Why Gawd? Why?!!!
- 01-30-2013, 06:49 PM
Why Gawd? Why?!!!
- 01-30-2013, 07:01 PM
01-30-2013, 07:51 PM
Some like to learn the hard way and they will.....I have no doubt a few here and there will be able to pull their weight though. They better not lower the bar on physical strength requirements based on gender though.
01-30-2013, 10:09 PM
01-30-2013, 10:14 PM
01-31-2013, 12:25 AM
01-31-2013, 12:34 AM
Where all my military dogs at? I want input from the men who've actually been in the field and seen the effect that women have on effectiveness and combat readiness. How a woman in the field attracts attention all around them. How even the most atrocious one is "deployment hot" and just having them around distracts junior ranks. I'm all for equal rights but some things, i.e. death, blood, killing, psychological trauma, should be left to those more capable. And yes there may be a few exceptions to that rule but those women are not women in any sense of the word, there are no GI Janes in real life.
01-31-2013, 12:46 AM
I am a veteran. I see what your saying but the ones I imagine making it physically aren't the ones that'll draw much attention unless they go to Lilith fair. Also like I said some like to learn the hard way. Who knows , it could be a curiosity by some that quickly becomes a horrifying reality they weren't prepared for. Women aren't wired as aggressive as men, that's where testosterone comes in, I just don't see many women actually willing to take it that far in order to kill. The ones that do though could be beasts. I just hope it doesn't end up jeopardizing combat situations like you mentioned.
Other then that the ugly ones don't have to be on the front lines to get railed, I've nailed a couple enlisted trolls behind bars off base before. It's hard enough making those mistakes and remembering when you sober up but to have to stare at em in ranks everyday after when they now are infatuated with you. Yikes what can I say, the late 90s were boring and boredom sometimes leads to bad decision making. ;-)
01-31-2013, 01:22 AM
This sums up how I feel. Written by a woman. Indubitably ...
01-31-2013, 01:25 AM
01-31-2013, 01:30 AM
01-31-2013, 02:08 AM
01-31-2013, 07:08 AM
This is a mistake.
I don't believe that woman shouldn't be able to be infantry but I believe that the PT standards should be based on MOS (and age) instead of Gender (and age). If they can meet the standard I have to meet then that's fine but I know it won't be that way.
I can't trust a woman who only has to do 20 pushups to meet the standard to be able to pick me up in full kit when we get hit by an IED (or insert situation here).
Just like Airborne School, when my dad went through (late 50's), that sh*t was hard but now its a joke. As long as you buck up and exit the aircraft you're golden because the runs are so slow (the women are always in the front) that you end up walking in the middle/towards the rear of the formation.
01-31-2013, 09:07 AM
I have to say thank Gawd for the Marine Corps and most of its Generals because the other branches have fallen prey to way too much public involvement and have lost their edge. Women have no business in the field as grunts, and I would vehemently argue with anyone who believes they should. This is not a morals/ethics/social justice type issue. This an effectiveness issue. A morale issue. A unit cohesion issue.
01-31-2013, 04:35 PM
01-31-2013, 04:41 PM
But the fact remains that you have absolutely no experience on this topic and shouldn't even be a part of this discussion.
There are very few woman that could do what I am required to do as an infantryman. And the politics of the whole situation is disgusting, every line unit would have to change the way we do everything.
Here is just a small example. We have a particular piece of truck BII, we use it to fill the trucks with fuel in the field. It is literally called a 'donkey dick', now if we were to have women in our unit and asked them to hand us the donkey dick...sexual harassment and UCMJ action which could even lead to a dishonorable discharge.
01-31-2013, 04:45 PM
01-31-2013, 04:47 PM
I agree with you there. There is two questions. do I believe women should get the chance to go to the front lines? yes. Do I believe they can handle it, no. There should be equal and significant physical requirements that does not differ between sexes. I do not believe in mixed units though. let's say 40 women made it through the requirements like all the males. than they can have their own groups.
01-31-2013, 04:54 PM
01-31-2013, 05:00 PM
01-31-2013, 05:02 PM
01-31-2013, 05:05 PM
01-31-2013, 05:59 PM
01-31-2013, 06:17 PM
But the fact remains that the physical standard for a woman is subpar and consequently the women who wear the uniform are incapable of keeping up with the men who wear it.
A woman in the army aged 17-21 has to run somewhere in the 17s for a 2 mile and do like 20 pushups in two minutes, and she is supposed to pull me out of the **** when were dog tires from humping rucks all day?
(Don't quote me on the numbers, they are ballpark estimates)
01-31-2013, 08:55 PM
I'm just subbing along for the discussion...can't really comment, I got no military background and have no real say in the matter other than agreeing with the Veterans in this thread from what they have shared, and given us insight for.
Interesting read indeed on the article from a female veteran too.
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