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    The Smuttiest Cities in America


    The Smuttiest Cities in America

    Congratulations America!

    1. Orlando, FL
    2. Las Vegas, NV
    3. Wilmington, DE
    4. Raleigh, NC
    5. Charlotte, NC
    6. Minneapolis, MN
    7. Atlanta, GA
    8. Tampa, FL
    9. Anchorage, AK
    10. Austin, TX
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    Ill be in orlando soon, lol florida
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    Orlando beats out Las Vegas.....Sin City. David D I expected better from you
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    Orlando beats out Las Vegas.....Sin City. David D I expected better from you
    I failed to emphasize my sarcasm. Sorry.

    Way to make your mother's proud Orlando!
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    I'm surprised Detroits not in that top ten for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn
    I failed to emphasize my sarcasm. Sorry.

    Way to make your mother's proud Orlando!
    I guess Orlando is the happiest place on earth
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    Ah, Texas....3 in the top-15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    Ah, Texas....3 in the top-15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    The Smuttiest Cities in America

    Congratulations America!

    1. Orlando, FL
    2. Las Vegas, NV
    3. Wilmington, DE
    4. Raleigh, NC
    5. Charlotte, NC
    6. Minneapolis, MN
    7. Atlanta, GA
    8. Tampa, FL
    9. Anchorage, AK
    10. Austin, TX
    11. ...
    I could have told ya Tampa would be in the top 10.

    There's definitely some slutty...I mean...smutty sh*t going on around here.



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    I'm not really into smut, but I don't have a big problem with those who are. Kinda like gay marriage it isn't effecting me one bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I'm not really into smut, but I don't have a big problem with those who are. Kinda like gay marriage it isn't effecting me one bit.
    Norrow thinking. It does effect you. You have no issue with your schools teaching your children issues regarding homosexuality, same sex marriage, same sex parenting and all the issues surrounding it's tolerance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Norrow thinking. It does effect you. You have no issue with your schools teaching your children issues regarding homosexuality, same sex marriage, same sex parenting and all the issues surrounding it's tolerance?
    I have 0 issues with society teaching that it's ok to accept people just because they are different. Wasn't too long ago that a similar statement could have been made: "You have no issue with schools letting blacks go with whites and teaching that letting them vote/drink water out of the same fountain is ok? Or perhaps: You have no issue with women being allowed to go to school and get an education and vote?"

    I don't buy the slippery slope fallacy that bigots want you to believe one bit "what's next man marries horse, now schools are going to start teaching all this homosexuality stuff."

    I wouldn't expect the very religious "you're going to hell if you don't believe exactly as I do" people to agree with me. I'm not fearful of people who are different than me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce

    I have 0 issues with society teaching that it's ok to accept people just because they are different. Wasn't too long ago that a similar statement could have been made: "You have no issue with schools letting blacks go with whites and teaching that letting them vote/drink water out of the same fountain is ok? Or perhaps: You have no issue with women being allowed to go to school and get an education and vote?"

    I don't buy the slippery slope fallacy that bigots want you to believe one bit "what's next man marries horse, now schools are going to start teaching all this homosexuality stuff."

    I wouldn't expect the very religious "you're going to hell if you don't believe exactly as I do" people to agree with me. I'm not fearful of people who are different than me.
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    Its not societies place nor my governments place nor my childrens school's place to inform my children regarding these matters nor to apply their tolerance standards. My morals and values and tolerances are mine to uphold and instill within my family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn
    Its not societies place nor my governments place nor my childrens school's place to inform my children regarding these matters nor to apply their tolerance standards. My morals and values and tolerances are mine to uphold and instill within my family.
    Agreed, however it is difficult considering how available the information is now an how prevalent it is in the media. Look at the recent Newsweek cover as a prime example. The information is out there, and I believe we do our children a disservice by not informing them.

    Bear in mind.....informing them is entirely different then preaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I could have told ya Tampa would be in the top 10.

    There's definitely some slutty...I mean...smutty sh*t going on around here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Its not societies place nor my governments place nor my childrens school's place to inform my children regarding these matters nor to apply their tolerance standards. My morals and values and tolerances are mine to uphold and instill within my family.
    Can you direct me to where these schools are located that are informing all these students of homosexuality related things? It seems as if you're arguing that schools across the nation spend a lot of time teaching and talking about homosexuality. The idea that this is happening on a broad scale is pure paranoia.

