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NSA Whistleblower: Snowden Never Had Access to the JUICIEST Documents



by Washington's Blog | June 8, 2014

NSA whistleblower Russel Tice was a key source in the 2005 New York Times report that blew the lid off the Bush administration’s use of warrantless wiretapping.

Tice told PBS and other media that the NSA is spying on – and blackmailing – top government officials and military officers, including Supreme Court Justices, highly-ranked generals, Colin Powell and other State Department personnel, and many other top officials:



He says the NSA started spying on President Obama when he was a candidate for Senate:



Many of Tice’s allegations have been confirmed by other government whistleblowers. And see this.

Washington’s Blog called Tice to find out more about what he saw when he was at NSA.

RUSSELL TICE: We now know that NSA was wiretapping [Senator] Frank Church and another Senator. [That has been confirmed.]

And that got out by accident. All the information the NSA had back then – and probably many other senators and important people too, back in the 70s – they shredded and they destroyed all of that evidence. As much as they could find, they destroyed it all. By accident, something popped up 40 years later.

And, in fact, they were asked 40 years ago whether NSA had bugged Congress. And, of course, they lied. They lied through their teeth.

NSA Has Hidden Its Most Radical Surveillance Operations … Even from People Like Snowden Who Had General “Code Word” Clearance

WASHINGTON’S BLOG: Glenn Greenwald – supposedly, in the next couple of days or weeks – is going to disclose, based on NSA documents leaked by Snowden, that the NSA is spying on all sorts of normal Americans … and that the spying is really to crush dissent. [Background here, here and here.]

Does Snowden even have documents which contain the information which you’ve seen?

RUSSELL TICE: The answer is no.

WASHINGTON’S BLOG: So you saw handwritten notes. And what Snowden was seeing were electronic files …?

RUSSELL TICE: Think of it this way. Remember I told you about the NSA doing everything they could to make sure that the information from 40 years ago – from spying on Frank Church and Lord knows how many other Congressman that they were spying on – was hidden?

Now do you think they’re going to put that information into Powerpoint slides that are easy to explain to everybody what they’re doing?

They would not even put their own NSA designators on the reports [so that no one would know that] it came from the NSA. They made the reports look like they were Humint (human intelligence) reports. They did it to hide the fact that they were NSA and they were doing the collection. That’s 40 years ago. [The NSA and other agencies are still doing "parallel construction", "laundering" information to hide the fact that the information is actually from mass NSA surveillance.]

Now, what NSA is doing right now is that they’re taking the information and they’re putting it in a much higher security level. It’s called “ECI” – Exceptionally Controlled Information – and it’s called the black program … which I was a specialist in, by the way.

I specialized in black world – DOD and IC (Intelligence Community) – programs, operations and missions … in “VRKs”, “ECIs”, and “SAPs”, “STOs”. SAP equals Special Access Program. It’s highly unlikely Mr. Snowden had any access to these. STO equals Special Technical Operations It’s highly unlikely Mr. Snowden had any access to these.

Now in that world – the ECI/VRK world – everything in that system is classified at a higher level and it has its own computer systems that house it. It’s totally separate than the system which Mr. Snowden was privy to, which was called the “JWICS”: Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System. The JWICS system is what everybody at NSA has access to. Mr Snowden had Sys Admin [systems administrator] authority for the JWICS.

And you still have to have TS/SCI clearance [i.e. Top Secret/ Sensitive Compartmented Information - also known as “code word” - clearance] to get on the JWICS. But the ECI/VRK systems are much higher[levels of special compartmentalized clearance] than the JWICS. And you have to be in the black world to get that [clearance].

ECI = Exceptionally Controlled Information. I do not believe Mr. Snowden had any access to these ECI controlled networks). VRK = Very Restricted Knowledge. I do not believe Mr. Snowden had any access to these VRK controlled networks.

These programs typically have, at the least, a requirement of 100 year or until death, ’till the person first being “read in” [i.e. sworn to secrecy as part of access to the higher classification program] can talk about them. [As an interesting sidenote, the Washington Times reported in 2006 that – when Tice offered to testify to Congress about this illegal spying – he was informed by the NSA that the Senate and House intelligence committees were not cleared to hear such information.]

