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I believe 100% that women, African Americans, whites, Asians, men should all of an equal opportunity to apply for all jobs in the military. As long as they meet the needed requirement. I know that I had to sign up for the draft to get federal grants for college, as with all males. it's only fair if its for women too
They aren't. Same requirements.Some like to learn the hard way and they will.....I have no doubt a few here and there will be able to pull their weight though. They better not lower the bar on physical strength requirements based on gender though.
Lol. You have no idea what your talking about. Go back to smoking doobies in your dorm back in penn state....I believe 100% that women, African Americans, whites, Asians, men should all of an equal opportunity to apply for all jobs in the military. As long as they meet the needed requirement. I know that I had to sign up for the draft to get federal grants for college, as with all males. it's only fair if its for women too
Ha. What a great postI am a veteran. I see what your saying but the ones I imagine making it physically aren't the ones that'll draw much attention unless they go to Lilith fair. Also like I said some like to learn the hard way. Who knows , it could be a curiosity by some that quickly becomes a horrifying reality they weren't prepared for. Women aren't wired as aggressive as men, that's where testosterone comes in, I just don't see many women actually willing to take it that far in order to kill. The ones that do though could be beasts. I just hope it doesn't end up jeopardizing combat situations like you mentioned.
Other then that the ugly ones don't have to be on the front lines to get railed, I've nailed a couple enlisted trolls behind bars off base before. It's hard enough making those mistakes and remembering when you sober up but to have to stare at em in ranks everyday after when they now are infatuated with you. Yikes what can I say, the late 90s were boring and boredom sometimes leads to bad decision making. ;-)
I'm %100 on board with her therehttp://www.westernjournalism.com/the-problems-of-women-in-combat-from-a-female-combat-vet/
This sums up how I feel. Written by a woman. Indubitably ...
There is no need to get aggressive when someone disagrees with you. As a veteran who risk his life defending the liberties and rights we all hold so dear, which I respect you for. Why would you be so disrespectful, when I express one of these rights in a debate about a certain topic. by the way, I have been accepted to a college that in my eyes is better than Penn State. Haverford College look it up.Lol. You have no idea what your talking about. Go back to smoking doobies in your dorm back in penn state....
I don't want you to take this personally Ben.There is no need to get aggressive when someone disagrees with you. As a veteran who risk his life defending the liberties and rights we all hold so dear, which I respect you for. Why would you be so disrespectful, when I express one of these rights in a debate about a certain topic. by the way, I have been accepted to a college that in my eyes is better than Penn State. Haverford College look it up.
Great exampleI don't want you to take this personally Ben.
But the fact remains that you have absolutely no experience on this topic and shouldn't even be a part of this discussion.
There are very few woman that could do what I am required to do as an infantryman. And the politics of the whole situation is disgusting, every line unit would have to change the way we do everything.
Here is just a small example. We have a particular piece of truck BII, we use it to fill the trucks with fuel in the field. It is literally called a 'donkey dick', now if we were to have women in our unit and asked them to hand us the donkey dick...sexual harassment and UCMJ action which could even lead to a dishonorable discharge.
I do not take anything personal about politics or the Internet and you made many valid points budI don't want you to take this personally Ben.
But the fact remains that you have absolutely no experience on this topic and shouldn't even be a part of this discussion.
There are very few woman that could do what I am required to do as an infantryman. And the politics of the whole situation is disgusting, every line unit would have to change the way we do everything.
Here is just a small example. We have a particular piece of truck BII, we use it to fill the trucks with fuel in the field. It is literally called a 'donkey dick', now if we were to have women in our unit and asked them to hand us the donkey dick...sexual harassment and UCMJ action which could even lead to a dishonorable discharge.
That wasn't aggressive. That was me expressing how I feel I have met you before. How I feel I have met every idealistic young man and woman in this country praising the tenets of equality with no sense of actual context. I apologize for sounding callous or rude but I have spent most of my adult life surrounded by like minded individuals who have only marginal consideration for political correctness.There is no need to get aggressive when someone disagrees with you. As a veteran who risk his life defending the liberties and rights we all hold so dear, which I respect you for. Why would you be so disrespectful, when I express one of these rights in a debate about a certain topic. by the way, I have been accepted to a college that in my eyes is better than Penn State. Haverford College look it up.