    Although if you're including schools cracking down on kids who bully gays which leads to the gays committing suicide then you're correct...they have ramped up anti-bullying efforts.

    Although just like with segregation as society progresses to be more tolerant one can always keep kids at home and teach them whatever nonsense they prefer.
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    After the rutgers case it has been a huge ordeal here in NJ. I have sat in on the hearings for the new law, it is quite all encompassing. Maybe too far in actuality. It's purpose however is honorable and appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I have 0 issues with society teaching that it's ok to accept people just because they are different. Wasn't too long ago that a similar statement could have been made: "You have no issue with schools letting blacks go with whites and teaching that letting them vote/drink water out of the same fountain is ok? Or perhaps: You have no issue with women being allowed to go to school and get an education and vote?"

    I don't buy the slippery slope fallacy that bigots want you to believe one bit "what's next man marries horse, now schools are going to start teaching all this homosexuality stuff."

    I wouldn't expect the very religious "you're going to hell if you don't believe exactly as I do" people to agree with me. I'm not fearful of people who are different than me.
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    Its not societies place nor my governments place nor my childrens school's place to inform my children regarding these matters nor to apply their tolerance standards. My morals and values and tolerances are mine to uphold and instill within my family.
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    Agreed, however it is difficult considering how available the information is now an how prevalent it is in the media. Look at the recent Newsweek cover as a prime example. The information is out there, and I believe we do our children a disservice by not informing them.

    Bear in mind.....informing them is entirely different then preaching.
    None of our constitution, none of the declaration of independence was designed to affect how individuals treat each other. It was all about the compact between the government and the citizens.

    You are free to teach intolerance. You are free to have likes and dislikes. The government is the one that is not supposed to have likes and dislikes. To think or believe in any way that individuals won't have preferences is ludicrous. To the government all men are "created equal" in that they deserve equal treatment by their government, but you have to be mentally handicapped to think that men are all equal, or that individuals should be forced to treat all people equally. The government has no right to freedom of choice, but I do.

    As a business owner you should be free to hire and fire who you want. You should be free to refuse service to anyone for any reason. These are simple property rights. The government has no say as to who is allowed to walk in my home, over who I invite for dinner. There is no difference in owning a business. I am allowed to like who I want to like, and dislike who I want to dislike. I'm allowed to respect or not the choices of others whether it be religion or clothing or sexual activity. I can't believe that in the guise of trying to provide rights for certain things the way our government approaches it is to take away someone else's right. Yet in what I still believe is the long term goal to create greater government dependence that this is largely being done to splinter family groups, rather than in any politicians really giving a damn.

    I don't buy the slippery slope fallacy that bigots want you to believe one bit "what's next man marries horse, now schools are going to start teaching all this homosexuality stuff."
    - this sort of thinking has always irritated me. You dismiss by using that sort of reverse strawman that it is not schools place to teach social interaction. It is not schools place to teach acceptance of behaviors of others. It is not their place to teach anything but academics but since they fail so miserably at doing that, they have to fill their time teaching things that are not their role to teach.

    AE "Heather has 2 mommies" as required reading in schools is ridiculous. There isn't any reason for schools to inform children about issues like that when they can't manage to inform the students how to read and do math. You might be able to make a point of teaching more about social issues if schools were successful at their core purpose, but frankly with the terrible job compared to the rest of the world particularly for the price we pay, allowing those same people to push preferences on the children (whether religious or other) is crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    As a business owner you should be free to hire and fire who you want. You should be free to refuse service to anyone for any reason. These are simple property rights. The government has no say as to who is allowed to walk in my home, over who I invite for dinner. There is no difference in owning a business. I am allowed to like who I want to like, and dislike who I want to dislike. I'm allowed to respect or not the choices of others whether it be religion or clothing or sexual activity. I can't believe that in the guise of trying to provide rights for certain things the way our government approaches it is to take away someone else's right. Yet in what I still believe is the long term goal to create greater government dependence that this is largely being done to splinter family groups, rather than in any politicians really giving a damn.
    I wholeheartedly agree even though we both know this isn't reality. This is why even though I despise smoking I hate public places smoking bans especially in bars. Let me as a business owner decide if I want my business to have smoking and let consumers decide if they want in. Like I said, not reality.