It’s very compartmentalized and – even with stuff that they had – you might have something at NSA, that there’s literally 40 people at NSA that know that it’s going on in the entire agency.

When the stuff came out in the New York Times [the first big spying story, which broke in 2005] – and I was a source of information for the New York Times – that’s when President Bush made up that nonsense about the “terrorist surveillance program.” By the way, that never existed. That was made up.
There was no such thing beforehand. It was made up … to try to placate the American people.

The NSA IG (Inspector General) – who was not cleared for this – all of a sudden is told he has to do an investigation on this; something he has no information or knowledge of.

So what they did, is they took a few documents and they downgraded [he classification level of the documents] – just a few – and gave them to them to placate this basic whitewash investigation.

Snowden’s Failure To Understand the Most Important Documents

RUSSELL TICE: Now, if Mr. Snowden were to find the crossover, it would be those documents that were downgraded to the NSA’s IG.

The stuff that I saw looked like a bunch of alphanumeric gobbledygook. Unless you have an analyst to know what to look for – and believe me, I think that what Snowden’s done is great – he’s not an intelligence analyst. So he would see something like that, and he wouldn’t know what he’s looking at.

But that would be “the jewels”. And the key is, you wouldn’t know it’s the jewels unless you were a diamond miner and you knew what to look for. Because otherwise, there’s a big lump of rock and you don’t know there’s a diamond in there.

I worked special programs. And the way I found out is that I was working on a special operation, and I needed information from NSA … from another unit.

And when I went to that unit and I said “I need this information”, and I dealt with [satellite spy operations], and I did that in the black world. I was a special operations officer. I would literally go do special missions that were in the black world where I would travel overseas and do spooky stuff.

Cheney Was Running the Show

WASHINGTON’S BLOG: You said in one of your interviews that Dick Cheney ordered the intercepts that you found in the burn bags [the bags of documents which were slated to be destroyed because they were so sensitive].

Is that right … and if so, how do you know that?

RUSSELL TICE: I did not know one way or the other until I talked to a very senior person at NSA who – much later – wanted to have a meeting with me.
And we had a covert, clandestine style meeting. And that’s when this individual told me that the whole thing was being directed and was coming from the vice president’s office … Cheney, through his lawyer David Addington.

WASHINGTON’S BLOG: It sounds like it wasn’t going through normal routes? It’s not like Cheney or Addington made formal requests to the NSA … through normal means?

RUSSELL TICE: No, not normal at all. All on the sly … all “sneaky pete” under the table, in the evening when most NSA employees are gone for the day. This is all being done in the evenings … between like 7 [at night] and midnight.

NSA Is Spying On CONTENT as Well as Metadata

WASHINGTON’S BLOG: And from what you and others have said, it’s content as well as metadata?

RUSSELL TICE: Of course it is. Of course. [Background. But see this.]

NSA Spying On Journalists, Congress, Admirals, Lawyers …

RUSSELL TICE: In 2009, I told [reporters] that they were going after journalists and news organizations and reporters and such.

I never read text of Congressman’s conversations. What I had was information – sometimes hand-written – of phone numbers of Congressmen, their wives, their children, their staffers, their home numbers, their cellphone numbers, their phone numbers of their residence back in Oregon or whatever state they’re from, and their little offices back in their state.

Or an Admiral and his wife, and his kids and his staffers …

The main thing I saw more than anything else were lawyers and law firms. I saw more lawyers or law firms being wiretapped than anything else.

These are the phone numbers I saw written. And then I would see those numbers incorporated into those lists with the columns of information about the phone number, and the serial number and the banks of recorders and digital converters and the data storage devices. I could see handwritten phone numbers and notes, sometimes with names, sometimes not.

Snowden and Greenwald’s Whistleblowing Was Done In the Right Way

RUSSELL TICE: If Mr. Snowden would have had access to VRK, ECI, SAP, STO (and a few others that I will not mention here), and he released them en masse to the press, I would volunteer to shoot him as a traitor myself.

But this is not what he did.

He gave up JWICS info that he insisted be vetted for sources and methods, and true damage to national security. Mr. Greenwald and company should be congratulated on the restraint that they have shown with the JWICS documentation that they have in hand via Mr. Snowden.

