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I still don't know why this shocks everybody. Their has been crazy people since day one. Charles Manson, Canibals, Hitler, and those types have been around forever and always will.
Dont shock me so to speak, people should know what is terrorism is though
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normally i can watch those things and get past it or whatever. But that was the clearest viewing and sounding video ive seen yet, and its absolutly disgusting. Anyone who is the slightest bit squeemish will NOT want to watch this. The sounds are terrible.
yeah thats sick ****, you can hear him wheezing from his neck, ****ing narsty.
i watched this last night and, i dont know why it bothers me so much. usually gross stuff doesnt bother me but that was bad, i dont know if its because its an american or what it is.............
That's really disturbing. I don't know how anyone could do that to another human being. Those are some really sick bastards.
Yeah thats sick. I watched it w/o sound the first time, which was still really bad, and with sound its way way more worse.
A warning on the header of the video would be good. That was disturbing.
I agree, disturbing things usually don't bother me too bad...but that is unreal! That poor son of a bitch! I don't understand how someone could do that.
He didn't ****in deserve that!!!!
No, he didn't. He had a 13 year old daugher who may one day see this tape, a wife, a family. Personally I don't know how anyone can watch that and not want to nuke that whole area of the world.Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
It could all be over by noon. Nuke the bastards and they get to go see Allah. It's a win win situation for all.Originally Posted by CDB
Originally Posted by CDB
I feel exactly the same way..I could not watch that video but I did see the Nick Berg one and to ths day the images haunt me..I feel so enraged and angry,and actually beleive genecide of all arabs is justified,but I know in my heart that is wrong,but I guess that is what terrorism is supposed to do..
Definitely stay away from this one if the Berg one haunts you. This will stay with you for a long, long time. I disagree on the terrorism though. I think they want to use terror to scare us out of the region, but there's a cultural difference between us and them. They seem to bow to power and authority, while American's get pissed off by power and authority. Think about it, we don't want our government telling us what to do even in the rare case where it's right. We had a revolution and one the kick offs was that the government was taxing our breakfast drink.Originally Posted by MaDmaN
I was against the war at the beginning, still would have preferred we didn't go in, but honestly can't come up with a coherent alternative. Now I just want to see the area reized and salted, or nuked and just train a cadre of special forces to drill for oil in a fallout zone. Anything to take these subhuman ****ers out at this point is fine by me.
It's sad but true. At this point it's us or them. I haven't seen 1 American Muslim stand up and talk or fight against the terrorists. If Islam is a peaceful religion they sure as hell aren't doing anything to prove that, quite the opposite actually. It's time to take the gloves off.Originally Posted by MaDmaN
Originally Posted by NPursuit
Agreed..Us or them,no other way IMO.
What I don't understand is, why don't these ****ers see that these beheadings are not going to make us pull out, we just don't work that way, and as you said it will actually trigger the opposite response.Originally Posted by CDB
These terroists keep hiding in significant religious places because they know we can't/won't come after them in them! The whole thing just seems soo damn political, right from the beginning (massive amount of media coverage, etc).
Anyways, thats my rant....I say carpet bomb the place!
I watched neither video. I just don't want the horrific nature of those acts to do further "damage" by sticking in my head forever, although that is in part a reflection of my own sensitivity.
What we're dealing with is a last gasp of tribal society, fearful of coming to terms with modernity. Sure, it could be cast as religious or economic or whatever, but it's really a culture clash. These feudal/tribal societies are resisting modernity tooth and nail; they prefer to kill their own sisters if they're suspected of pre-marital sex. Everywhere else this is considered barbaric, but somehow the fallout of our relativistic cultural consciousness has had an effect...look at us. We're afraid to say, "**** that, public stonings, beheadings, tribal ****s with 28 wives, none of this belongs in modern society."
However unfair people like to paint the forward march of civilization, the fact is that WalMart outcompeting a local deli or McDonalds marketing at religous sites (even though all of this is annoying and bothersome) is NOTHING like cutting someone's head off. Extreme leftists try to make all sorts of arguments that somehow these killings are justification for the "brutal" policies of America...well, I fail to see how this is true. Here in America we give you enough rope to tie a ladder or a noose, the rest is up to you. In most states, we don't even execute our most horrendous criminals.
Three other points.
1. Islam is the last of the Judaic faiths that hasn't undergone a top to bottom reformation. They have not squared religious dogma with modern scientific truths, nor the experience of life we have gained over the past 1000 years. This is a crucial element in the debate.
2. I also find it odd that there has not been a strong condemnation of these activities by the Muslim population. On the flipside, if someone like Jerry Falwell just makes an anti-gay comment, he's appologizing for weeks. Imagine if he actually punched a gay person for hitting on him. Now imagine he killed 2,000 gay people and Chrisitians didn't say anything to condemn him.
3. I would argue that the very nature of their world is bloodshed, and it forms the basis for their positions of leadership, both in terms of state, religion, AND family. When the only currency that holds value is blood, there is only one answer. I don't see how anyone can doubt this after watching this debacle unfold. Bush may have moved into action early, might have gone after the wrong targets, may possibly have been too confident, but what he really did was expose a situation that has been percolating, ready to explode, for decades. Look at the savegery these people commit against THEMSELVES! They blow up their own oilfields. They destroy/loot/rob/murder their own people when a bigger bully isn't there threatening to do it to them.
Lastly, at this juncture I'm feeling that "nuke them into nothingness" urge daily...part of me says "Why do we spend money on such weapons?--When is there a better time to use them?--How many more innocent people have to be beheaded on video before we stop playing nice guy and start taking out the big guns?"
There is only one word that comes to mind...<appologize in advance, mods>