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    - this sort of thinking has always irritated me. You dismiss by using that sort of reverse strawman that it is not schools place to teach social interaction. It is not schools place to teach acceptance of behaviors of others. It is not their place to teach anything but academics but since they fail so miserably at doing that, they have to fill their time teaching things that are not their role to teach.
    Again in a vacuum I agree, but of course this isn't reality. A school has to operate as best for the majority AND minority to be best for all. If a kid is getting beat up because he's black, or white, or gay, or straight it behooves schools to try and get people to tolerate one another. You can't teach me if I'm constantly complaining about having to sit in the same row as Johnny black boy. A hidden curriculum has always existed in schools and probably always will. Schools are largely about teaching kids how to act in society. They use bells to teach getting places on times and talk about being patient, think of the stuff you did in kindergarten, stand in lines. I also think parents do such a crappy job nowdays schools get stuck teaching things like personal hygiene that they shouldn't have to. Again it's not ideal and maybe not even the schools place, but it is reality. And school is about more than academics, it's about preparing you to live as an adult in society. And because public schools have mixes of black, white, hispanic, gay, straight, they are going to have to at least attempt to teach them to get along or they can't even begin to think about teaching academics.

    Anyways, just my .02 it's fun to talk about I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    AE "Heather has 2 mommies" as required reading in schools is ridiculous. There isn't any reason for schools to inform children about issues like that when they can't manage to inform the students how to read and do math. You might be able to make a point of teaching more about social issues if schools were successful at their core purpose, but frankly with the terrible job compared to the rest of the world particularly for the price we pay, allowing those same people to push preferences on the children (whether religious or other) is crazy.
    You nailed it here, Eric. My sentiment exactly.

    Our school systems primary core purpose and goals are not being met by any means in this country; social issues are not/should not even be in the equation in my opinion. We as individuals develop social skills through our daily interactions and successes/failures in life; even at a very young age. Based on those interactions, we form our own opinions and develop an individual personal character.



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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I really think we should be ranked higher
    I agree with you. I don't think people realize how big the porn industry is here in Tampa. Not just people watching it, but being filmed/made.

    I would have thought for sure we'd be ranked higher than Orlando. "O-Town" is a sh*thole.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    A school has to operate as best for the majority AND minority to be best for all. If a kid is getting beat up because he's black, or white, or gay, or straight it behooves schools to try and get people to tolerate one another.
    School needs to establish and secure a safe educational environement. Schools need to develop strict behavior rules and firm consequences for violent behaviors. We don't need to like, get along or enjoy each others company but we do need to behave appropriately. Tolerate one another? By definition - Allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. Yes.

    Tolerance is a far cry from embracing and/or celebrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    School needs to establish and secure a safe educational environement. Schools need to develop strict behavior rules and firm consequences for violent behaviors. We don't need to like, get along or enjoy each others company but we do need to behave appropriately. Tolerate one another? By definition - Allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. Yes.

    Tolerance is a far cry from embracing and/or celebrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    School needs to establish and secure a safe educational environement. Schools need to develop strict behavior rules and firm consequences for violent behaviors. We don't need to like, get along or enjoy each others company but we do need to behave appropriately. Tolerate one another? By definition - Allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. Yes.

    Tolerance is a far cry from embracing and/or celebrating.
    Couldn't agree more....but I still don't see the widespread embracing or celebrating...but it seems as if some thing not denouncing=celebrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Couldn't agree more....but I still don't see the widespread embracing or celebrating...but it seems as if some thing not denouncing=celebrating.
    Does the school put up gay pride month posters yet disallow religious posters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Does the school put up gay pride month posters yet disallow religious posters?
    I live in Kansas and haven't heard of such a thing anywhere. I know if you search you can always find a school that does weird things, but doesn't mean any of it is happening on a wide scale.