Postscript: When Tice started blowing the whistle on NSA mass surveillance in the early 2000s, the NSA all of a sudden decided that Tice was “crazy”. As Tice told us:

For many years, I was the only NSA whistleblower in public.

And what they did is call me in – 9 months after my routine psychological evaluation – which I passed with flying colors, like every other one I’ve had in my entire career, passed with flying colors.

They called me in for an “emergency” psychological evaluation, and they declared me nuts.

I am a fairly good judge of character, and I found Tice to be humorous, self-deprecating in a healthy and light-hearted way, and consistent on the facts. Tice talked about how he was a pretty darn good football player in junior college, but no star athlete. He talked about how one reporter tried to make him out to be James Bond with leading man looks, and he thought that was ridiculous. We shared some normal “guy talk” about women. Tice has a little anger at the way the NSA tried to whitewash the mass surveillance that he uncovered (wouldn’t you be?), but he wasn’t enraged or over-the-top. Tice is also a patriotic American, not a subversive. Specifically, we spent a long time talking about the importance of the Constitution and the rule of law. In other words, Tice seems “oriented to reality”, completely sane, normal, ethical and bright to me.

And the following facts are more important than my personal impression:

- Many of Tice’s allegations have been confirmed by Snowden and other government whistleblowers. And see this
- Soviet leaders were famous for throwing dissidents into psychiatric wards. Unfortunately, the same thing sometimes happens in modern America
Given the way that the NSA has been repeatedly caught in lies about its surveillance programs – and the way that it has attacked whisteblowers – I believe Tice over the NSA.

of course the nsa spying is to squash dissent....

those chinese had real balls to protest like that against their government...

americans are more interested in the lastest smart phone to care about what the government is doing.....take away american's cell phones, now that might get them pissed, lol.

[ax1]

of course the nsa spying is to squash dissent....

those chinese had real balls to protest like that against their government...

americans are more interested in the lastest smart phone to care about what the government is doing.....take away american's cell phones, now that might get them pissed, lol.

China today is very different than 1989....and the government is very prepared to squash any protest that is within public view such as Tienanmen Square. Its very difficult to pull that off again and have a mass gathering such as 89.

I should turn this into a iPhone 6 rumors thread, after all its around the corner and will effect everyone's life and well being from then on, lol.

[thebigt]

China today is very different than 1989....and the government is very prepared to squash any protest that is within public view such as Tienanmen Square. Its very difficult to pull that off again and have a mass gathering such as 89.

I should turn this into a iPhone 6 rumors thread, after all its around the corner and will effect everyone's life and well being from then on, lol.

the u.s learned from tienamen square also....dissent will be very hard to organize with the government monitoring communications!!!

[ax1]

CNN Says Liberty Movement More Threatening than Al-Qaeda

Jerad Miller exploited to jumpstart rightwing extremist meme

by Kurt Nimmo | Infowars.com | June 10, 2014


“The zealotry of the far, far right fringe… and Alex Jones is unbowed.”

CNN, formerly under the control of the Army’s Fourth Psychological Operations Group, has jumped on the shooting in Las Vegas to kick start the rightwing extremist meme. The narrative has languished since the Department of Homeland Security backed off characterizing Americans who disagree with the establishment as domestic terrorists.

“The attack in Vegas is far from the only incident of violence by the American far right,” writes Peter Bergen, billed as CNN’s national security analyst.

“According to data collected by the New America Foundation, right-wing extremists have killed 37 people in 16 violent incidents, in the United States since the 9/11 attacks. That number is more than the 21 people killed by militants motivated by al-Qaeda’s ideology in the United States in the post-9/11 era.”

Before unpacking this biased statement, we should note that the New American Foundation is a globalist think tank lorded over by Eric Schmidt of Google and funded by George Soros and the State Department.

In addition, the CIA’s Ford Foundation, Citigroup, Carnegie, USAID, Time-Warner and a potpourri of globalist foundations support the organization. Its board of directors features the neocon Francis Fukuyama and the anti-Constitution globalist Fareed Zakaria.

First and foremost, CNN, in no uncertain terms, insists “rightwing extremism” is a threat more lethal than al-Qaeda, the foreign terror group created by the CIA and Pakistani intelligence and currently thriving thanks to Saudi Arabia and Qatar.


SPLC: Liberty movement “rhetoric” leads to murder of police officers.

