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  1. 15 states petition to leave the USA


    http://m.now.msn.com/15-states-start...-leave-the-usa

    Interesting....I doubt it will happen but what's everyone's take on this? Another civil war? What's going on in our country?!?!
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  2. Yep, thats my thoughts
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  3. After George Bush won in '04, 11 states petition to leave. It is actually quite common after elections. Since how easy and free it is to make a petition and how easy it is for other people to find it.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by benmayro
    After George Bush won in '04, 11 states petition to leave. It is actually quite common after elections. Since how easy and free it is to make a petition and how easy it is for other people to find it.
    The Obama administration actually set up a website (wethepeople.gov I believe) to make it easier for people to file official petitions to the federal government online.
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  5. Apparently Texas reached the threshold of petitions and its washingtons turn to issue a reply. Which will obviously be no.. Idc what you think about the gov but were still the best goddamn country out there.

    There's a petition to make those who signed deported. I may go sign it

  6. Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown
    Apparently Texas reached the threshold of petitions and its washingtons turn to issue a reply. Which will obviously be no.. Idc what you think about the gov but were still the best goddamn country out there.

    There's a petition to make those who signed deported. I may go sign it
    I think once they get 25k signatures it gets a response.

    I love this country, flaws and all. All the people who want to ceseed should be given some land and then we should issue a strict trade embargo against them and put up a huge fence so they can't come crawling back.
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  7. awsome thread. i dont get why all these cry babies are petitioning to leave the country. wtf would they do if they got cut from the money flow?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper
    awsome thread. i dont get why all these cry babies are petitioning to leave the country. wtf would they do if they got cut from the money flow?
    Lol
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny

    I think once they get 25k signatures it gets a response.

    I love this country, flaws and all. All the people who want to ceseed should be given some land and then we should issue a strict trade embargo against them and put up a huge fence so they can't come crawling back.
    Agreed man. Something this country has seemed to forget with all the candidate bashing and voting **** lately, is that this country is one of the best in the world. You can do anything you want with enough hard work, I mean for Christ sake we have so much food that over 60 percent of Americans are obese. We have out ups and downs but I'm proud to be an American through and through.

  10. Tough situation. I think it's a way for a lot of folks to vent their frustrations on both sides.

    I live in Texas and a lot of folks (myself included) don't like the way the federal government is run. Specifically the amount of debt that is being run up. It doesn't matter which party is in power, although BO has set records on how fast he can spend money. 6 trillion in 4 years!!

    So the view from Texas is that we are a state with a budget surplus. Low unemployment and enough guns to defend the state easily. Our own power grid. We are an oil producing state and we have a large coastline. Could this state secede and stand on its own....yes. Will it? Of course not, because we are a stronger state when we are joined with the other 49 states.

    I do think there will be a huge outcry when states like IL and CA go begging to the federal government to bail them out. That will be really ugly. These states will have to do that eventually because they are so far in debt that they'll have no choice. IMO

    Just my 2cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    http://m.now.msn.com/15-states-start...-leave-the-usa

    Interesting....I doubt it will happen but what's everyone's take on this? Another civil war? What's going on in our country?!?!
    People are too lazy to overthrow the government today.

  12. Well interestingly enough the state of Texas is currently the 15th largest economy in the world. Also if you actually read the petition it brings up some valid points in relation to our bill of rights being trampled upon by a federal government that is larger than it was ever supposed to be. (NDAA, Patriot act etc.)

  13. Also I believe it's closer to 40 now.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Also I believe it's closer to 40 now.
    There are active petitions in all 50, i believe. It's all symbolic though, no state will ever be allowed to leave the union.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post
    I think once they get 25k signatures it gets a response.

    I love this country, flaws and all. All the people who want to ceseed should be given some land and then we should issue a strict trade embargo against them and put up a huge fence so they can't come crawling back.
    Lol on trade embargo and huge fence.

    We can't even do that against illegal immigrants, yet going to do it to previous citizens?

    This is obviously a statement being made to washington more than a real request.

    Regardless... maybe we can just do what the last president did to the states wishing to become their own independent union and kill them all.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper View Post
    awsome thread. i dont get why all these cry babies are petitioning to leave the country. wtf would they do if they got cut from the money flow?
    What money flow? You mean the money flowing out of my pocket?
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown View Post
    Agreed man. Something this country has seemed to forget with all the candidate bashing and voting **** lately, is that this country is one of the best in the world. You can do anything you want with enough hard work, I mean for Christ sake we have so much food that over 60 percent of Americans are obese. We have out ups and downs but I'm proud to be an American through and through.
    Yes it is the best country in the world.. but our path is not headed toward a viable future. Hard work is no guarantee anymore in the US for a thriving life... now it is more of the people you know.

    I personally am not okay with 50% of my taxes going to the government next year as is projected.

    And there are petitions from all 50 states now.. but Texas has a huge number.. but they were their own nation well before joining the US.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by JayStang View Post
    Tough situation. I think it's a way for a lot of folks to vent their frustrations on both sides.

    I live in Texas and a lot of folks (myself included) don't like the way the federal government is run. Specifically the amount of debt that is being run up. It doesn't matter which party is in power, although BO has set records on how fast he can spend money. 6 trillion in 4 years!!

