-vet/

    This sums up how I feel. Written by a woman. Indubitably ...
    I'm %100 on board with her there

  11. This is a mistake.

    I don't believe that woman shouldn't be able to be infantry but I believe that the PT standards should be based on MOS (and age) instead of Gender (and age). If they can meet the standard I have to meet then that's fine but I know it won't be that way.

    I can't trust a woman who only has to do 20 pushups to meet the standard to be able to pick me up in full kit when we get hit by an IED (or insert situation here).

    Just like Airborne School, when my dad went through (late 50's), that sh*t was hard but now its a joke. As long as you buck up and exit the aircraft you're golden because the runs are so slow (the women are always in the front) that you end up walking in the middle/towards the rear of the formation.

    /rant.

  12. I have to say thank Gawd for the Marine Corps and most of its Generals because the other branches have fallen prey to way too much public involvement and have lost their edge. Women have no business in the field as grunts, and I would vehemently argue with anyone who believes they should. This is not a morals/ethics/social justice type issue. This an effectiveness issue. A morale issue. A unit cohesion issue.

    S. F.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post

    Lol. You have no idea what your talking about. Go back to smoking doobies in your dorm back in penn state....
    There is no need to get aggressive when someone disagrees with you. As a veteran who risk his life defending the liberties and rights we all hold so dear, which I respect you for. Why would you be so disrespectful, when I express one of these rights in a debate about a certain topic. by the way, I have been accepted to a college that in my eyes is better than Penn State. Haverford College look it up.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/training-forum/198788-highschool-athlete-thread.html

  14. Quote Originally Posted by benmayro View Post

    There is no need to get aggressive when someone disagrees with you. As a veteran who risk his life defending the liberties and rights we all hold so dear, which I respect you for. Why would you be so disrespectful, when I express one of these rights in a debate about a certain topic. by the way, I have been accepted to a college that in my eyes is better than Penn State. Haverford College look it up.
    I don't want you to take this personally Ben.

    But the fact remains that you have absolutely no experience on this topic and shouldn't even be a part of this discussion.

    There are very few woman that could do what I am required to do as an infantryman. And the politics of the whole situation is disgusting, every line unit would have to change the way we do everything.

    Here is just a small example. We have a particular piece of truck BII, we use it to fill the trucks with fuel in the field. It is literally called a 'donkey dick', now if we were to have women in our unit and asked them to hand us the donkey dick...sexual harassment and UCMJ action which could even lead to a dishonorable discharge.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    I don't want you to take this personally Ben.

    But the fact remains that you have absolutely no experience on this topic and shouldn't even be a part of this discussion.

    There are very few woman that could do what I am required to do as an infantryman. And the politics of the whole situation is disgusting, every line unit would have to change the way we do everything.

    Here is just a small example. We have a particular piece of truck BII, we use it to fill the trucks with fuel in the field. It is literally called a 'donkey dick', now if we were to have women in our unit and asked them to hand us the donkey dick...sexual harassment and UCMJ action which could even lead to a dishonorable discharge.
    Great example
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    I don't want you to take this personally Ben.

    But the fact remains that you have absolutely no experience on this topic and shouldn't even be a part of this discussion.

    There are very few woman that could do what I am required to do as an infantryman. And the politics of the whole situation is disgusting, every line unit would have to change the way we do everything.

    Here is just a small example. We have a particular piece of truck BII, we use it to fill the trucks with fuel in the field. It is literally called a 'donkey dick', now if we were to have women in our unit and asked them to hand us the donkey dick...sexual harassment and UCMJ action which could even lead to a dishonorable discharge.
    I do not take anything personal about politics or the Internet and you made many valid points bud
    I agree with you there. There is two questions. do I believe women should get the chance to go to the front lines? yes. Do I believe they can handle it, no. There should be equal and significant physical requirements that does not differ between sexes. I do not believe in mixed units though. let's say 40 women made it through the requirements like all the males. than they can have their own groups.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/training-forum/198788-highschool-athlete-thread.html