Bergen does not provide a source for this claim, although, further along in his op-ed points to the usual suspect, the Southern Poverty Law Center. Following the SPLC narrative, he cites the shooting at the Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City and one at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin as examples of “rightwing” violence.

Bergen parades a melange of psychos – Frazier Glenn Cross, Wade Michael Page, Scott Roeder and three demented gunmen from the so-called Minutemen American Defense – as primary examples of the sort of ideologically-driven violence that portends a more serious threat to America than Osama bin Laden and his trained (by the U.S. military) alleged hijackers.

According to Bergen and his globalist handlers at the New American Foundation, the corporate media mistakenly concentrates on jihadist violence while downplaying violence committed by individuals who are portrayed as rightwing extremists.

“Despite the history of deadly violence by individuals motivated by political ideologies other than that of al Qaeda, it is jihadist violence that continues to dominate the news and the attention of policy makers. Some of this is quite understandable,” he writes and then references 9/11, the event conclusively blamed by the state on al-Qaeda, the terror group named after a database, despite a yawning lack of conclusive evidence.

A “disparity” of establishment news coverage based on the ideological agenda of the SPLC and its partner, the Department of Homeland Security, has undermined the federal stool pigeon program, “see something, say something,” according to Bergen and Las Vegas Sheriff Kevin McMahill.

“Moreover, killings like the ones of the two police officers in Las Vegas on Sunday demonstrate the need to move beyond the view that the only threat of terrorism or extremist violence comes from radicalized Muslims,” writes Bergen.

In fact, non-ideological violence – murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, etc. – poses a more serious threat to society than “rightwing extremism,” but delving into its root cause does not serve the ideological agenda of the New American Foundation, George Soros, the Ford Foundation, Citibank, et al.

Jerad Miller and his poor, unfortunate brainwashed young wife, despite their murderous rampage, are hardly reason enough to call for a recommencement of a Justice Department task force on domestic terrorism, a task force “focused on anti-government plots and racial violence.” The conflation of “anti-government” and “racial,” of course, is not coincidental – it is the cardinal tenet of the Obama administration and serves to discredit and demonize all who criticize the establishment.

Eric Holder’s refurbished investigation into “rightwing extremism,” as exemplified by the politics of Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin (according to a Missouri Information Analysis Center report compiled with the assistance of the DHS), will focus on the liberty movement and strive to connect it to white supremacy.


Bergen: Rightwingers kill people.

The momentary victory realized at the Bundy ranch in Nevada – heavily armed BLM agents backing down, wary of another Waco PR disaster – will not be allowed to stand unchallenged. The establishment will soon redouble its effort to neutralize any effective political opposition. An integral part of this effort is a concerted propaganda campaign designed to demonize and criminalize opponents. That’s where Peter Bergen and the New America Foundation propaganda machine come into play.

[thebigt]

it is amazing to me how much this country has changed in a few short years...technology once considered a good thing is going to be our downfall!!! the majority of americans have become passive sheep, they don't want to be told something if it means making a stand and risk is involved, imho

[ax1]

it is amazing to me how much this country has changed in a few short years...technology once considered a good thing is going to be our downfall!!! the majority of americans have become passive sheep, they don't want to be told something if it means making a stand and risk is involved, imho

They will stand up and risk their lives to save $20 bucks to buy cheap chinese child labor electronics on black friday.

[thebigt]

They will stand up and risk their lives to save $20 bucks to buy cheap chinese child labor electronics on black friday.

ironic, isn't it!!!

[ax1]

Immigration Shelter Photos: Feds Treat Illegal Aliens Better Than Veterans

While homeless vets wander the streets, Obama administration uses military bases to shelter illegal aliens




by Kit Daniels | Infowars.com | June 12, 2014

Exclusive photos of an illegal immigrant shelter on a military base in Texas emphasize how the Obama administration is quick to aid illegal aliens but not veterans, especially not the vets being horribly mistreated at VA hospitals or even the homeless vets struggling on the streets across America.

The Department of Health and Human Services is using the Hackney Training Complex on Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas to house nearly 2,000 minors who entered the country illegally, costing American taxpayers over $250 per child daily.