    Personally I wouldn't want either up in a school. The school I live closest to is extremely conservative and they pray all the time. Doesn't really bother me, but honestly I think it has no place in a public school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Does the school put up gay pride month posters yet disallow religious posters?
    I agree. It's that type of selective thinking and action with social issues that is outright disturbing.

    They sure do a good job promoting "Gay Days" down here every year, though...



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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    AE "Heather has 2 mommies" as required reading in schools is ridiculous. There isn't any reason for schools to inform children about issues like that when they can't manage to inform the students how to read and do math. You might be able to make a point of teaching more about social issues if schools were successful at their core purpose, but frankly with the terrible job compared to the rest of the world particularly for the price we pay, allowing those same people to push preferences on the children (whether religious or other) is crazy.
    A couple of things.....
    1. Where is that book in a school curriculum? I would like to know the state, grade level, and see the state standards to see how it fits.
    2. If you think teaching about social issues is not to be done at the school level, then you show your lack of experience in a public school setting. In a HS history class, social issues are of course being discussed. Look at US history for goodness sakes, I guess the civil rights movement didnt have social issues
    3. In terms of how bad we are doing....you really need to be specific to state, county, districts. As the district I work in is a J district in NJ, and has some of the finest scores in the nation, yet pays one of the lowest in the nation per pupil. Is it because my teachers are amazing? Some, is it a completely different sentiment towards education than Newark? most likely

    Your comments leave out so many variables that they are completely misleading
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Does the school put up gay pride month posters yet disallow religious posters?
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    I agree. It's that type of selective thinking and action with social issues that is outright disturbing.

    They sure do a good job promoting "Gay Days" down here every year, though...



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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    3. In terms of how bad we are doing....you really need to be specific to state, county, districts. As the district I work in is a J district in NJ, and has some of the finest scores in the nation, yet pays one of the lowest in the nation per pupil. Is it because my teachers are amazing? Some, is it a completely different sentiment towards education than Newark? most likely
    We should never quit striving to have the best education system in the world...but some of the comparisons to other countries are misleading at best. We don't track kids like other schools do, we are attempting to educate everyone. The exclusion rates of some of these countries are pretty shocking. This isn't to say our system is perfect by any means, but if we took out a lot of low performers in school (like some countries ahead of us do) from our results we could jump the ladder pretty fast.

    Room for improvement certainly, but the "look how stupid we are compared to Country X" can be a little off.
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    I wholeheartedly agree even though we both know this isn't reality. This is why even though I despise smoking I hate public places smoking bans especially in bars. Let me as a business owner decide if I want my business to have smoking and let consumers decide if they want in. Like I said, not reality.



    Again in a vacuum I agree, but of course this isn't reality. A school has to operate as best for the majority AND minority to be best for all. If a kid is getting beat up because he's black, or white, or gay, or straight it behooves schools to try and get people to tolerate one another. You can't teach me if I'm constantly complaining about having to sit in the same row as Johnny black boy. A hidden curriculum has always existed in schools and probably always will. Schools are largely about teaching kids how to act in society. They use bells to teach getting places on times and talk about being patient, think of the stuff you did in kindergarten, stand in lines. I also think parents do such a crappy job nowdays schools get stuck teaching things like personal hygiene that they shouldn't have to. Again it's not ideal and maybe not even the schools place, but it is reality. And school is about more than academics, it's about preparing you to live as an adult in society. And because public schools have mixes of black, white, hispanic, gay, straight, they are going to have to at least attempt to teach them to get along or they can't even begin to think about teaching academics.

    Anyways, just my .02 it's fun to talk about I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    A hidden curriculum has always existed in schools and probably always will. Schools are largely about teaching kids how to act in society. They use bells to teach getting places on times and talk about being patient, think of the stuff you did in kindergarten, stand in lines. I also think parents do such a crappy job nowdays schools get stuck teaching things like personal hygiene that they shouldn't have to. Again it's not ideal and maybe not even the schools place, but it is reality. And school is about more than academics, it's about preparing you to live as an adult in society.
    Replace the word schools with parenting.

    A hidden curriculum has always existed in parenting and probably always will. Parenting is largely about teaching kids how to act in society. They use bells to teach getting places on times and talk about being patient, think of the stuff you did in kindergarten, stand in lines. I also think parents do such a crappy job nowdays schools get stuck teaching things like personal hygiene that they shouldn't have to. Again it's not ideal and maybe not even the schools place, but it is reality. And parenting is about more than academics, it's about preparing you to live as an adult in society.

