15 states petition to leave the USA

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  1. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69072.html

    Comments down there suggest Texas got 6.4 BILLION dollars from the stimulus as well in direct cash payments. Make no mistake about it Texas is hardly the rebel state not having the federal gov't do anything to help it out and beacon of economic freedom.

    Still, they are just doing what everyone else does. But secession? Yeah that comes up all the time since we started this country. Someone call me when it isn't fancy dancy hyptheticals or some people signing a petition. The left wasn't serious about moving to Canada if Bush won in 04 and the right isn't serious about leaving the country now that we re-elected Obama. No matter how passionately they threatened.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69072.html

    Comments down there suggest Texas got 6.4 BILLION dollars from the stimulus as well in direct cash payments. Make no mistake about it Texas is hardly the rebel state not having the federal gov't do anything to help it out and beacon of economic freedom.

    Still, they are just doing what everyone else does. But secession? Yeah that comes up all the time since we started this country. Someone call me when it isn't fancy dancy hyptheticals or some people signing a petition. The left wasn't serious about moving to Canada if Bush won in 04 and the right isn't serious about leaving the country now that we re-elected Obama. No matter how passionately they threatened.
    Except in our case, an economic surplus, we are just getting some of our money back, while the rest of our wealth was "re-distributed" elsewhere.

    A number of posters point to Texas as a member of an economically weak union which is inaccurate in the case of a secession. No, we wouldn't be eligible for aid but then we wouldn't be paying federal taxes either. Autonomy is the argument and our economy would have to be viewed from a completely autonomous stand point.

    Our oil industry alone makes 6.4 billion look like a days work and that wealth concentrated within our borders, along with the tech, defense, health care, agricultural and chemical industries that we don't recieve credit for would show a completely different economic landscape in an independent Texas than being a big tit for a struggling country to suck from as we are now.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    Except in our case, an economic surplus, we are just getting some of our money back, while the rest of our wealth was "re-distributed" elsewhere.

    A number of posters point to Texas as a member of an economically weak union which is inaccurate in the case of a secession. No, we wouldn't be eligible for aid but then we wouldn't be paying federal taxes either. Autonomy is the argument and our economy would have to be viewed from a completely autonomous stand point.

    Our oil industry alone makes 6.4 billion look like a days work and that wealth concentrated within our borders, along with the tech, defense, health care, agricultural and chemical industries that we don't recieve credit for would show a completely different economic landscape in an independent Texas than being a big tit for a struggling country to suck from as we are now.
    Again, call me when this actually happens. If Texas is REALLY going to be that much better off what exactly are you guys waiting on again?

    This has 0 chance of happening and is nothing but a fairy tale fun hypothetical to play with. By all means play on. It was fun watching the left pretend they were actually getting up and getting out after Bush won in 04 and it's fun to watch the right discuss it now. I would bet ANY sum of money possible Texas is a state in the United States for the rest of your lifetime.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Again, call me when this actually happens. If Texas is REALLY going to be that much better off what exactly are you guys waiting on again?

    This has 0 chance of happening and is nothing but a fairy tale fun hypothetical to play with. By all means play on. It was fun watching the left pretend they were actually getting up and getting out after Bush won in 04 and it's fun to watch the right discuss it now. I would bet ANY sum of money possible Texas is a state in the United States for the rest of your lifetime.
    No ****

  5. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    No ****
    You said let us go as if the rest of the country was holding you hostage. If you feel so strongly about seceding perhaps it's time to get the rest of the people in the state on board?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    You said let us go as if the rest of the country was holding you hostage. If you feel so strongly about seceding perhaps it's time to get the rest of the people in the state on board?
    It's a conversation about a hypothetical scenario Texans have tossed around in varying ranges of seriousness since loooong before Obama, which was my original point to the thread.

    "Texas will again lift its head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country on the globe can compare with it in natural resources."

    Sam Houston said that. A Texas revolutionist, a president of the nation of Texas and a guy who wanted an independent Texas in the 1800's post annexation. We hadn't even discovered oil yet.

    If I could hop on a horse and rally support you can believe I would and we have had candidates for high state offices run with secession in their platform in the not too distant past. Our standing governer has mentioned it only half jokingly.

    One major problem is that much of our population consists of people from other states (and always has) who have run here en masse in the last ten years especially for our prosperity and who would never consider leaving the nation.

    Another is a very large hispanic population with illegal cousins and uncles who would fear a Texas gov't would be less friendly on illegal immigration than a state under federal pressure to look the other way. These legal hispanics would vote in the millions to stay with the US to protect their illegal counter parts.

    I'm not debating the practicality of seceding itself, only discussing the fact that yes, we could stand alone given the opportunity and that this isn't an Obama inspired, knee jerk idea. At least not for us. "Lonestar" is the subculture for natives here and always has been. If I was actually asking the US gov't to let us go, it wouldn't be on a random bodybuilding sub-forum, it's just a discussion.

  7. NM not worth it.

  8. TG has made very valid points ITT.

    As a Texas Native I can attest to the fact that the idea of an independent Texas is not recent. People have been discussing the idea since I was in grade school (and longer I'm sure).

  9. Quote Originally Posted by MightyBeast View Post

    Yea I just met an illegal who got back $9,000 in income tax. Now how is that. And Texas guy i like how you think.
    Mightybeast are your pulling my chain I'm so disappointed I have to pay a sh*t load mind you that my wife and I were taxed to death through payroll income. Smh she probably gets foodstamps welfare and that free phone they give out how the heck is this possible 9000$.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    TG has made very valid points ITT.

    As a Texas Native I can attest to the fact that the idea of an independent Texas is not recent. People have been discussing the idea since I was in grade school (and longer I'm sure).
    FWIW I was never trying to say he didn't make valid points, merely that the discussion won't come to fruition. Texas vs. White took place in 1869. 144 years later and Texas still isn't going anywhere. My facebook was flooded with people who threatened to move if Obama won re-election to another country. They are still sitting on their fat asses. The idea of how well off they would be if they did is fine to play around with or whatever, but states aren't going anywhere just like people aren't. The left didn't run off in droves after 2004 despite claiming they would and the right isn't going anywhere either no matter how much Obama pisses them off.

    Texas indeed has a long independent history, maybe more than any other state and that sense of state pride maybe more than any other state. That much is not up for debate. But Texas isn't going anywhere. And neither is any other state.
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  12. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...192407075.html


    Found this article interesting. Texas to stockpile gold.
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