Like sending lambs to slaughter. Can you imagine the flack the military would receive if they sent an all female unit to the frontline only to get completely wiped out?I do not take anything personal about politics or the Internet and you made many valid points bud
I agree with you there. There is two questions. do I believe women should get the chance to go to the front lines? yes. Do I believe they can handle it, no. There should be equal and significant physical requirements that does not differ between sexes. I do not believe in mixed units though. let's say 40 women made it through the requirements like all the males. than they can have their own groups.
No harm, no foul. it's the Internet and the worse part is the lack of face to face contact and emotions. I am not an idealist for social construct or the running of government. I believe the front line is a masculine occupation that requires dedication, a strong group energy and a full physical dedicated. I want to again give my respect for all you and everyone else in this thread that has served this country. A good example of my belief in a hundred percent less significant situation is football. Is a woman legally able to join a team and play with the males, yes. Can they in all actually though, no.That wasn't aggressive. That was me expressing how I feel I have met you before. How I feel I have met every idealistic young man and woman in this country praising the tenets of equality with no sense of actual context. I apologize for sounding callous or rude but I have spent most of my adult life surrounded by like minded individuals who have only marginal consideration for political correctness.
I don't believe that many females could ever get that far. I believe though they should have the opportunity to fail though.Like sending lambs to slaughter. Can you imagine the flack the military would receive if they sent an all female unit to the frontline only to get completely wiped out?
Good pointA good example of my belief in a hundred percent less significant situation is football. Is a woman legally able to join a team and play with the males, yes. Can they in all actually though, no.
If the standard was the same then I would agree.I don't believe that many females could ever get that far. I believe though they should have the opportunity to fail though.
You're being ignorant.if your legally able and can pass the requirements given you should be able to serve plain and simple
Yeah I'm sorry but women in a line company = serious problems. For morale. For unit cohesion. The list goes onYou're being ignorant.
We aren't talking about serving, of course women can serve. We are talking about being part of a line unit, something I'm sure you have no experience with.
saying they can't serve simply because they are female doesn't cut it and im well aware of what war does i have friends who have served several tours aunts uncles grandparents who have served in many different branches.this is 2014 not 1930You're being ignorant.
We aren't talking about serving, of course women can serve. We are talking about being part of a line unit, something I'm sure you have no experience with.
You are missing the point...sit and watch the real experienced guys talk about this. You are missing their points, it's not because they are women...it is because of all the points they have made, and the reasons you are ignoring. Neither you nor I have served, you can be a part of the discussion, but for that you have to listen to their points...understand where they are coming from and answer with counter arguments to their ideas, because they are not arguing they can't do it just because they are women, they are talking about team cohesion and the physical and psychological demands needed for it...saying they can't serve simply because they are female doesn't cut it and im well aware of what war does i have friends who have served several tours aunts uncles grandparents who have served in many different branches.this is 2014 not 1930
Again, you are being ignorant.saying they can't serve simply because they are female doesn't cut it and im well aware of what war does i have friends who have served several tours aunts uncles grandparents who have served in many different branches.this is 2014 not 1930
Really? You didn't just say that...I do not take anything personal about politics or the Internet and you made many valid points bud
I agree with you there. There is two questions. do I believe women should get the chance to go to the front lines? yes. Do I believe they can handle it, no. There should be equal and significant physical requirements that does not differ between sexes. I do not believe in mixed units though. let's say 40 women made it through the requirements like all the males. than they can have their own groups.
guess i should have spelled it out.yes i believe they should be able to serve in a platoon making judgements like you are doing is no different than when African Americans weren't allow in sports and etc because they were looked at as inferiorAgain, you are being ignorant.
Women have been serving for years, no one is talking about a woman serving in the military. We are talking about being a member of an infantry platoon.
Infantry platoon =/= army
They are two very different beasts entirely. The culture difference between 11 series and POGs is something anyone can attest to.
The way infantry platoons are run is in no way a politically correct endeavor and by adding women to that would change the entire dynamic of the unit and would (from personal experience) ruin unit cohesion.