    I don't need nor desire my society, my government or my schools to step in and fill a void that does not exist in my parenting or the lives of my children because the majority of parents fail at fulfilling their responsibilities to the children and our society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Replace the word schools with parenting.

    A hidden curriculum has always existed in parenting and probably always will. Parenting is largely about teaching kids how to act in society. They use bells to teach getting places on times and talk about being patient, think of the stuff you did in kindergarten, stand in lines. I also think parents do such a crappy job nowdays schools get stuck teaching things like personal hygiene that they shouldn't have to. Again it's not ideal and maybe not even the schools place, but it is reality. And parenting is about more than academics, it's about preparing you to live as an adult in society.

    I don't need nor desire my society, my government or my schools to step in and fill a void that does not exist in my parenting or the lives of my children because the majority of parents fail at fulfilling their responsibilities to the children and our society.
    Then you should homeschool your kids or take them to a private school that best fits your wishes. I don't really disagree, but school is where a lot of kids learn things that parents AREN'T doing for them. Kudos for you for doing a good job, but it isn't the norm and frankly society has forced a lot of schools to do things most of us think they shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Then you should homeschool your kids or take them to a private school that best fits your wishes. I don't really disagree, but school is where a lot of kids learn things that parents AREN'T doing for them. Kudos for you for doing a good job, but it isn't the norm and frankly society has forced a lot of schools to do things most of us think they shouldn't.
    a question you have to ask yourself is which is the cart and which is the horse. Have liberal/progressives created the situation over time where less parents are actively involved to give an excuse as to their further meddling in the education system? There does seem to be a pattern of things being crafted and pushed in a way to break down nuclear families and increase governmental dependency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    a question you have to ask yourself is which is the cart and which is the horse. Have liberal/progressives created the situation over time where less parents are actively involved to give an excuse as to their further meddling in the education system? There does seem to be a pattern of things being crafted and pushed in a way to break down nuclear families and increase governmental dependency.
    I don't know that I'd put this on one "side." I live in a very conservative state and actually in a very conservative area of that state. A lot of our parents are freaking awful. My area is white, uber religious, and poor. A lot of them rail against the government while being on government aid.

    They are all members of what I like to call the pro-birth movement, not the pro-life movement. Oh yeah they want kids to be born don't get me wrong, but the minute they are born they don't want to fund schools, don't want to read to them, don't want to take care of them whatever. Pro-birth movement, make sure we have kids but once they are here **** em. Damn I'm pro-life to, but I care about kids once they are on Earth as well!

    Everything (imo) comes back to parenting. Everyone wants to be best friends with their kids and no one wants to teach them values and discipline. It's great that you and David do this, and I will when I'm a parent but you're in the minority. Sad as hell, but you're both "weird."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Then you should homeschool your kids or take them to a private school that best fits your wishes. I don't really disagree, but school is where a lot of kids learn things that parents AREN'T doing for them. Kudos for you for doing a good job, but it isn't the norm and frankly society has forced a lot of schools to do things most of us think they shouldn't.
    this is correct. D, I applaud you and do not doubt that you do a great job. However, and sadly, you are not the norm.

    Look at any schools website and find their vision/mission/goals and typically "becoming a productive member of society" is a major component. Not..."did well in calculus"

    It becomes increasingly more difficult to do our jobs as educators, as a result of "parents". I cannot even begin to explain the meetings, calls, emails etc... I receive on a daily basis in my role as an admin. It is frustrating and quite limiting
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    It becomes increasingly more difficult to do our jobs as educators, as a result of "parents". I cannot even begin to explain the meetings, calls, emails etc... I receive on a daily basis in my role as an admin. It is frustrating and quite limiting
    This is an incredibly major and important point being missed here. There are certain requirements that have to be met for both an environment being conducive to learning and a student being receptive to what's being taught. Sadly, the lack of parenting in place makes it extremely difficult for educators to perform their job, so now they have to adopt more responsibility for teaching kids what their parents should have taught them in order to perform their first task.
  

  
 

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