When we asked for an in-person interview, the base’s public information office stated that Lackland is not “directly involved” in the management of the immigration shelter and referred us to HHS representatives in Washington, D.C. who did not return our phone calls. The PIO also said that press access to the facility was not allowed because it wasn’t a designated “media day” in which reporters are allowed to listen to – but not film – a statement made to the press. Regardless, in the interest of the public we did our own investigation into the temporary housing of illegal aliens at Lackland.

The minors at the shelter range in age from teenagers to as young as five and spend time in the shelter playing basketball and singing songs, according to Infowars reporter SSG Joe Biggs, who was on the scene at the shelter.

“But one of the more interesting things is that we have illegal immigrants who are staying here on a military facility while homeless veterans are outside the gate with no shelter and no food,” he said. “These kids [on the other hand] are being flown in and brought in by the busload to be taken care of.”


A homeless Air Force veteran who is on the streets fending for himself. Thousands of vets are struggling to survive while the Obama administration uses military bases to feed and shelter illegal immigrants. Credit: yummy-porky / Flickr


Three food trailers from a local grocery store are parked right outside the shelter.

More to story at infowars: » Immigration Shelter Photos: Feds Treat Illegal Aliens Better Than Veterans Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

[thebigt]

you have to admit, obama is dedicated...he vowed to change this country

[ax1]

you have to admit, obama is dedicated...he vowed to change this country

Lol I have to go to the dentist, just broke my tooth after reading your post.

[ax1]

Leaked NYS Counter Terrorism Bulletin Warns Police of Impending ‘Far-Right Violence’

Bulletin warns of those who believe in "government gun confiscation"





Continued below........

...................Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada. The officers were responding to a report of a man armed with two rifles and wearing military-style camouflage when they were ambushed by Bourque.1 After the attack, Bourque evaded authorities until he was arrested – unarmed and without incident2 – on the morning of June 6th following an extensive manhunt. Canadian authorities report he had no criminal record.3

While Bourque’s motive for the attack remains unknown, it appears he held extremist anti-government beliefs – particularly against law enforcement. According to friends, Bourque underwent a transformation in the last year from a laid-back to an angry person. After moving out of his parents’ house last year he struggled to hold a job, turned to drugs, and became increasingly obsessed with guns (particularly the ongoing U.S. gun debate which has spilled over to a lesser degree to Canada) and abuses by police.4 This appears to be corroborated by his Facebook account which revealed “many posts with pro-gun photos and a few anti-police memes.”5

Incident #2: On the morning of Friday June 6th, Dennis Marx, 48, attempted to infiltrate the Forsyth County courthouse in Georgia but was intercepted by law enforcement. Marx was armed with an assault rifle, “an assortment of grenades,” body armor, and a gas mask. He also possessed a large quantity of ammunition, food, water, and flexible handcuffs implying he likely intended to seize hostages and engage in an extended standoff with law enforcement.6 Marx shot and wounded a sheriff’s deputy who is credited with preventing Marx from entering the building. Law enforcement officers from the surrounding area and inside the courthouse then engaged Marx in a three minute shootout resulting in his death.

Marx was scheduled to appear before a judge at the courthouse that morning on eleven felony drug and weapons charges.7 As to motive, Marx had long running issues with law enforcement and was a self-identified sovereign citizen.8

Incident #3: On Sunday June 8th, Jerad Miller, 31, and his wife Amanda Miller, 22, fatally shot two police officers in a Cici’s Pizza in Las Vegas, Nevada. After taking the officers’ weapons and fleeing the scene to a Wal-Mart across the street, Amanda Miller shot and killed a civilian

engaged the shooters in the back of the store where they had barricaded themselves. Both suspects were hit by police gunfire. Despite initial reports that Amanda Miller shot her husband as police closed in, it appears Jerad Miller was killed by police and Amanda Miller committed suicide.10 According to reporting, “The couple brought bags containing a shotgun, the officers’ handguns, two other handguns, 200 rounds of ammunition, knives, first aid supplies, camouflage clothing and MRE-style food into Wal-Mart.”11 This appears to indicate, like the Marx case, the Millers were preparing for a long standoff with police.