No 11B wants a woman in his platoon, I hear this sentiment everyday.
Also, as I've already pointed out, the standard a woman meets is not sufficient to be on the front line. How can I (as a lighter Guy even) trust a 100 pound woman who can barely do 25 pushups to drag me, in full kit, if I get injured? On top of the fact that some guys in my unit weigh ~200 pounds before kitting up.
What?! Completely absurd and erroneous. Race and gender are completely different. No one in this thread is even talking about race. This is a conversation about the physical limits of women versus men not racial equality. See your idiotic commentary back to the AF sub forum where you and Tom Davis can exchange war stories that you heard about from other people.guess i should have spelled it out.yes i believe they should be able to serve in a platoon making judgements like you are doing is no different than when African Americans weren't allow in sports and etc because they were looked at as inferior
You're an idiot.guess i should have spelled it out.yes i believe they should be able to serve in a platoon making judgements like you are doing is no different than when African Americans weren't allow in sports and etc because they were looked at as inferior
Did you really just pull the race card to relate this issue to a past one? You don't know what on earth you're talking about and if you want to have a clue then I can direct you to a recruitment office and you can find out first hand.guess i should have spelled it out.yes i believe they should be able to serve in a platoon making judgements like you are doing is no different than when African Americans weren't allow in sports and etc because they were looked at as inferior
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http://usarmybasic.com/army-physical-fitness/apft-standardssad this couldn't have stayed a simple debate without the use of name calling and a negative rep.I guess we will agree to disagree on this matter.I believe women should have the same right to enlist as men into platoons and any other area regardless on if I believe its safe or not it shouldn't be anyone's place to say you can't do something because you feel they are inferior to you.
You say that now...until that women who has the same rights as you has to save your ass on the front line, but can't because she's not strong enough to move you around...BUT she passed her PT test and meets the physical standards so it's ok right?sad this couldn't have stayed a simple debate without the use of name calling and a negative rep.I guess we will agree to disagree on this matter.I believe women should have the same right to enlist as men into platoons and any other area regardless on if I believe its safe or not it shouldn't be anyone's place to say you can't do something because you feel they are inferior to you.
Experience has nothing to do with it.prejudge is prejudge.http://usarmybasic.com/army-physical-fitness/apft-standards
Check that PT standard difference.
But of course, you have absolutely no experience AT ALL and will continue to disagree with all of the people who have FIRST HAND experience.
You have completely missed the points made on the matter and choose to see it as a women's rights issue. There's are point where things cease to be sexist and are just true.sad this couldn't have stayed a simple debate without the use of name calling and a negative rep.I guess we will agree to disagree on this matter.I believe women should have the same right to enlist as men into platoons and any other area regardless on if I believe its safe or not it shouldn't be anyone's place to say you can't do something because you feel they are inferior to you.
I've addressed this in the thread above.You have completely missed the points made on the matter and choose to see it as a women's rights issue. There's are point where things cease to be sexist and are just true.
Experience has EVERYTHING to do with it.Experience has nothing to do with it.prejudge is prejudge.
I'm aware of the requirements I've already had this debate with others who have served on the matter long before this thread was even created.if your that scared because a woman is next to you in a bunker and you don't feel your safe you shouldn't have signed up in the first place.saying they can't serve simply because they are a woman is no difference then any other form of prejudge I'm not saying they aren't a risk if you had read through my response instead of raving like a mad man you would have noticed that. I am saying they should have the right.
Soo the men signing up and dying in those bunkers don't have the right to at least be as safe as possible and deserve to be put at more "risk" than they already are? If they should have the right they should have to match our physical standards.Experience has nothing to do with it.prejudge is prejudge.
I'm aware of the requirements I've already had this debate with others who have served on the matter long before this thread was even created.if your that scared because a woman is next to you in a bunker and you don't feel your safe you shouldn't have signed up in the first place.saying they can't serve simply because they are a woman is no difference then any other form of prejudge I'm not saying they aren't a risk if you had read through my response instead of raving like a mad man you would have noticed that. I am saying they should have the right.
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