  17. Quote Originally Posted by benmayro View Post

    There is no need to get aggressive when someone disagrees with you. As a veteran who risk his life defending the liberties and rights we all hold so dear, which I respect you for. Why would you be so disrespectful, when I express one of these rights in a debate about a certain topic. by the way, I have been accepted to a college that in my eyes is better than Penn State. Haverford College look it up.
    That wasn't aggressive. That was me expressing how I feel I have met you before. How I feel I have met every idealistic young man and woman in this country praising the tenets of equality with no sense of actual context. I apologize for sounding callous or rude but I have spent most of my adult life surrounded by like minded individuals who have only marginal consideration for political correctness.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by benmayro View Post
    I do not take anything personal about politics or the Internet and you made many valid points bud
    I agree with you there. There is two questions. do I believe women should get the chance to go to the front lines? yes. Do I believe they can handle it, no. There should be equal and significant physical requirements that does not differ between sexes. I do not believe in mixed units though. let's say 40 women made it through the requirements like all the males. than they can have their own groups.
    Like sending lambs to slaughter. Can you imagine the flack the military would receive if they sent an all female unit to the frontline only to get completely wiped out?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post

    That wasn't aggressive. That was me expressing how I feel I have met you before. How I feel I have met every idealistic young man and woman in this country praising the tenets of equality with no sense of actual context. I apologize for sounding callous or rude but I have spent most of my adult life surrounded by like minded individuals who have only marginal consideration for political correctness.
    No harm, no foul. it's the Internet and the worse part is the lack of face to face contact and emotions. I am not an idealist for social construct or the running of government. I believe the front line is a masculine occupation that requires dedication, a strong group energy and a full physical dedicated. I want to again give my respect for all you and everyone else in this thread that has served this country. A good example of my belief in a hundred percent less significant situation is football. Is a woman legally able to join a team and play with the males, yes. Can they in all actually though, no.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/training-forum/198788-highschool-athlete-thread.html

  20. Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post

    Like sending lambs to slaughter. Can you imagine the flack the military would receive if they sent an all female unit to the frontline only to get completely wiped out?
    I don't believe that many females could ever get that far. I believe though they should have the opportunity to fail though.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/training-forum/198788-highschool-athlete-thread.html

  21. Quote Originally Posted by benmayro View Post
    A good example of my belief in a hundred percent less significant situation is football. Is a woman legally able to join a team and play with the males, yes. Can they in all actually though, no.
    Good point
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by benmayro View Post

    I don't believe that many females could ever get that far. I believe though they should have the opportunity to fail though.
    If the standard was the same then I would agree.

    But the fact remains that the physical standard for a woman is subpar and consequently the women who wear the uniform are incapable of keeping up with the men who wear it.

    A woman in the army aged 17-21 has to run somewhere in the 17s for a 2 mile and do like 20 pushups in two minutes, and she is supposed to pull me out of the **** when were dog tires from humping rucks all day?

    (Don't quote me on the numbers, they are ballpark estimates)

  23. I'm just subbing along for the discussion...can't really comment, I got no military background and have no real say in the matter other than agreeing with the Veterans in this thread from what they have shared, and given us insight for.

    Interesting read indeed on the article from a female veteran too.
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  24. if your legally able and can pass the requirements given you should be able to serve plain and simple

  25. Quote Originally Posted by mich29 View Post
    if your legally able and can pass the requirements given you should be able to serve plain and simple
    You're being ignorant.

    We aren't talking about serving, of course women can serve. We are talking about being part of a line unit, something I'm sure you have no experience with.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    You're being ignorant.

    We aren't talking about serving, of course women can serve. We are talking about being part of a line unit, something I'm sure you have no experience with.
    Yeah I'm sorry but women in a line company = serious problems. For morale. For unit cohesion. The list goes on
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    You're being ignorant.

    We aren't talking about serving, of course women can serve. We are talking about being part of a line unit, something I'm sure you have no experience with.
    saying they can't serve simply because they are female doesn't cut it and im well aware of what war does i have friends who have served several tours aunts uncles grandparents who have served in many different branches.this is 2014 not 1930
  

  
 

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