    So the view from Texas is that we are a state with a budget surplus. Low unemployment and enough guns to defend the state easily. Our own power grid. We are an oil producing state and we have a large coastline. Could this state secede and stand on its own....yes. Will it? Of course not, because we are a stronger state when we are joined with the other 49 states.

    I do think there will be a huge outcry when states like IL and CA go begging to the federal government to bail them out. That will be really ugly. These states will have to do that eventually because they are so far in debt that they'll have no choice. IMO

    Just my 2cents.
    This!

    This is the reason texas is on the forefront.. because they arent a welfare state. They still put in daily hardwork to earn their keeps and do little to suck on the government tiet.

    Again, Texas thrived well before joining the union.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post
    There are active petitions in all 50, i believe. It's all symbolic though, no state will ever be allowed to leave the union.
    Not without quite a bit of death, as seen in our past.

    Wanna leave? Here, have a bullet.
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  20. Maybe we will be like Europe and be all individual countries lol
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    Maybe we will be like Europe and be all individual countries lol
    They arent even individual countries.. most are part of the EU... right around the same time as economic woes started.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    Maybe we will be like Europe and be all individual countries lol
    The N.A.U. (North American Union)? Sounds interesting. I wonder what all of the heavy welfare states (Alabama, Mississippi, Louisianna, etc...) would do. They'd end up being 3rd world countries ruled by warlords.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post
    The N.A.U. (North American Union)? Sounds interesting. I wonder what all of the heavy welfare states (Alabama, Mississippi, Louisianna, etc...) would do. They'd end up being 3rd world countries ruled by warlords.
    Why do you believe those are welfare states? Those are actually farthest from it... your largest welfare states are states like Cali and New York.

    That thinking that the south are all welfare states is a red herring, due to personal stereotypes placed on southern people.

    I even posted this up in the Obamney thread. Find distinct correlations between who voted for whom.

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  24. Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    Maybe we will be like Europe and be all individual countries lol
    Somewhere, be it 50 years or hundreds of years from now, that's the future of the U.S.

    The only alternative futures for the U.S. is to look something like Spain (in terms of decentralized democracy, not talking about its financial structure), or for all individuals within the country to be grey, neurotic, cultureless, consumerist drones.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982

    Why do you believe those are welfare states? Those are actually farthest from it... your largest welfare states are states like Cali and New York.

    That thinking that the south are all welfare states is a red herring, due to personal stereotypes placed on southern people.

    I even posted this up in the Obamney thread. Find distinct correlations between who voted for whom.

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    Largest percentage of population in poverty lowest percentage of population with college education. NY and CA have more people on services only because they are higher population states. I'll post references later
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  26. CA and NY are hardly examples of well run states. It's great that they have large percentages of individuals with degrees. So why can't they balance their budgets? Why are they so far in debt and have some if the highest tax rates in the nation? Poverty can be misleading as a statistic and its difficult at best to compare southern and northern states.

    Yayy we have lots of people with degrees and we have a great welfare state......but we are broke and people who pay taxes are voting with their feet and moving.

    That's a good situation? How is that an example anyone would want to use?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post
    Largest percentage of population in poverty lowest percentage of population with college education. NY and CA have more people on services only because they are higher population states. I'll post references later
    You are trying to spin things. Regardless of population, why then with all that education does NY an CA have some of the largest deficits?

    Degree's mean nothing to a states economy, especially when a southern states professions are that of our food supply.

    Southern states make their living by hard work rather than on wall street betting on your mortgage.
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  28. #1 poorest: Mississippi 20.1% 571,000 people
    #2: Louisiana 18.3% 748,000 people
    #4: Alabama 16.7% 750,000 people
    #12: New York 14.5% 2,760,000 people
    #15: California 13.2% 4,716,000 people
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You are trying to spin things. Regardless of population, why then with all that education does NY an CA have some of the largest deficits?

    Degree's mean nothing to a states economy, especially when a southern states professions are that of our food supply.

    Southern states make their living by hard work rather than on wall street betting on your mortgage.
    I too value hard work over made up money, but that's unfortunately not how the world works anymore. Deficits will always be larger with a larger population. Many states have a balanced budget law that mandates that a state's budget be balanced so it's impossible for them to run a deficit even if they wanted to. This many times creates a huge gap in services when the money runs out. Roads dont get repaired, etc...

    All I'm saying is that all of our states contribute to the whole in many different ways, but not very many of our states would survive well if left to their own devices.

    Oh, and degrees have a lot to do with the economy. Without educated people there's very little invention, innovation and ground breaking entrepreneurship.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post
    #1 poorest: Mississippi 20.1% 571,000 people
    #2: Louisiana 18.3% 748,000 people
    #4: Alabama 16.7% 750,000 people
    #12: New York 14.5% 2,760,000 people
    #15: California 13.2% 4,716,000 people
    Again, you are spinning numbers. You are posting the old way of determining poverty based solely on the poverty line. Working at McDs 1 night a week in Cali will put you above the poverty line due to cost of living. In fact, adjusted poverty shows Cali is the down right poorest state.

    http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2...us_poverty.php

    #1 Cali
    #2 DC
    #3 Florida
    #4 Georgia
    #5 New York

    http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/p60-244.pdf

    Someone in Cali making 25K is pretty damn poor, but in Louisiana, you can live a pretty descent median lifestyle. Again, these states are known for living within their means and not on credit.. such as wall street. (Generalized Opinion)
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