Evidence at the scene and further investigation revealed the Millers embraced a far right militia ideology. At the scene, the Millers draped a Gasden flag (“Don’t Tread on Me”) over one dead officer, left a swastika on the other, and a note that said, "This is the start of the revolution." While initial reporting of the swastika was interpreted as relating to white supremacist ideology, it appears it was meant to imply the police are Nazis, and the Millers do not appear to have subscribed to a white supremacist ideology. After entering Walmart, the shooters stated this was “the beginning of a revolution.” Both suspects reportedly often spoke about their anti-government ideas and desire to kill law enforcement. The Millers’ social media “centered on Second Amendment gun laws, government spying and drug laws” as well as contained numerous references to the impending need to use violence to support those causes.12 Jerad Miller had over a decade long criminal history in multiple states, including misdemeanor battery and drug trafficking.13

Implications for New York State (NYS)

According to data from the New America Foundation, thirty-seven (37) people have been killed in far right attacks in the U.S. since 9/11, most of which have taken place since 2008. This is in comparison to only twenty-one (21) people killed by jihadists.14 Another study by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) shows that far right extremists have been killing law enforcement at an increasing rate in recent years.15 While far right violence is often believed to be concentrated in the south and west, a study by the Countering Terrorism Center at West Point ranked New York State (NYS) second in number of far-right attacks nationwide.16

Since 2011, there have been ten submissions/tips to the NYSIC regarding anti-government related suspicious activity, two of which were adopted by the JTTF. The most recent tip from May 2014 is also the most relevant. The New York Mutual Assistance Group (NYMAG) – a statewide militia-type organization which actively trains in military combat tactics in NYS – had members leave for Clive Bundy’s ranch in Nevada last month to reportedly reinforce Bundy’s militia supporters during his standoff with the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) over unpaid cattle grazing fees. Jerad and Amanda Miller had also travelled to Bundy’s ranch in Nevada, although they were reportedly asked to leave for being too radical and due to Jerad’s criminal record.17

In both the Bourque and Miller cases, the perpetrators were concerned with common far right conspiracies involving government seizure of private firearms. With the passage of the NYSafe Act in January 2013, a growing number of far right extremists – particularly militia and sovereign citizens – may view NYS as a more attractive target in order to further their agenda. These extremists must be distinguished from law abiding citizens exercising their first and second amendment rights – namely extremists are those willing to use violence, rather than the democratic process, to further their cause.

Michael Brian Vanderboegh, a longtime militia member and founder of the III Percent Patriot Movement which was supported by Jerad and Amanda Miller, travelled to NYS at least once in 2013 to speak to the Liberty Oath Keepers meeting in Monticello, NY.18 The III Percent Patriots are a militia group comprised primarily of gun rights extremists who believe in the need to use violence against the government to prevent what they believe to be an impending seizure of all private firearms. The name derives from “an obscure, and not particularly accurate, Revolutionary War ‘statistic’ that claimed that only 3% of the American population during the Revolutionary War participated as combatants in the war.”19 The Oath Keepers is an organization composed of current and former military and law enforcement personnel who take a pledge to “not obey unconstitutional orders such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as enemy combatants.”20 There have been multiple observed instances of overlapping membership in the Oath Keepers and the III Percent Patriots, and the Oath Keepers’ founder has spoken supportively of the III Percent Patriot Movement.21

The recent attacks serve to highlight a trend of growing violence by far right extremists that is likely to continue in the near term. While attacks by lone offenders or small groups, common amongst far right extremists, are often difficult to detect and can occur with little or no warning, law enforcement should remain vigilant to any indicators or suspicious activity related to the persistent far right extremist threat. As always, observance of suspicious individuals and activities should immediately be reported to the New York State Intelligence Center - Counter Terrorism Center, Terrorism Tips Line at 1-866-SAFE-NYS (1-866-723-3697).

[thebigt]

it occurs to me that most of these rampages involving guns also involve mental illness...i guess it is a easier and cheaper way out to attack private gun ownership than attempt to deal with how out of control mental illness has become....

government motto:
when in doubt-deny and lie

[ax1]

it occurs to me that most of these rampages involving guns also involve mental illness...i guess it is a easier and cheaper way out to attack private gun ownership than attempt to deal with how out of control mental illness has become....

government motto:
when in doubt-deny and lie

And just about every one of them are on cocktails of doctor prescribed psychotropic drugs and are simply responding to the medication in a way the inserts warn of these types of side effects. The pharmaceutical funded dinosaur dying mainstream media and lobbied politicians dont dare touch this issue.

Anyways, who the fuq cares what happened in Canada? They tried real hard to to create 3 instances of violence against cops and pulled one from a foreign country?? The fact is 2013 has been the best year for cop safety, and although its unfortunate these events took place its something that for millions of years just goes with the job.

In the bulletin the terrorist group they are posting about specifically mention former military and law enforcement taking oath “not obey unconstitutional orders such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as enemy combatants.”

Now what the hell is wrong with that? Isnt that what our military and law enforcement take oath in? Taking oath to the Constitution is now officially right wing extremest ideology in New York State.

[thebigt]

And just about every one of them are on cocktails of doctor prescribed psychotropic drugs and are simply responding to the medication in a way the inserts warn of these types of side effects. The pharmaceutical funded dinosaur dying mainstream media and lobbied politicians dont dare touch this issue.

Anyways, who the fuq cares what happened in Canada? They tried real hard to to create 3 instances of violence against cops and pulled one from a foreign country?? The fact is 2013 has been the best year for cop safety, and although its unfortunate these events took place its something that for millions of years just goes with the job.

In the bulletin the terrorist group they are posting about specifically mention former military and law enforcement taking oath “not obey unconstitutional orders such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as enemy combatants.”

Now what the hell is wrong with that? Isnt that what our military and law enforcement take oath in? Taking oath to the Constitution is now officially right wing extremest ideology in New York State.

what good does it do for FORMER law enforcement/military personel to take this oath? i want to see active, current members taking this oath in public, if done in public i wonder what position the government would take?

[ax1]

what good does it do for FORMER law enforcement/military personel to take this oath? i want to see active, current members taking this oath in public, if done in public i wonder what position the government would take?

Like this dude?

[thebigt]

Like this dude?

I AM NOT A CROOK

[ax1]

I AM NOT A CROOK

Lol....

So on one hand, we have our officials take oath in public, and we know where that has gone.

On the second hand, homeland security is sending bulletins to NYS Law Enforcment to watch out for those people who follow the constitution, they are terrorists.

This country is just becoming soo sick.

[thebigt]

Lol....

So on one hand, we have our officials take oath in public, and we know where that has gone.

On the second hand, homeland security is sending bulletins to NYS Law Enforcment to watch out for those people who follow the constitution, they are terrorists.

This country is just becoming soo sick.

i have a vision of the day coming when people revolt....unfortunately i envision it to be something along the lines of the original terminator movie. i have long said that technology would be our downfall!!!

[rugger48]

This stinks because I have to wait 10 years to type LMAO at you 2.

[ax1]

Haven’t We Already Done Enough Damage in Iraq?

Same foreign policy “experts” who lied us into the Iraq war are now telling us we must re-invade Iraq



by Ron Paul
June 16, 2014

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In 2006, I invited the late General Bill Odom to address my Thursday Congressional luncheon group. Gen. Odom, a former NSA director, called the Iraq war “the greatest strategic disaster in American history,” and told the surprised audience that he could not understand why Congress had not impeached the president for pushing this disaster on the United States. History continues to prove the General’s assessment absolutely correct.

In September, 2002, arguing against a US attack on Iraq, I said the following on the House Floor:

No credible evidence has been produced that Iraq has or is close to having nuclear weapons. No evidence exists to show that Iraq harbors al Qaeda terrorists. Quite to the contrary, experts on this region recognize Hussein as an enemy of the al Qaeda and a foe to Islamic fundamentalism.

Unfortunately, Congress did not listen.

As we know, last week the second largest city in Iraq, Mosul, fell to the al-Qaeda allied Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). Last week an al-Qaeda that had not been in Iraq before our 2003 invasion threatened to move on the capitol, Baghdad, after it easily over-ran tens of thousands of Iraqi military troops.

The same foreign policy “experts” who lied us into the Iraq war are now telling us we must re-invade Iraq to deal with the disaster caused by their invasion! They cannot admit they were wrong about the invasion being a “cakewalk” that would pay for itself, so they want to blame last week’s events on the 2011 US withdrawal from Iraq. But the trouble started with the 2003 invasion itself, not the 2011 troop withdrawal. Anyone who understands cause and effect should understand this.

The Obama administration has said no option except for ground troops is off the table to help the Iraqi government in this crisis. We should not forget, however, that the administration does not consider Special Forces or the CIA to be “boots on the ground.” So we may well see Americans fighting in Iraq again.

It is also likely that the administration will begin shipping more weapons and other military equipment to the Iraqi army, in the hopes that they might be able to address the ISIS invasion themselves. After years of US training, costing as much as $20 billion, it is unlikely the Iraqi army is up to the task. Judging from the performance of the Iraqi military as the ISIS attacked, much of that money was wasted or stolen.

A big US government weapons transfer to Iraq will no doubt be favored by the US military-industrial complex, which stands to profit further from the Iraq meltdown. This move will also be favored by those in Washington who realize how politically unpopular a third US invasion of Iraq would be at home, but who want to “do something” in the face of the crisis. Shipping weapons may be an action short of war, but it usually leads to war. And as we have already seen in Iraq and Syria, very often these weapons fall into the hands of the al-Qaeda we are supposed to be fighting!

Because of the government’s foolish policy of foreign interventionism, the US is faced with two equally stupid choices: either pour in resources to prop up an Iraqi government that is a close ally with Iran, or throw our support in with al-Qaida in Iraq (as we have done in Syria). I say we must follow a third choice: ally with the American people and spend not one more dollar or one more life attempting to re-make the Middle East. Haven’t we have already done enough damage?

This post originally appeared at the Ron Paul Institute.

[thebigt]

if you think diplomacy in the middle east is bad now...just wait until hillary is elected and tries to negotiate with islamic radicals.

i can't believe that american feminist leaders aren't more outspoken against radical islam, along with gays and lesbians and of couse abortion rights activists it seems to me that american women would be the most effected by a surge in islam in this country....i doubt very much a sharia court would uphold roe v wade, lol.

[ax1]

if you think diplomacy in the middle east is bad now...just wait until hillary is elected and tries to negotiate with islamic radicals. i can't believe that american feminist leaders aren't more outspoken against radical islam, along with gays and lesbians and of couse abortion rights activists it seems to me that american women would be the most effected by a surge in islam in this country....i doubt very much a sharia court would uphold roe v wade, lol.

This is an endless game like a dog chasing its own tail. Remember, the CIA put Saddam in power....The CIA funded Bin Laden. The CIA is funding and arming "ISIS" the very group they financed to destroy Syria.

When CNN is preaching that "ISIS" is even too brutal for Al-queda you know they had to fabricate a new CIA boogeygroup since everyone found out Al-Queda is run and financed by the Pentagon/CIA. Im going to take a guess here based on how I observe things....Iran is somewhat aligned with the current Iraq goverment. ISIS is designed to restructure Iraq and have Saudi Arabia turn it into their command base in order to start a new Iraq/Iran war. We will see.

Hillary will be negotiating with Islamic radicals just fine by giving them great prices on weapons subsidized by USA tax dollars. Here is the dangerous thing with Hillary, you see now how everybody that criticisms Obama is a racist. The next 8 years if you criticize Hillary over her policy you just hate woman and are a sexist.

[thebigt]

This is an endless game. Remember, the CIA put Saddam in power....The CIA funded Bin Laden. The CIA is funding and arming "ISIS" the very group they financed to destroy Syria.

When CNN is preaching that "ISIS" is even too brutal for Al-queda you know they had to fabricated a new CIA boogeyman since everyone found out Al-Queda is run and financed by the Pentagon/CIA.

Im going to take a guess here based on how I observe things....Iran is somewhat aligned with the current Iraq goverment. ISIS is designed to restructure Iraq and have Saudi Arabia turn it into their command base in order to start a new Iraq/Iran war. We will see.

Hillary will be negotiating with Islamic radicals just fine by giving them great prices on weapons subsidized by USA tax dollars.

Here is the dangerous thing with Hillary, you see now how everybody that criticisms Obama is a racist. The next 8 years if you criticism Hillary over her policy you just hate woman and are a sexist.

oink oink!!!

[ax1]

oink oink!!!

Now this was exactly what Ive been thinking...

[thebigt]

Now this was exactly what Ive been thinking...

damn you, i WAS going to have bacon for breakfast.....